Jobs in Africa (2011 onwards) part 3.
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From: Nowhere nice
Been a while since I checked up on PPRUNE.
So undercutting people in the same industry that you have to have a beer with is a bad thing now???
Any how. Hope the quality of pilots willing to go there does not deteriorate faster then it will (like everywhere else).
So undercutting people in the same industry that you have to have a beer with is a bad thing now???
Any how. Hope the quality of pilots willing to go there does not deteriorate faster then it will (like everywhere else).
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From: Victoria
Why?
I'm just curious as to why you post your totals on PPRUNE? Do you really think an employer is going to trawl this site looking for pilots? Do you think African operators don't already have a large number of Resume's already sitting on the CP's desk?
Oh yeah a guy I know had a mate who's next door neighbour met a guy at the pub who knew someone that got hired from posting on PPRUNE!
Dont get sucked in by rumours
Oh yeah a guy I know had a mate who's next door neighbour met a guy at the pub who knew someone that got hired from posting on PPRUNE!
Dont get sucked in by rumours
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From: Switzerland
Ready to relocate somewhere on Earth!!
FAA :
CPL Aircraft SEL and MEL
Night and Instruments ratings
ATP Written
Endorsed on complex and high performance aircraft
ICAO (Canada) :
CPL Aircraft SEL
-Restricted radio operator certificate
-Flown with Garmin G1000 / Aspen
-Aircrafts : C152 / C172 / PA32 / PA44
Ready to relocate somewhere on Earth!
CPL Aircraft SEL and MEL
Night and Instruments ratings
ATP Written
Endorsed on complex and high performance aircraft
ICAO (Canada) :
CPL Aircraft SEL
-Restricted radio operator certificate
-Flown with Garmin G1000 / Aspen
-Aircrafts : C152 / C172 / PA32 / PA44
Ready to relocate somewhere on Earth!
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From: Victoria
Wow
Does a PA44 really count as a complex high performance aircraft?
The swiss seem to know some secret about posting your totals on PPRUNE that the rest of us don't. Must be because they don't use the Euro and are deemed to be less desperate and willing to do anything for a flying job which makes them much more employable and hard to find.
The swiss seem to know some secret about posting your totals on PPRUNE that the rest of us don't. Must be because they don't use the Euro and are deemed to be less desperate and willing to do anything for a flying job which makes them much more employable and hard to find.
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From: DRC/Lanseria
And you have a night rating too...
I agree with tarmac I also cant see a PA44 being a high performance aircraft. This is becoming such a pointless exercise guys (not aimed directly at you jomini)
I agree with tarmac I also cant see a PA44 being a high performance aircraft. This is becoming such a pointless exercise guys (not aimed directly at you jomini)
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From: South Africa
Current jobs in africa
to CharlieVictorSierra . . J41 job . .I'm in if its still on the cards!
I read some of your last arguements / statements with interest. some good advice and comments from others as well.
I am a south african male . .who also went through the frustrations of job hunting with a fresh CPL . . I did a tour in Namibia (short lived due to being screwed over by a well known company there . .Wings). Then landed a great job in Tanzania on the C208. been there a few years. have an ATP now as well. I got lucky, but searched hard daily.
Low time pilots indeed need to try Namibia, Botswana and Tanzania (preferrably with 1000 hours). Ratings are the sore subject . . most people in Tanzania and botswana will bond you for ratings. and yes the larger companies have latched onto the idea that all applicants must have current ratings with time on type . .or at least 500+ twin hours on something else. I personally don't see the point in spending all my savings on dry ratings to suit some cheap airlines who are not interested in investing in crew.
The airlines seem to think that the privileged few who got onto jets early (thanks to mommy and daddy) are the best crew they can have.
They may well be overlooking fantastic pilots who know about decision making, thinking out of the box and know tough envoirnments like africa etc.
I'm not the best pilot that ever flew a plane, but I'm pretty damn good and safe!
I think pilots have sacrificed too much to be dicked around by these airlines. this "rating" and "jet hours" bubble will burst . . .soon . . maybe in a year or 2. they are getting desperate already by extending the retirement ages to 65, and even talking of 70? personally, I don't want a 70 year old flying a plane that I am in . . not sure if I want to operate an plane at 70 myself.
Indeed I myself have considered a rating (B1900 mostly) with a firm job offer first. I approached a well know B1900 operator in SA, as they had a great rep and paid for the ratings . . perfect I thought . . until the last minute, when they changed their policy stating I would need a rating first. So they became like any other company around . . .Indeed SA is a tough market to break into, hence the many SA pilots who work outside of SA. some never go back.
it has paid off for the few who could afford to live at home and take that low paying slave job at a local charter operator or get into the cadet program (now for blacks pilots mainly), and work their way up. good for them.
for all those young and new cpl pilots . . its a tough world out there . . and its changing every few years. try work at a charter company in ops, or an airline . I wish I had done that fresh out of school. For any pilot under 25 with a CPL, you have time to work in ops or something similar and that way work yourself into a company as a pilot. Hint . .get into SAX, Airlink, Comair, Solenta, Execujet etc. There are many more I may not be aware of . . show commitment, confidence (without snotty cockiness!) Many companies will give you the 1000 hours with caravan rating or something BS . . but will happily put a staff member who has been working with them as ops or whatever,with 300 hours onto a caravan right seat as an example. ie Naturelink back in the days. so the 1000 hours is BS! Solenta require a frozen ATP to fly a caravan and 1000 hours . . why you would need and ATP to fly a van I do not know?
Anyone with a JAA and 500 hours should be able to get an airline job as the market is opening up there.
ps the airlines can be kinda boring for some . . watching the autopilot do all the work limits ones hands on skills. Some love airlines, some love turboprops, some love corporate, some love firefighting in canada . . do not fixate on airlines . . other jobs are more fun and pay more in some cases . . think about it . . .
standing by . .
I read some of your last arguements / statements with interest. some good advice and comments from others as well.
I am a south african male . .who also went through the frustrations of job hunting with a fresh CPL . . I did a tour in Namibia (short lived due to being screwed over by a well known company there . .Wings). Then landed a great job in Tanzania on the C208. been there a few years. have an ATP now as well. I got lucky, but searched hard daily.
Low time pilots indeed need to try Namibia, Botswana and Tanzania (preferrably with 1000 hours). Ratings are the sore subject . . most people in Tanzania and botswana will bond you for ratings. and yes the larger companies have latched onto the idea that all applicants must have current ratings with time on type . .or at least 500+ twin hours on something else. I personally don't see the point in spending all my savings on dry ratings to suit some cheap airlines who are not interested in investing in crew.
The airlines seem to think that the privileged few who got onto jets early (thanks to mommy and daddy) are the best crew they can have.
They may well be overlooking fantastic pilots who know about decision making, thinking out of the box and know tough envoirnments like africa etc.
I'm not the best pilot that ever flew a plane, but I'm pretty damn good and safe!
I think pilots have sacrificed too much to be dicked around by these airlines. this "rating" and "jet hours" bubble will burst . . .soon . . maybe in a year or 2. they are getting desperate already by extending the retirement ages to 65, and even talking of 70? personally, I don't want a 70 year old flying a plane that I am in . . not sure if I want to operate an plane at 70 myself.
Indeed I myself have considered a rating (B1900 mostly) with a firm job offer first. I approached a well know B1900 operator in SA, as they had a great rep and paid for the ratings . . perfect I thought . . until the last minute, when they changed their policy stating I would need a rating first. So they became like any other company around . . .Indeed SA is a tough market to break into, hence the many SA pilots who work outside of SA. some never go back.
it has paid off for the few who could afford to live at home and take that low paying slave job at a local charter operator or get into the cadet program (now for blacks pilots mainly), and work their way up. good for them.
for all those young and new cpl pilots . . its a tough world out there . . and its changing every few years. try work at a charter company in ops, or an airline . I wish I had done that fresh out of school. For any pilot under 25 with a CPL, you have time to work in ops or something similar and that way work yourself into a company as a pilot. Hint . .get into SAX, Airlink, Comair, Solenta, Execujet etc. There are many more I may not be aware of . . show commitment, confidence (without snotty cockiness!) Many companies will give you the 1000 hours with caravan rating or something BS . . but will happily put a staff member who has been working with them as ops or whatever,with 300 hours onto a caravan right seat as an example. ie Naturelink back in the days. so the 1000 hours is BS! Solenta require a frozen ATP to fly a caravan and 1000 hours . . why you would need and ATP to fly a van I do not know?
Anyone with a JAA and 500 hours should be able to get an airline job as the market is opening up there.
ps the airlines can be kinda boring for some . . watching the autopilot do all the work limits ones hands on skills. Some love airlines, some love turboprops, some love corporate, some love firefighting in canada . . do not fixate on airlines . . other jobs are more fun and pay more in some cases . . think about it . . .
standing by . .
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From: DRC/Lanseria
Some great points there launchpad.
It is very tough out there and getting SO much tougher in Africa. I know in Botswana guys are kidding themselves if they think they going to get a work permit
There had been a reshuffle at the top of the Labour Department and the new head honcho is hell bent on citizens getting the jobs first. So it just gets harder and harder. Just a few points:
Good idea...in theory. Thats even tough these days. And be careful of being ROYALLY shafted by charter ops who promise the world...then a year later (after doing everything right for a pathetic salary and crazy working hours) you start asking when youll be able to get a raise/maybe a rating and you get given the boot. Its happened to a friend of mine so watch out.
Market related...basically they demand that because they can. Typical supply and demand. A few years back it wasnt like that.
So did I...but you make your own luck. Aint gonna get a job sending CV's over email and fax.
Agreed...personally I couldnt bare the thought of being an airline pilot! But it does have its positives...love the charter/corporate thing im doing now.
PM me launchpad when you have a chance!
It is very tough out there and getting SO much tougher in Africa. I know in Botswana guys are kidding themselves if they think they going to get a work permit
There had been a reshuffle at the top of the Labour Department and the new head honcho is hell bent on citizens getting the jobs first. So it just gets harder and harder. Just a few points:
for all those young and new cpl pilots . . its a tough world out there . . and its changing every few years. try work at a charter company in ops, or an airline .
Solenta require a frozen ATP to fly a caravan and 1000 hours . . why you would need and ATP to fly a van I do not know?
I got lucky, but searched hard daily.
to CharlieVictorSierra . . J41 job . .I'm in if its still on the cards!
ps the airlines can be kinda boring for some . . watching the autopilot do all the work limits ones hands on skills.
PM me launchpad when you have a chance!
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From: CYHU
Canadian Citizen.
Canadian Passport (Exp 2016)
25 years old
ICAO (Canadian) Fixed-wing CPL+Current MIFR.
ICAO (Canadian) Rotary-Wing CPL+RH44, AS350 & Night Rating
Valid Class 1 medical
Fully bilingual french & english.
520 hours TT
350 hours PIC
20 hours turbine
Currently Reserve FO on a BE10.
Willing to relocate anywhere, anytime.
Canadian Passport (Exp 2016)
25 years old
ICAO (Canadian) Fixed-wing CPL+Current MIFR.
ICAO (Canadian) Rotary-Wing CPL+RH44, AS350 & Night Rating
Valid Class 1 medical
Fully bilingual french & english.
520 hours TT
350 hours PIC
20 hours turbine
Currently Reserve FO on a BE10.
Willing to relocate anywhere, anytime.
, does any one know any companies that are hiring ??
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From: Madrid
no jobs in europe
Lunchpad74, just a coment a correction on JAA pilots getting in an airline with 500TT, have 900TT and 400ME and I´m travelling to Africa very very soon since there are no jobs here (in Europe). Its all P2F and once you have some experience on jet then you might get lucky.For the rest you said, I agree and thanks for the info
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From: belgium
I'm looking for a job as a pilot
Like many, I'm looking for a job as a pilot.
I currently fly on a freelance contract for a aerial survey company in Europe. This means very uncertain planning, resulting in sometimes very low flight hours in certain months, due to weather.
I'm looking for a job where a certain amount of flight hours can be guaranteed and I also would like to get paid for the work. I'm not really interested in sitting as 2e pilot for more than 50h on airplanes I'm already qualified on.
My aviation details:
Level 6 English
Medical class 1
MCC B737-200 in 2006
JAA CPL(A) IR SEP MEP (land) & frozen ATPL
TT: 1050h
IFR: 251h (without sim)
Total ME: 704h (Piston PA31/34/44 & C402, C404) => mostly on C404 & PA31
PIC: 863h
JAA CPL(H) R22, R44, HU269
TT: 271h
PIC: 185h
Mostly on R44
Started a FI course this year.
Languages
Dutch - Mother tongue
English - Very good (spoken and written)
French - Practical knowledge (spoken and written)
Other I’m always willing to learn other languages
CV can be requested by a simple PM.
Thank you very much.
I currently fly on a freelance contract for a aerial survey company in Europe. This means very uncertain planning, resulting in sometimes very low flight hours in certain months, due to weather.
I'm looking for a job where a certain amount of flight hours can be guaranteed and I also would like to get paid for the work. I'm not really interested in sitting as 2e pilot for more than 50h on airplanes I'm already qualified on.
My aviation details:
Level 6 English
Medical class 1
MCC B737-200 in 2006
JAA CPL(A) IR SEP MEP (land) & frozen ATPL
TT: 1050h
IFR: 251h (without sim)
Total ME: 704h (Piston PA31/34/44 & C402, C404) => mostly on C404 & PA31
PIC: 863h
JAA CPL(H) R22, R44, HU269
TT: 271h
PIC: 185h
Mostly on R44
Started a FI course this year.
Languages
Dutch - Mother tongue
English - Very good (spoken and written)
French - Practical knowledge (spoken and written)
Other I’m always willing to learn other languages
CV can be requested by a simple PM.
Thank you very much.
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From: Nowhere nice
The THIRD (3rd) and final time I say this.
Posting hours on here WILL NOT get you a job.
If people read this and carry on posting times your are the types that are not considered for jobs in Africa - simply because you are not there. A company has dozens of guys resumes on their desk, you think they give 3 shades of !!!! about what you post here?
My last piece of advice, for the sake of us who have been there done that/still there - stop posting your times and get off your lazy arses and get something done about the job in Africa you "really want".
Posting hours on here WILL NOT get you a job.
If people read this and carry on posting times your are the types that are not considered for jobs in Africa - simply because you are not there. A company has dozens of guys resumes on their desk, you think they give 3 shades of !!!! about what you post here?
My last piece of advice, for the sake of us who have been there done that/still there - stop posting your times and get off your lazy arses and get something done about the job in Africa you "really want".
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From: DRC/Lanseria
^^Why does this bother you? If people want to do it let them. Might not be doing it for a job but to see if they are at least competitive.
=Jason-
=Jason-
And how exactly does it show whether you are competitive in this market?! That is total rubbish sorry...