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Thanks for the useful information Bert. There are many pristine warbirds flying in the world. I had the pleasure to attend Lakeland's Sun n Fun in April last year, and I was amazed at what I saw there.
South Africa is definately in a position to develop the warbird market, as aviation enthusiasts all over the world can afford to come here due to the favorable exchange rate, and have fun in aircraft that would otherwise have become static displays.
Gunship is absolutely right about his philosophy with regards to the future of warbird operation in SA. We should commend those like Thunder City, Combat Zone, The Harvard Club & the Huey Extreme Club for initiating something for the aviation enthusiasts to do. The SACAA should also be commended for initiating the development of their program to make this all worthwhile.
South Africa is definately in a position to develop the warbird market, as aviation enthusiasts all over the world can afford to come here due to the favorable exchange rate, and have fun in aircraft that would otherwise have become static displays.
Gunship is absolutely right about his philosophy with regards to the future of warbird operation in SA. We should commend those like Thunder City, Combat Zone, The Harvard Club & the Huey Extreme Club for initiating something for the aviation enthusiasts to do. The SACAA should also be commended for initiating the development of their program to make this all worthwhile.
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I find it amazing that aviators in SA cannot take hands. I have read the threads posted on the site over and over, and it is as clear as daylight that Rotorhead started the thread on the 205 with the intention of rediculing the people who operate it. I was stationed in SA a long time ago, and flew once or twice for a helicopter operator when they were still based at the old Oceana Boat Club facility at Granger Bay. A Hughes 500 was then the flavour of the month. That was before the business was moved to the Waterfront I imagine.
Cape Town has so much to offer aviation wise, and I fail to understand why people in the industry can simply not get along, or leave each other and their affairs alone, and just get on with what they are doing in their own businesses. Why always be on the lookout to see what others are doing? Interfering with others people business is a recipe for failure. Instead of trying to establish what the others are doing, keep your eyes and ears open, mouth shut, and just get on with it.
I am currently working for an operator who operate 11 machines in a very competative market. There are at least 6 other companies in competition with us. We never redicule each other, never foulmouth each other, and are always willing and able to help each other. When there are crew rest periods, we all get together, go boating, fishing and have a lot of fun together. We don't fight, we don't argue, and we always support each other, yet we keep our flying business professional, and respect each other for that.
When are the South Africans going to learn? Aviation is a smart industry to be in, and I love my job and the industry. Maybe I should council a couple of you youngsters and teach you how to be tolerant of one another, respect one another, and work together with one another. Come on guys, I'm pretty sure that there is enough work for everyone out there. Stop the haggling, backstabbing and bull***** Get on with your jobs, and do yourselves proud in what you are doing in aviation.
Cape Town has so much to offer aviation wise, and I fail to understand why people in the industry can simply not get along, or leave each other and their affairs alone, and just get on with what they are doing in their own businesses. Why always be on the lookout to see what others are doing? Interfering with others people business is a recipe for failure. Instead of trying to establish what the others are doing, keep your eyes and ears open, mouth shut, and just get on with it.
I am currently working for an operator who operate 11 machines in a very competative market. There are at least 6 other companies in competition with us. We never redicule each other, never foulmouth each other, and are always willing and able to help each other. When there are crew rest periods, we all get together, go boating, fishing and have a lot of fun together. We don't fight, we don't argue, and we always support each other, yet we keep our flying business professional, and respect each other for that.
When are the South Africans going to learn? Aviation is a smart industry to be in, and I love my job and the industry. Maybe I should council a couple of you youngsters and teach you how to be tolerant of one another, respect one another, and work together with one another. Come on guys, I'm pretty sure that there is enough work for everyone out there. Stop the haggling, backstabbing and bull***** Get on with your jobs, and do yourselves proud in what you are doing in aviation.
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Rotorhead posted an extract from some radio show, where he said that Part 96 had not been promulgated.
I am wondering then why the CAA are allowing so many ZU aircraft to operate on a commercial basis in SA? NAC/Helicopters Unlimited are operating a ZU Puma on commercial work, and have done so for a long time. This particular machine, registered ZU-BRK has been flown for commercial gain in rescue operations, slinging operations, and the commanders of this particular machine are well known aviation personalities that are highly skilled and professional, and that would go for the maintenance of the machine as well. Yet, having it on the ZU register, does not necessitate maintenance like that on a ZS machine. The professionals that fly that machine, are safety conscious, just like the professionals that were involved in the flying of the Huey. So where does one draw the line? Maybe Rotorhead can explain why he never bothered to make a fuss of "the old boys" operating this machine, or why he never tried to stop the commercial operation thereof?
Furthermore, all you aviators out there, must bear in mind that the maintenance of this machine is controlled exactly the way the Huey's maintenance is controlled. So what makes the difference? Maybe its because that Puma is operating a long way away from the Waterfront Helipad?
Rotorhead's argument about the Huey and ZU aircraft are so filled with contradictions, its hard to understand the logic of this guy. Maybe Rotorhead should come out of the closet and identify himself, so that we know why this thread went the way it did.
I am wondering then why the CAA are allowing so many ZU aircraft to operate on a commercial basis in SA? NAC/Helicopters Unlimited are operating a ZU Puma on commercial work, and have done so for a long time. This particular machine, registered ZU-BRK has been flown for commercial gain in rescue operations, slinging operations, and the commanders of this particular machine are well known aviation personalities that are highly skilled and professional, and that would go for the maintenance of the machine as well. Yet, having it on the ZU register, does not necessitate maintenance like that on a ZS machine. The professionals that fly that machine, are safety conscious, just like the professionals that were involved in the flying of the Huey. So where does one draw the line? Maybe Rotorhead can explain why he never bothered to make a fuss of "the old boys" operating this machine, or why he never tried to stop the commercial operation thereof?
Furthermore, all you aviators out there, must bear in mind that the maintenance of this machine is controlled exactly the way the Huey's maintenance is controlled. So what makes the difference? Maybe its because that Puma is operating a long way away from the Waterfront Helipad?
Rotorhead's argument about the Huey and ZU aircraft are so filled with contradictions, its hard to understand the logic of this guy. Maybe Rotorhead should come out of the closet and identify himself, so that we know why this thread went the way it did.
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what did I miss....
right...oh, so thaaats what happened ...eheh
Gunns, thanks for the backup daar broer...
I have been otherwise engaged and have not had opportunity to browse this thread since my last posting, and boy, what a humdinger
soooo....let me try and extricate myself from the poo ('cause I like Hueys and would like a flip)
Francious Marais, sir...it seems that my posting, passionate as it was , has been misinterpreted by all the various aviator's sunglasses our fellow pilots and enthusiasts have read it through. I did go off, big time...'cause what I saw happening was another operator that flicks off the law, hes employees, hes passengers and displays appalling lack of judgement, moral and ethical values and airmanship.
It seems that you might not actually be in this category. Since I am not based in my beloved Cape Town but in a galaxy far far away....I am not able to go peek around and see for myself whats up.
If this is indeed the case, that you are in the right. Operating within the law, and with common sense and good airmanship, then sir, I do aplogise if my posting, IN YOUR CASE, was unfounded.
I have recently been to the USA, my first visit and was driving my gf crazy by not wanting to leave the Smithsonian, the aircraft graveyard, Pima Air & space museum etc etc ....
What I'm saying is that it would be fantastic to see these old warbirds, in the metal, flying around my town. For your entrepeneurial spirit and in a feeling of aviators cameraderie, let all shake hands , 'cause were all friends, were all brothers....sniff
Ok , so can i get my flip in the Huey now
Gunns, thanks for the backup daar broer...
I have been otherwise engaged and have not had opportunity to browse this thread since my last posting, and boy, what a humdinger
soooo....let me try and extricate myself from the poo ('cause I like Hueys and would like a flip)
Francious Marais, sir...it seems that my posting, passionate as it was , has been misinterpreted by all the various aviator's sunglasses our fellow pilots and enthusiasts have read it through. I did go off, big time...'cause what I saw happening was another operator that flicks off the law, hes employees, hes passengers and displays appalling lack of judgement, moral and ethical values and airmanship.
It seems that you might not actually be in this category. Since I am not based in my beloved Cape Town but in a galaxy far far away....I am not able to go peek around and see for myself whats up.
If this is indeed the case, that you are in the right. Operating within the law, and with common sense and good airmanship, then sir, I do aplogise if my posting, IN YOUR CASE, was unfounded.
I have recently been to the USA, my first visit and was driving my gf crazy by not wanting to leave the Smithsonian, the aircraft graveyard, Pima Air & space museum etc etc ....
What I'm saying is that it would be fantastic to see these old warbirds, in the metal, flying around my town. For your entrepeneurial spirit and in a feeling of aviators cameraderie, let all shake hands , 'cause were all friends, were all brothers....sniff
Ok , so can i get my flip in the Huey now
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Skaz, you are welcome to your flip in the Huey anytime. I also don't bear any grudges. You responded to a story that was posted by an individual who was out to slate the machineand its people, due to the competition it created in the helicopter market in Cape Town. As you have noticed, Rotorhead slated the machine and the people involved with it, but never referred to all the other ZU machines operating in SA. He has gone rather silent. (I dont believe he's away, as I saw him on the helipad on Saturday)
When we acquired this heli, the intention was to put it to good use, as we identified a place for it in the market. Our company has often lead where others have followed. When we rented office space on the Waterfront quay side and got golf carts to shuttle pax up to the helipad, all the other operators followed. When we saw a gap in the heli warbird market, specially a 15 seater, and started using it, the rest of the operators went yellow, green, and whatever. I don't care what Rotorhead says, he's jealous of the success of the Huey. (At this time, he has also not yet responded as to why he particularly singled out this ZU machine, whilst there are so many others.)
We are all adults, responsible people, and are definately very safety conscious. At no time did we have the intention to operate a piece of scrap, thereby jeopardizing our own safety. The machine has been professionally restored, is in good working order, and is maintained by professional people on a registered maintenance program. Surely, the pro's that have been involved with this project since its inception, would not jeopardize their own safety or reputation by getting involved with a machine that is not airworthy, nor safe or conforms to the regulatory safety requirements. The machine has flown more than 75 hours to date, incident free, and just for the record, its a great hit in Cape Town. We keep a visitors & members book, and we yet have to see a negative comment or remark. Every one is happy, and so are we. The only negativity we have encountered to date, has been created by our opposition. Why? Because we are doing something successfully that they have never thought of, and now that it is a success, and they have no part in it, now its wrong, unsafe, idiots flying the machine, unairworthy, no flotation gear, an accident waiting to happen and all things negative they have said on radio, told to the press etc, all because of the severe dose of green fever.
I'm sure that you as a professional aviator, would clearly understand the opposition's train of thought? I just find it amazing, that none of the opposition guys have ever come along to chat with us, or to congratulate us, or to wish us well in our endeavours or to run us down to our faces. I most certainly don't have a problem with positive critisicm, but these guys have never had the courage to critisize us directly. Its always been done through either third parties or foreign mediums. We don't bother them, we don't interfere with anyone or their business for that matter, nor do we continuously report them on the wrongs they get up to. We mind our own business and just get on with it. So thats the way it is.
Pop in when you're next around, and you can see for yourself what we do and how we do it. You're seat is reserved!!!
When we acquired this heli, the intention was to put it to good use, as we identified a place for it in the market. Our company has often lead where others have followed. When we rented office space on the Waterfront quay side and got golf carts to shuttle pax up to the helipad, all the other operators followed. When we saw a gap in the heli warbird market, specially a 15 seater, and started using it, the rest of the operators went yellow, green, and whatever. I don't care what Rotorhead says, he's jealous of the success of the Huey. (At this time, he has also not yet responded as to why he particularly singled out this ZU machine, whilst there are so many others.)
We are all adults, responsible people, and are definately very safety conscious. At no time did we have the intention to operate a piece of scrap, thereby jeopardizing our own safety. The machine has been professionally restored, is in good working order, and is maintained by professional people on a registered maintenance program. Surely, the pro's that have been involved with this project since its inception, would not jeopardize their own safety or reputation by getting involved with a machine that is not airworthy, nor safe or conforms to the regulatory safety requirements. The machine has flown more than 75 hours to date, incident free, and just for the record, its a great hit in Cape Town. We keep a visitors & members book, and we yet have to see a negative comment or remark. Every one is happy, and so are we. The only negativity we have encountered to date, has been created by our opposition. Why? Because we are doing something successfully that they have never thought of, and now that it is a success, and they have no part in it, now its wrong, unsafe, idiots flying the machine, unairworthy, no flotation gear, an accident waiting to happen and all things negative they have said on radio, told to the press etc, all because of the severe dose of green fever.
I'm sure that you as a professional aviator, would clearly understand the opposition's train of thought? I just find it amazing, that none of the opposition guys have ever come along to chat with us, or to congratulate us, or to wish us well in our endeavours or to run us down to our faces. I most certainly don't have a problem with positive critisicm, but these guys have never had the courage to critisize us directly. Its always been done through either third parties or foreign mediums. We don't bother them, we don't interfere with anyone or their business for that matter, nor do we continuously report them on the wrongs they get up to. We mind our own business and just get on with it. So thats the way it is.
Pop in when you're next around, and you can see for yourself what we do and how we do it. You're seat is reserved!!!
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Gatkruip SKAZ ...
Now SKAZ, if I have ever seen g@tkruip at it's best ... this was it .. but I must admit you won yourself a flip bru
I must just add this : we are 34 SA's here where I am and we are split in 4 groups (we worked that out last night). I am the unofficial .. (official in the new SA) ambassador and I have tried my best to get everybody together ... to NO avail .. the miners will not talk to each other - over and out ! The security guys - well they bliksem each other on Fri night and make opposite friends ... flippen crazy ... but I am trying Sout Africans ARE different ...
Francois, I am sure you know ROTORHEAD as you saw him Saturday and obviously through his posting trend as well.
A suggestion : Walk accross and shake hands - let's shake this industry and rock and roll ... we can ALL make money and see the sun coming up... for all .. ahmen
I must just add this : we are 34 SA's here where I am and we are split in 4 groups (we worked that out last night). I am the unofficial .. (official in the new SA) ambassador and I have tried my best to get everybody together ... to NO avail .. the miners will not talk to each other - over and out ! The security guys - well they bliksem each other on Fri night and make opposite friends ... flippen crazy ... but I am trying
Sout Africans ARE different ...Francois, I am sure you know ROTORHEAD as you saw him Saturday and obviously through his posting trend as well.
A suggestion : Walk accross and shake hands - let's shake this industry and rock and roll ... we can ALL make money and see the sun coming up... for all .. ahmen
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Working together
This is an interesting topic.
South Africans do not and will not work together as we are very jealous of anyone elses success. We will always see it as someone taking what should be ours away from us.
A classic example is the "Boer War " even then we could not work together and when you got the bliksem in with the Commandant, you walked away and found someone else to go and fight with.
No wonder we lost.
It is in our blood.
But there are some of us who keep trying and maybe the "take hands "attitude will prevail. There is a place in the sun for all. Especially in Aviation.
South Africans do not and will not work together as we are very jealous of anyone elses success. We will always see it as someone taking what should be ours away from us.
A classic example is the "Boer War " even then we could not work together and when you got the bliksem in with the Commandant, you walked away and found someone else to go and fight with.
No wonder we lost.
It is in our blood.
But there are some of us who keep trying and maybe the "take hands "attitude will prevail. There is a place in the sun for all. Especially in Aviation.
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I do not want to once again hi-jack the thread but it seems like we all made our point. Although I personally feel ROTORHEAD started the thread and he must end it. (right or wrong) 
I read AGAIN through it all and it seems that the licencing part is the most worrying to ROTORHEAD. I do not wanna play judge as I have very limited experience on licences ... told the African Forum before .. mine lapsed in the 70's when General Motors was still Corporal Motors and safari suits was the introduced in disco's :-<
I just want to make one more point about history of the "boer" nation and that includes the souties .. although we had major changes in the past 10 years we never had to go through a civil war ... we might be VERY jealous about each other but we are very lenient and forgiving as well.
My bit for the day .. and while I have your attention ... go to the African Aviation Future Thread and make your point - how can we inprove Aviation in Africa ... the road ahead
Have a nice, peaceful and accident free day now
I read AGAIN through it all and it seems that the licencing part is the most worrying to ROTORHEAD. I do not wanna play judge as I have very limited experience on licences ... told the African Forum before .. mine lapsed in the 70's when General Motors was still Corporal Motors and safari suits was the introduced in disco's :-<
I just want to make one more point about history of the "boer" nation and that includes the souties .. although we had major changes in the past 10 years we never had to go through a civil war ... we might be VERY jealous about each other but we are very lenient and forgiving as well.
My bit for the day .. and while I have your attention ... go to the African Aviation Future Thread and make your point - how can we inprove Aviation in Africa ... the road ahead
Have a nice, peaceful and accident free day now
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If Rotorhead is concerned about the licencing, then he should indicate clearly what licensing? Is he referring to the aircraft licensing, or the crew licencing.
Most flying or parachute clubs in SA operate under Part 91. When people join a parachute club for instance, they pay a joining fee. Then they pay to receive a day's worth of parachute training. After they have received their day's training, and their instructor believes that they are fit for their first jump, they board normally a club aircraft, flown by a club member who normally is a private pilot. The jumpers then pay a couple of hundred bucks to be taken up in the club aircraft, flown by a PPL. The club receives the money, (for good cause) and the PPL pilot does not get paid. He flies the aircraft for fun. So money changes hands. People board the club aircraft and pay money to do so. I know of a parachute club that used to be based in Pretoria that operated to Turbine powered aircraft that used to take up 11 or 12 jumpers at a time. Big business. PPL's flew those aircraft for the club, and although they did not get paid, the club made the money, because someone (like clubmembers) must pay towards the aircraft.
When people join a flying club, they normally join it with the intention to do some flying training. People however, can become "non flying members" or "country members" These guys, occassionally may hire a club aircraft, flown by a club member PPL pilot, who takes them on a joy ride. Again money changes hands. Someone pays for the rental of the aircraft and the money goes to the club.
Up to now, the CAA has not interferd with the way parachute and flying clubs work. Therefore one must assume that the way it is being done, is exactly in line with their regulations and therefore completely "kosher".
Sir Cumference mentioned in one of his threads that the operators of the Huey Extreme Club most likely identified a loophole to operate their machine in a club system, and therefore they were getting away with it. Maybe that is so!
There are many ways to utilize ZU aircraft. There are the warbird people, the microlight people doing cropspraying, and probably many other ways like using homebuilts or experimentals for ab initio flight training and or conversions.
The CAA must have borne this in mind when they developed Part 96, which is the commercial use of non type certified aircraft. I understand that the SACAA planned the development of Part 96 in consultation with ICAO, and is apparently the pioneers on the commercial use of non type certified aircraft.
I am also pretty sure that the CAA evaluated the implimentation of this Part very carefully through constructive dialogue with role players in the industry, and knowing the industry, they would never have consented to the implimentation of such an act, if they themselves would not have been happy with it. So lets see how its all going to pan out.
Most flying or parachute clubs in SA operate under Part 91. When people join a parachute club for instance, they pay a joining fee. Then they pay to receive a day's worth of parachute training. After they have received their day's training, and their instructor believes that they are fit for their first jump, they board normally a club aircraft, flown by a club member who normally is a private pilot. The jumpers then pay a couple of hundred bucks to be taken up in the club aircraft, flown by a PPL. The club receives the money, (for good cause) and the PPL pilot does not get paid. He flies the aircraft for fun. So money changes hands. People board the club aircraft and pay money to do so. I know of a parachute club that used to be based in Pretoria that operated to Turbine powered aircraft that used to take up 11 or 12 jumpers at a time. Big business. PPL's flew those aircraft for the club, and although they did not get paid, the club made the money, because someone (like clubmembers) must pay towards the aircraft.
When people join a flying club, they normally join it with the intention to do some flying training. People however, can become "non flying members" or "country members" These guys, occassionally may hire a club aircraft, flown by a club member PPL pilot, who takes them on a joy ride. Again money changes hands. Someone pays for the rental of the aircraft and the money goes to the club.
Up to now, the CAA has not interferd with the way parachute and flying clubs work. Therefore one must assume that the way it is being done, is exactly in line with their regulations and therefore completely "kosher".
Sir Cumference mentioned in one of his threads that the operators of the Huey Extreme Club most likely identified a loophole to operate their machine in a club system, and therefore they were getting away with it. Maybe that is so!
There are many ways to utilize ZU aircraft. There are the warbird people, the microlight people doing cropspraying, and probably many other ways like using homebuilts or experimentals for ab initio flight training and or conversions.
The CAA must have borne this in mind when they developed Part 96, which is the commercial use of non type certified aircraft. I understand that the SACAA planned the development of Part 96 in consultation with ICAO, and is apparently the pioneers on the commercial use of non type certified aircraft.
I am also pretty sure that the CAA evaluated the implimentation of this Part very carefully through constructive dialogue with role players in the industry, and knowing the industry, they would never have consented to the implimentation of such an act, if they themselves would not have been happy with it. So lets see how its all going to pan out.
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yeehaa ...cyclic,um..collective..whopwhopwhop...hover...haha..
Francious, thank you, rest assured next time I'm in Cpt I'll be standing on your helipad admiring the UH1 before I have even tasted my Ma se melktert en gemmerbier
really cool these new smilies...eh
Gunns, ek mag maar gatkruip
Francious, thank you, rest assured next time I'm in Cpt I'll be standing on your helipad admiring the UH1 before I have even tasted my Ma se melktert en gemmerbier
really cool these new smilies...eh
Gunns, ek mag maar gatkruip
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A Kind Request
Huey fan, Great post.
Gentleman a kind request :
Especially the "newer" guys. Huey Fan, Francois, Tom and so on - Please activate your PM (Private messages) - it is great and works exactly like the name implies. Please it makes life much easier sometimes.
Chees and brgds
Gunsss
Gentleman a kind request :
Especially the "newer" guys. Huey Fan, Francois, Tom and so on - Please activate your PM (Private messages) - it is great and works exactly like the name implies. Please it makes life much easier sometimes.
Chees and brgds
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Yessir Capt Gunnss, I will activate my mail, just so that you can send me some private mail. Then we can compare notes on the Russian tools we fly. I'm amazed that you have not gotten your main rotor gearbox yet. We are getting good service & spares. US$ 7000 per hour huh? Must be one of those things that the gooks used up in the Zambezi Province in Moz from 1977 onwards huh, stub wings and all? Betcha I'm right?????
Rotorhead must be some super *******hole to post a thread alledging that a professionally licenced helicopter company would be fly machines with timex parts fitted to it without being absolutely sure that it is indeed the case. What kind of guy posts a rumour, based on rumour about things like that? The way I see it, its a direct dig at the Huey Company and its people, and I would most certainly regard it as defamatory. If thats not going for the Huey Company and its people, then I don't know.
Surely the right thing to do would be to establish the facts first, then report it to the CAA, and let them deal with it, instead of trying to play Mr. Bigshot by posting a thread based on rumours. Its a very childish thing to do, and absolutely indicates what type of person you are dealing with here. I'm beginning to wonder why this guy has not identified himself, or responded to previous threads. Maybe we should all try to establish who he is, check out his bona fides, and really determine whether this guy is serious about aviation, or whether his mindset is more tuned into his personal ego.
Come on Rotorhead, put your ego in your pocket and come up with something a bit more sensible and entertaining, Please!!!
Rotorhead must be some super *******hole to post a thread alledging that a professionally licenced helicopter company would be fly machines with timex parts fitted to it without being absolutely sure that it is indeed the case. What kind of guy posts a rumour, based on rumour about things like that? The way I see it, its a direct dig at the Huey Company and its people, and I would most certainly regard it as defamatory. If thats not going for the Huey Company and its people, then I don't know.
Surely the right thing to do would be to establish the facts first, then report it to the CAA, and let them deal with it, instead of trying to play Mr. Bigshot by posting a thread based on rumours. Its a very childish thing to do, and absolutely indicates what type of person you are dealing with here. I'm beginning to wonder why this guy has not identified himself, or responded to previous threads. Maybe we should all try to establish who he is, check out his bona fides, and really determine whether this guy is serious about aviation, or whether his mindset is more tuned into his personal ego.
Come on Rotorhead, put your ego in your pocket and come up with something a bit more sensible and entertaining, Please!!!
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Yessir Capt Gunnss, I will activate my mail, just so that you can send me some private mail.
And you do not listen to the Sir ... as I see your PM block is still not activated .. 
Then we can compare notes on the Russian tools we fly. I'm amazed that you have not gotten your main rotor gearbox yet. We are getting good service & spares. US$ 7000 per hour huh? Must be one of those things that the gooks used up in the Zambezi Province in Moz from 1977 onwards huh, stub wings and all? Betcha I'm right?????
Tom .. let's not hi-jack this thread ... can we continue on the other thread ... re Improving African Aviation ? Cheers and Brgds !
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Me wanna gatkruip too!
Gunns, you're right, South Africans just don't know how to keep our professional and private lifes apart. We're all professionals, and should not be so vindictive. Lord knows, you guys need all the friends you can get in this industry!
Now, as Skaz has shown the way ...
(Pitot heat on, vaseline on, checklist complete)
Francois, can I gatkruip too? Pleez, pleez, pretty pleez? I wanna fly too! Pleez
<Gatkruip off>
Now, as Skaz has shown the way ...
(Pitot heat on, vaseline on, checklist complete)
Francois, can I gatkruip too? Pleez, pleez, pretty pleez? I wanna fly too! Pleez
<Gatkruip off>
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Cheers!
Yahoooo!!! 
Thanks Francois! In fact, I still want to take photos of the tailbooms, the batteries in my camera died before I could take those.
Skaz, well done mate. You're an excellent gatkruip instructor
Thanks Francois! In fact, I still want to take photos of the tailbooms, the batteries in my camera died before I could take those.
Skaz, well done mate. You're an excellent gatkruip instructor
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Maybe its time for someone to Out Rotorhead on line. Im sure hes known to most of you........
Also, Francios. You had better get me a list of Manuals you need for the Huey as it will take some time to get them........at least for free....
Im talking of Operators -10, Maintenance -20, -30 and the -50P Parts... That sort of thing. They are still available here in the states......
Also, Francios. You had better get me a list of Manuals you need for the Huey as it will take some time to get them........at least for free....
Im talking of Operators -10, Maintenance -20, -30 and the -50P Parts... That sort of thing. They are still available here in the states......
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I think this thread is dead. Rotohead is a coward, coz he has not answered any of the questions put to him. I'm beginning to wonder if I don't know this guy? His writing style and the tone of his threads remind me very much of a certain person who operates a fixed wing service from CPT Int, and who caused a lot of k@k when 2 youngsters from the Cape Aero Club started doing some charter work that so calledly interfered with his then newly established charter business. This guy does'nt like competition. If its you rotorhead, we're watching you.
Francois, you should team up with all the warbird boys, and offer a comprehensive package. Thunder City, Combat Zone, the Harvard Club, Stu Davidson from PE and all the other boys operate warbirds on ZU registrations, and you guys should combine your synergies. Its got great potential, and I look forward to the flip in the Huey. I'll bring a couple of my mates down with me. There's going to be 17 of us down there on Easter break. See you then. Hang in there, and don't take any s**t from anyone. Good luck with your venture. Greetings to your crew and uncle Arthur.
PS. Ask Arthur if he knows Rotorhead. He may well do!!!!
Francois, you should team up with all the warbird boys, and offer a comprehensive package. Thunder City, Combat Zone, the Harvard Club, Stu Davidson from PE and all the other boys operate warbirds on ZU registrations, and you guys should combine your synergies. Its got great potential, and I look forward to the flip in the Huey. I'll bring a couple of my mates down with me. There's going to be 17 of us down there on Easter break. See you then. Hang in there, and don't take any s**t from anyone. Good luck with your venture. Greetings to your crew and uncle Arthur.
PS. Ask Arthur if he knows Rotorhead. He may well do!!!!