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Old 5th Dec 2013, 05:27
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All this really p****s me offff.

People who invested millions of rupees for their CPL are not even called and will never most probably. I think it's the only job in this country where qualified mauritians are not being given their chances.

Positive point is that Darth Banny has been fired...at last.
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While some people received info emails from mk stating a second batch recruit in february 2014 still yet to be shortlisted, I have received the mail of no go from thy beloved characters stating that I am not shortlisted. By the grace of god, you sow good, you reap good.. karma will bite back for more..
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im guessing those who were shortlisted for november are not eligible for the Feb intake. My guess would be that candidates will be shortlisted and contacted soon if airlinedream got a negative already. Therefore that gives applicants about 2.5 months to prepare? We had 2 weeks to prepare. Can someone tell me why they would rush the november exercise knowing that they would hire in Feb? Maybe they did not get enough candidates this time around and have to try again? Will that DLR business be used again for Feb? Anyone care to shed some light on this?
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FL999 you are somehow correct. complete batches of 10 people who went for stage 1 returned home failing it. No one could passed it. However, irony is that they were offered to come back and attempt it a second time the next day. Why on earth would they do that? I dont think they lack in applicants. Further that im aware is that 15 candidates are already selected and are probably prior medical stage.

Now if I fill the true puzzle, im thinking the feb intake is a diversion to candidates. Their plan as always was to hire their own. Suddenly the FDO popped the canopy and to cover his ejection full of corruption, something has to be fed to keep people quiet. Best way is to give hope to some and removing the noisy ones from their list. Thats my point of view. Cunning enough from the airline.
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I see. Where did you hear that some who failed Stage 1 were called to re-try? IF that's the case then theres a serious case of double standards in an exercise that was supposed to be fair and transparent. This is turning out to be quite the show yet again. I know a few guys who failed stage 1 but were not recalled. Seems a bit unfair.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 17:09
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This pilot recruitment is a complete b*******. no transparency at all, DLR was there just to 'conduct' the selection. they had no power at all, if it was a proper and clean selection the whole process should have been handle by LT. first of all why did they conduct the assessment at mk operations at the airport? they could have done it somewhere else. mk is tarnishing the mauritian pilot image as from now when ever you will see a mauritian pilot at mk you will have in mind that he was hired on a 'backing' basis.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 02:35
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May be we should contact ICAC again...

You have a case airlinedream. Firstly you were not even called when you had all the qualifications for the ab-initio programme and secondly if they really selected a guy with only a PPL for the MPDP as per what you said then we should really them
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 04:03
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I think Lufthansa Consulting will not undertake any dirty work that can give rise to a situation where their credibility can be questioned. We are talking about one of the largest companies in Europe here with 5200+ pilots and a true reputation. Pass rate for the DLR is around 8-9% anyway. There will be a lot more disappointed people out there than successful ones, that's for sure. Remember guys, this is a pilot job with a lot of responsibility and the truth is that it is not for everyone.

Air Mauritius will not recruit outside the scope of the recommendations anyway.

Good luck to all Mauritians who are applying and going through selection. This has been a long time coming. It's great that Mauritians finally getting a shot. Give it your best peeps. Prepare, prepare, prepare. Be as honest as you can with LT as they are experts. This is not their first time and won't be their last either. This company needs young and passionate people like you!
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 16:55
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Hi Missmauritius,
i think the selection is being handled by LT since they are sending the invites to the candidates , from what i heard..so its LT who are selecting and filtering the best candidates, from my guess...
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 16:59
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engineer29 and Airman07....then how come a guy with an aviation degree not being called for the ab-initio selection process and a guy with only a PPL being selected for the MPDP??...If LT is among the best and selects the best!!
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 18:31
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engineer29 and Airman07....then how come a guy with an aviation degree not being called for the ab-initio selection process and a guy with only a PPL being selected for the MPDP??...If LT is among the best and selects the best!!
Higher qualification doesn't always guarantee a place in a selection process be it in aviation or other professions neither does it mean that the candidate is better than one without a degree.

As a commercial pilot I have seen people with degrees not get selected for a pilot recruitment process. I have also seen people with degrees that get selected and can't make it through the process and at the end you see people without degrees being selected at the end.

There are so many things that come to mind that can make people with higher qualification or a degree get overlooked. An example can be poor CV presentation. Even during the selection process, there are situations where people without degrees even perform better than people with degrees. At the end, it all depends on the candidate. Some candidates might not have the aptitude.

I am not saying this is the case here with MK, I am just saying that having a degree doesn't make it compulsory someone will get called up for a pilot selection process or even get selected at the end.
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I am not the one with the answer to those types of questions as I am no assessor and I'm not going to pretend like I know what LT are looking for in terms of CVs, academic/professional qualification. If one thinks there's a mistake or something, one can always request clarification I guess.

Anyway I just think there are others factors that may have affected the decision. In the absence of the full facts, it's pointless to ponder over it. That's just my opinion.

I know for a fact that people who do not meet the criteria set in the different adverts have not been shortlisted by LT right from the start with the MPP and I guess it would be the same with MPDP and Cadet Programme.

All I wanted to point out with my post is that with LT in charge of pilot selection, Mauritians who meet the requirements published by MK have a fair shot at a pilot job with MK. So spend your energy at preparing adequately for the interview & computer based tests. There's a lot of information available on the internet about the DLR. Go through them with the time that you have.. Use google translate tool if the page is in German. Get an idea of what to expect. LT want to know the real you so have a think about what you would like to tell them and things like that. They need to see how you will fit in as a good team member at Air Mauritius. They want to know about your leadership skills. Their philosophy is about hiring the Captains of tomorrow, not First Officers. Have a think about how you are going to show your assets. Have a think about your negative traits too. They might want to know about them. Don't make up stories, don't portray something that you're not. With personality profiling they will know who's making up **** and who's real.

And above all, if you have been shortlisted.. don't waste your time discussing the negatives of the selection process as this may adversely affect your performance, focus, preparation and mental approach towards the whole process. You need to give yourself a fair chance at this. Think about how important this is to you and how valuable an asset you could be to the company. Think about why you want to be a pilot with Air Mauritius and why LT need to know this about you.

I cannot recall the last time MK had 3 different programmes aimed at hiring locals in the same year and it's set to continue in 2014. We don't know when and if it'll happen again anytime soon. Debatable minimum requirements and what not is all another story but we are witnessing major changes within the company. NCR is the first ever PM who has publicly taken a stand in parliament on pilot recruitment. How much of it is a lot of talk, we don't really know from outside MK. Yet, I feel it has never looked better for us Mauritians and I can't help think it would be such a shame if we didn't make the most of it because of negatives brought up due to disappointment and frustration.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 10:31
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I wonder when the Mauritian people will realise all that Non sense and suffering Mk is doing to all those mauritians pilots holders.

At the Last selection, only 4 pilots have been shortlisted and none of them have experience.. 200hrs pilots who will go directly on the right hand seat of an ATR 72.. I'm sure your family would feel safe to know that; While there are at least 15 mauritians pilots who have more than 1000 hours experience and some of them on the ATR itself and jet airplanes!

Where is the logic behind it? Who are those who still think we need advanced level of Maths and Physics to fly a plane? Another big joke from Mk.
Most of the cadets sent to 43 in 2006 were brillant in the books but 3/4 of them were struggling to handle a Cherokee and 5+ were washout of the flying school. Did Mk learned its lessson? Apparently not.

And now cherry on the cake, Mk is looking for ab initio knowing there are already about 50+ mauritians with a commercial pilot licence who has one dream: come back and fly for their local airline! This is just Bullsh*t. Mauritius is the only country I know of who don't give a damn to their local pilots..
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 14:54
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@Bul

Air mauritius is not doing things very differently from quite a few airlines in the world - I would say that they do nearly the same

Let's for the sake of comparison see how airlines recruit in EASA land. In my discussion, I am assuming that the recruitment process is a fair and objective one.

Firstly, all pilots applying for British Airways, Ryanair, Easyjet, etc. have to pass an assessment, whether they have zero or thousands of hours. If the zero-hour guy passes and the 1000-hour guy fails the assessment, the zero-hour guy will be employed. That's how it is. And the above-mentionned companies have a stringent assessment exercise to ensure that they get the best, and there are a lot of zero-hour guys who pass and who are good pilots, and a lot of "experienced" guys who fail.

Secondly, most airlines ask for at least advanced level studies. In USA and Turkey, they are asking for a unversity degree which is a bit too much. But for the British Airways Future Pilot Programme (BAFPP), they specifically ask for advanced maths and physics. Now for the guys who can't fly after having passed the selection, and if the number is that high as you mentionned, then there is something wrong somewhere. A lot of posts above seem to suggest that there is something fishy in the selection - I can't answer that without having all the facts.

Thirdly, MK is doing exactly what all other airlines are doing. BA has launched the BAFPP scheme for 2 years in a row now and will certainly doit for the next year or two. They have said that they will employ over the next 5 years (i.e. that was said 2 years ago) 400 DEP (Direct Entry Pilots) and 400 ab-initio, and there are hundreds and hundreds of pilots in Europe who are looking for a job. One can ask why also they do this instead of giving the chance to all existing pilots.

Having said all that and after having read all the posts above, it would seem that the main thrust of the argument is that there is a perception of unfairness in the selection process.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 20:04
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Mentality Problem !

What I find very odd and kinda annoying is that those fresh CPLs seem to believe that an ATR is like one of those ME piston light twin they did a few hours on I can assure you it isn't! I think it's a great stepping stone to the jets. I'm not saying it's impossible nor that it doesn't exist - but I'm sure lots of people out there would prefer the guy or girl sitting on the RHS to have a decent amount of experience as opposed to a cocky newbie with a bare CPL with no commercial experience whatsoever.

Congratulations! You're spent a lot of coins (ok your parents did), you went overseas, and you came back home with a CPL. So what? Mk never promised they were going to employ every single pilot licence holder, did they? I think the mentality has to change. You want to be a pilot, great! Are you willing to go anywhere no matter how remote in order to gain experience in the hope of one day being attractive/experienced enough to be employed by Mk - yes?! Well, if so, you have what it takes! No you're not?! Sorry, it's a tough world and only those who have a passion for the job deserve a position. That's how I see it...

And with regards to the Germans - I think it's a good start. Hopefully they take control of recruitment entirely. At least until ALL the worms are out of the can!

For those who get through: Bravo! For the remaining crowd: the world is a damn big place...

So long !
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 22:48
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Yes I do agree with you guys on some parts, but my main point which really annoys me is that Mk did not even give a chance to most of the pilots to participate to the selection just because they did not have Physics or Maths: Some of them had degrees, thousand of hours and their Cvs were not even looked at cause of theirs score in Maths or Physics were not good enough. How can your first selection criteria to be a pilot is based on school exam that a pilot did when he was still an immature kid?
A commercial pilot should be evaluated on their flying skills, their aviation theory knowledges and their attitude. That's what you want for a fun and safe cockpit environement. I beleive all the professional pilots which have flown multicrew will agree on that one. Of course a pilot needs some basic Maths/Physics knowledges, I don't say it's not needed at all, but pilots should have acquired those knowledges from flying school anyway.
Yes the world is big but most Mauritian wants to live in their little paradise. And even if the world is big, it's not easy to get a flying job with a mauritian passport only. Most of the airlines give priority to their local which is the normal fair way! Why more than half of the pilots in Mk are foreigners and meanwhile there are at least 50+ mauritian pilots holders still on the waiting line? Why is that? How come this is actually still acceptable? I don't know any national airlines who does such an injustice. I'm not saying Mk should take them all just cause they are mauritians. But at least give them a chance to sell themselves during a selection process: There are probably some bad cased but surely some great pilots amongs them too and those fellows pilots who will be faithfull to Mk for the rest of their life cause they will never leave their Island. Not like some of those foreigners who just use Mk to build hours and off without any notice.

And last but not the least, why the mauritians pilots can't take part of a selection based on their school requirement while lots of foreigners don't even meet those requirements? Uhm! Uhm!
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You are Wrong!

@ Bul and DodoLongGone...

Who said that a CPL holder with only 200 hours can't be of the RHS of an ATR???
As far as i know 90% of the Mauritian Pilot workforce at MK started at the RHS of an ATR, even the current CP, Training Pilot, Safety Manager etc...

All the cadets from Precision Air of Tanzania go directly to the ATR with 200 hours. Not as 2nd officer but FO!!

As for Kenya Airways, one of the best fleets in Africa, well the cadets move directly to the B737.. y? coz they dont have any turboprops in their fleet!!

The issue with MK is not that they hire guys with a physics background etc...but hire their own guys, or guys with a political backing. Thats why you find a PPL guys selected for the MPDP while the requirement is at least a CPL. And strangely this time they didnt ask for a frozen ATPL which was a requirement 2 years ago.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 07:52
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Hi Aadin,
Yes of course a 200hr can junp directly on a 22 tonnes airplanes or on the RHS of a 737 or A320. Same as when you get your driving licence your first car can be a Ferrari too. It's acceptable but is it really the best option when mk have the opportunity to get lots of pilots with decent experience? Not saying all low hours pilots can't fly. But come on, it makes more sense for an airline to employ experienced pilots vs a fresh CPL. There is no comparison between a 1500hr pilot and a 200hr pilot. Most of the airlines takes fresh CPL cause they have pressure from the governement to employ the locals. 99% of the airlines want pilots with hours. It's safer and cheaper on Insurance. Mk had a lots of issues with the low hours pilots on the ATR. Even tho, MK employed again 4 fresh CPL and send them in South Africa for extra massive training which cost the company a fortune. It's just very sad considering there are plenty of mauritian pilots already with loads of hours and some of them on even on ATR..
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Hi Aadin,
Yes of course a 200hr can junp directly on a 22 tonnes airplanes or on the RHS of a 737 or A320. Same as when you get your driving licence your first car can be a Ferrari too. It's acceptable but is it really the best option when mk have the opportunity to get lots of pilots with decent experience? Not saying all low hours pilots can't fly. But come on, it makes more sense for an airline to employ experienced pilots vs a fresh CPL. There is no comparison between a 1500hr pilot and a 200hr pilot. Most of the airlines takes fresh CPL cause they have pressure from the governement to employ the locals. 99% of the airlines want pilots with hours. It's safer and cheaper on Insurance. Mk had a lots of issues with the low hours pilots on the ATR. Even tho, MK employed again 4 fresh CPL and send them in South Africa for extra massive training which cost the company a fortune. It's just very sad considering there are plenty of mauritian pilots already with loads of hours and some of them on even on ATR..
I do agree with you that the experienced pilots should not be overlooked but don't forget that those pilots with experience were once low time pilots fresh CPLs out of flight school and someone employed them to fly airplanes before they got that experience. I know there are other ways to get that experience apart from the airline but not every country is that way. There are countries where there are little or no flight schools for fresh CPLs to do some instructing and build hours. There are countries that don't do the bush pilot flying done in countries like Botwana.
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@bul, did you fail the selection or were you not called at all?

If you werent called at all dont despair. I would go for a Maths and Physics course and get a certificate or diploma or something and wait for the next wave next year. If that is the only reason you weren't called you can fix it. Also you will get a lot more information about the DLR's process and can prepare yourself better than those who were called in november on what can only be described as short notice.

The fact is that the DLR is a very secretive recruitment system so no one really knows what theyre looking for and I wouldnt be surprised if MK themselves know nothing about it. The suitability of the DLR to mauritian culture is a whole other debate for another time. It will not change the fact that whoever the DLR see fit to be recruited whether experienced or not will get recruited. As I said their criteria is unclear.

If you havent been called dont despair you'll have your chance next year. That cant be said for those who were called and failed as it seems their chances are over. I was told 2 CPL holders were recruited out of 77 and the 75 remaining were discarded permanently as your record remains with the DLR for ever and there are no resits possible for the same company. THAT is the side of that recruitment I find OTT. Any opinions on this rather radical approach to the selection?
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