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Hi Sean, nice argument on why you chose the E145. It does not quite gel with what KQ is doing, splitting their fleet between 738 and EJ 170/190. What is different as far as you guys are concerned?
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Africa World, you make us proud !
It's the spectre of African professionals voting with their wallets for the continent, that I find most inspiring. Brothers, keep the dream alive. And by God's grace, you'll go a long way
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KQ probably has more flyers per route than AWA anticipates.
Note on Ghana: It is nice! I was based in Lome, Togo, right next door. It is a ****hole. The people are nice, and the food is good, but the basic services are severely lacking. Just across the border in Ghana, it is a huge change. I found out that a number of American airlines' captains have vacation homes in Ghana. There are lots of nice resorts for vacation there.
Note on Ghana: It is nice! I was based in Lome, Togo, right next door. It is a ****hole. The people are nice, and the food is good, but the basic services are severely lacking. Just across the border in Ghana, it is a huge change. I found out that a number of American airlines' captains have vacation homes in Ghana. There are lots of nice resorts for vacation there.
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It does not quite gel with what KQ is doing, splitting their fleet between 738 and EJ 170/190. What is different as far as you guys are concerned?
a) As atpcliff points out, KQ is operating in a much more mature market with an established hub and spoke system. That means that there are very few routes they even consider where the network contribution is in the 7-10ppd threshold that we are using for network planning. Whereas we are largely dependent on someone who wants to fly from, for example, Libreville to Accra and maybe Kumasi - they can count on the passengers who want to fly from Libreville to Nairobi and onward to Mumbai, Bangkok, Dubai, London, Guangzhou, etc... That means they have the luxury of using larger aircraft to feed the hub. In due course, we'll get there too I don't doubt, but we have to start with baby steps. 30 seats filled on a 50 seat plane loses less money than 30 seats filled on a 90 seat plane.
b) Geography. You can hit many more markets from Nairobi using an E-Jet than you can from Accra. The E-Jets open up everything from Jeddah to Johannesburg and Malabo to Moroni when operated from Nairobi. The only additional top-40 market that the E-Jet makes accessible from Accra versus the ERJ-145 is Casablanca. Would we consider the 738 for a second aircraft type? Possibly, just as we'd consider the essentially equivalent A320. Or the corresponding 73G/319 options. But again, lets focus on getting the first type into the air before we worry about the second type. Maybe the C-Series will be available by then!
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Thanks for the comprehensive answers... Its exciting to witness the birth of a desperately needed, well planned regional airline within Africa... And yes! in my humble yet biased opinion, I can concur that Accra is the best city in West Africa.
It seems a good idea to start conservatively with the Erj-145 as supposed to E-Jet, BAE146 etc; however, the amount of potential revenue that would be missed from seat/cargo capacity is yet to be seen. I suppose capacity can always be increased as the routes mature but financial losses can't be recovered
I must confess when I first heard the name AWA, I couldnt help but draw similarities to the great American TWA which dominated domestic/regional routes in America. Who knows? maybe AWA is the start of something great... ie provided it isnt greatly under-capitalised like soooo many other carriers that lack adequate financing and are unable to expand their fleet beyond their first few planes.
Any plans of flying internationally to Europe or Asia in the distant future?
Plans for a second base in Africa? And any updates with livery, estimated launch date, schedules etc?
Wishing AW all the best!!
PS: I wonder how Kotoka airport is coping with all this increased activity? I hear Starbow just added 2 additional BAE's to its fleet and others like fly540 are to follow suit with the CRJ700 between accra and nairobi. Also, strong rumors about a national airline in 2013 (after elections).. busy skies over accra! exciting!
It seems a good idea to start conservatively with the Erj-145 as supposed to E-Jet, BAE146 etc; however, the amount of potential revenue that would be missed from seat/cargo capacity is yet to be seen. I suppose capacity can always be increased as the routes mature but financial losses can't be recovered
I must confess when I first heard the name AWA, I couldnt help but draw similarities to the great American TWA which dominated domestic/regional routes in America. Who knows? maybe AWA is the start of something great... ie provided it isnt greatly under-capitalised like soooo many other carriers that lack adequate financing and are unable to expand their fleet beyond their first few planes.
Any plans of flying internationally to Europe or Asia in the distant future?
Plans for a second base in Africa? And any updates with livery, estimated launch date, schedules etc?
Wishing AW all the best!!
PS: I wonder how Kotoka airport is coping with all this increased activity? I hear Starbow just added 2 additional BAE's to its fleet and others like fly540 are to follow suit with the CRJ700 between accra and nairobi. Also, strong rumors about a national airline in 2013 (after elections).. busy skies over accra! exciting!
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Any plans of flying internationally to Europe or Asia in the distant future?
Plans for a second base in Africa? And any updates with livery, estimated launch date, schedules etc?
Plans for a second base in Africa? And any updates with livery, estimated launch date, schedules etc?
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Stellios to partner fly540 in Accra with $500 million <--- according to this article today, there's bound to be even busier skies than I had originally anticipated.
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Hi guys havent heard anything for a while.... any updates to AWA? or am i the only one still holding my breath. I think this has great potential!
any info on start date, aircraft livery, regional routes, pilot recruitment?
any info on start date, aircraft livery, regional routes, pilot recruitment?
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any info on start date, aircraft livery, regional routes, pilot recruitment?
Aircraft livery - I have the final engineering drawings for this sitting on my desk right now.
Regional routes - will probably need to start up earlier rather than later. We need to make the right competitive moves early to avoid being shut out of markets by aggressive potential competitors who may plan to enter with larger jets and swamp the markets with overcapacity. We have plans and are working towards them, but its too early to mention specifics publicly.
Pilot recruitment - our first 6 Ghanaian pilots have now completed their ERJ-145 type ratings. Interviews for the second batch of pilots in mid-April. Training is by Baltic Aviation Academy using simulators at the HNA SATC in Sanya, China.
You can keep up with little bits and pieces of news at our Facebook site.
Africa World Airlines - Airline - Accra, Ghana | Facebook
On the Baltic Aviation Academy web site , they claim to be operating Simulators in 10 Countries ??
in MSP (USA) are they sending people to the Pan Am flight academy ? they are the owners of a SF340 Simulator there
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in MSP (USA) are they sending people to the Pan Am flight academy ? they are the owners of a SF340 Simulator there ?
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On the Baltic Aviation Academy web site , they claim to be operating Simulators in 10 Countries ?? in MSP (USA) are they sending people to the Pan Am flight academy ? they are the owners of a SF340 Simulator there?
Baltic Aviation Academy worked with our Flight Operations team and Ghana Civil Aviation Authority to develop a GCAA approved type rating course (CBT, ground school and simulator instruction) for the ERJ-145. They were a very professional organisation in all their dealings with us and remain our Approved Training Organisation (indeed, the only ATO approved by GCAA to conduct ERJ-145 type ratings so far).
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Dear Africa W.
I received an email which looked like a scam for employment, I wanted to re post it here but by mistake I cleared my junk ..oops... hope you have security in place for such doings.
Hope your airline has taken off to the skies as per your previous posts, but your website does not show anything as of now nor new updates.
best wishes..
I received an email which looked like a scam for employment, I wanted to re post it here but by mistake I cleared my junk ..oops... hope you have security in place for such doings.
Hope your airline has taken off to the skies as per your previous posts, but your website does not show anything as of now nor new updates.
best wishes..
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Hi Johnson121 - Thanks for the post. As I have mentioned before, any communication from Africa World Airlines staff will be using email addresses in the @flyafricaworld.com domain. If emails are from other addresses, you can safely assume that they are not genuine and we would request that you forward them to security (at) flyafricaworld.com for further investigation.
We are hopeful of taking delivery of the first aircraft next month as I posed before, but there are still some outstanding tax and export license issues to be resolved.
Our website is not updated too often, but we are much more active on social media, especially Facebook. There should be a box on the website with updated information from our Facebook site for the latest news.
We are hopeful of taking delivery of the first aircraft next month as I posed before, but there are still some outstanding tax and export license issues to be resolved.
Our website is not updated too often, but we are much more active on social media, especially Facebook. There should be a box on the website with updated information from our Facebook site for the latest news.
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Hi Africa W,
Thanks for the heads up. however as much as I remember it was a pilotrecruit@ I can't remember which domain though.
wish you all the best never knew there were lots of complications in getting a new aircraft never heard of export licence and tax issues in a new airline already :0 .
Africa seems to be booming in the aviation heard Sir Stellios is planning for a large entry by July, lots of competition world wide. how is the African Market for aviation and where do you see your self in July with sir Stellios large fleet compared to your one aircraft operation and your route network ?
Thanks for the heads up. however as much as I remember it was a pilotrecruit@ I can't remember which domain though.
wish you all the best never knew there were lots of complications in getting a new aircraft never heard of export licence and tax issues in a new airline already :0 .
Africa seems to be booming in the aviation heard Sir Stellios is planning for a large entry by July, lots of competition world wide. how is the African Market for aviation and where do you see your self in July with sir Stellios large fleet compared to your one aircraft operation and your route network ?
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Hi Johnson - the main issue is that this is the first time that any of the Chinese built Embraers are being leased out of the country. We did not expect the delays to be as long as they have been but we are hoping to have things settled soon.
With regards competition in the region, we are very interested to see how things pan out with the other new entrants. We are confident that our model of targeting markets with 50-seat jets is distinctly different from the proposed higher density operation that has received media attention lately. There is enough room for multiple quality operators to coexist in a market that is growing as quickly as West Africa, at least in the short term.
With regards competition in the region, we are very interested to see how things pan out with the other new entrants. We are confident that our model of targeting markets with 50-seat jets is distinctly different from the proposed higher density operation that has received media attention lately. There is enough room for multiple quality operators to coexist in a market that is growing as quickly as West Africa, at least in the short term.
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It is great to hear that aircraft's are being built in china these days..
However who are the owner's of this set up?
Do you think the 145's in appearance would please a passenger as compared to a 170 if one had to pick for a flight?
When do you expect to be up and flying and website creations etc.
However who are the owner's of this set up?
Do you think the 145's in appearance would please a passenger as compared to a 170 if one had to pick for a flight?
When do you expect to be up and flying and website creations etc.
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However who are the owner's of this set up?
Do you think the 145's in appearance would please a passenger as compared to a 170 if one had to pick for a flight?
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great to hear the Chinese are involving them selves in every part of the world!
Are they serious about this airline in Africa , as from your website it looks longer than usual and rather Chinese are the fastest in whatever project they venture into, as they have excess funds or are they not of the airline background and still deciding on the project ?
What routes do you intend doing , and do you have employees , crew etc.
Are they serious about this airline in Africa , as from your website it looks longer than usual and rather Chinese are the fastest in whatever project they venture into, as they have excess funds or are they not of the airline background and still deciding on the project ?
What routes do you intend doing , and do you have employees , crew etc.
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Not really sure if Chinese are great for Africans but you might be right that they don't drag their feet where Africa is concerned. They dare thread where "friends" in the West dare not. They come in smiling and then treat Africans like p**h. When Africans wake up the relationship mostly turns sour. Check out Southern Africa and even Ghana for facts. Cheap money and fast tech yes. Long-term development? I say good luck.
Not really sure if Chinese are great for Africans but you might be right that they don't drag their feet where Africa is concerned. They dare thread where "friends" in the West dare not. They come in smiling and then treat Africans like p**h. When Africans wake up the relationship mostly turns sour. Check out Southern Africa and even Ghana for facts. Cheap money and fast tech yes. Long-term development? I say good luck.