Payday at Arik Air
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TAGAZOU HOU HOU, i totally agree with you even though i am not a great Arik fan and i detest the way they treat staff. But well said that those who moan should go home and earn their $2,000 a month.
You didn't need to be an old fart white man to say all this but hey, maybe it will help drive the message home to those who whinge but don't ACT!
I am equally tired of those who whinge about Nigeria and Africa - the place that FEEDS them; else, they won't have the experience of what they whinge about!
Happy Landings!
You didn't need to be an old fart white man to say all this but hey, maybe it will help drive the message home to those who whinge but don't ACT!
I am equally tired of those who whinge about Nigeria and Africa - the place that FEEDS them; else, they won't have the experience of what they whinge about!
Happy Landings!
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But today, the best contract airline pilot in the world, it is with Arik and not elsewhere. Go home....
I would argue that the overwhelming majority of pilots who have left Arik would disagree with you. Then did go home; happily.
Not paying salaries and other bills might be the number one reason that many leave. That problem is ongoing, whether this airline was in Africa, or London.
Tell your "go home" comments to the many vendors who are not paid, right in Africa.
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it is my belief that they pay late not because they dont have the cash, but to exert control over their employees. By paying late, it makes it more difficult to leave since you are likely going to leave money on the table.
or, they could just not have the money.
or, they could just not have the money.
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or, they could just not have the money.
I think the party is over on "they have money". Getting parked on the apron repeatedly in the past year for non-payment of fuel isn't a smart move if "they have money". Having pilots repeatedly turned away from training events for lack of payment isn't because "they have money".
Referring again to the "go home" poster, management does that, also. Repeatedly. Locals too.
EDIT: I'll add that if Arik had money (or access to more credit), they'd be buying / leasing more planes. You'll note that isn't happening much these days.
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Arik Air OBA 1 Kanobe Youre on to something
Being part of the initial Flight Ops management of this company, (pre Mr. Egonu) and now looking at it from a good vantage point (right under their noses). It is clear that nothing has and will ever change in the past 4 & a half years at Arik Air! It is what it was designed for.
Sure you can give " month on month off" rotation. And fly the best in Aviation, but at the end of the day if you dont have money in the bank at the end of the month to pay your commitments then YOU LOSE!!!
So going home empty handed after giving 100% in the month or turning up for training and being told that your company hasnt paid its bills is as much an embarassment as having to dive out a hotel window at night to save your A$$! (although that part wasnt very funny!!!)
The Management on the other hand will just say"Sorry" and pretend it never happened. Thats the way life is mentally in these parts.
As has been proven quite clearly at This airline is the only sound that the care about is the loud sound of foot steps as pilots exit the door! Then you all will have The managments attention! ( for about a month or so!)
happy Landing
Be happy
Sure you can give " month on month off" rotation. And fly the best in Aviation, but at the end of the day if you dont have money in the bank at the end of the month to pay your commitments then YOU LOSE!!!
So going home empty handed after giving 100% in the month or turning up for training and being told that your company hasnt paid its bills is as much an embarassment as having to dive out a hotel window at night to save your A$$! (although that part wasnt very funny!!!)
The Management on the other hand will just say"Sorry" and pretend it never happened. Thats the way life is mentally in these parts.
As has been proven quite clearly at This airline is the only sound that the care about is the loud sound of foot steps as pilots exit the door! Then you all will have The managments attention! ( for about a month or so!)
happy Landing
Be happy
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I am not pilot so I am still waiting, waiting, waiting my money.
But when big-Bwana or little-Bwana want something from me, they call me directly and they want it right now, not with a recurrent delay of 3 weeks...
I am planning to leave Arik asap
But when big-Bwana or little-Bwana want something from me, they call me directly and they want it right now, not with a recurrent delay of 3 weeks...
I am planning to leave Arik asap
Edit: I see that you don't mind getting your money in a less than legal way. That, my dear friend, is something that I'm sure could be done quite easily.
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Typical nigerian way. When the ship is sinking ,everyone tries to get what he/she is expecting. That is why I left the company. if you are not treated well ,it is a goodbuy
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With payday tomorrow, I thought that this was interesting. Arik Air officially cancelled three 777-300ERs and seven B737-800's in December 2010, according to Boeing.
I'm sure the company let everybody know.
I'm sure the company let everybody know.
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Interest In Arik
In 21 months this thread has generated so much interest that it has had, the 3rd highest number of views and replies, on the whole Africa forum. The thread with the highest views started in 2008.
After all you do not get this kind of interest with other African Airlines.
Being the Emirates of Africa or Oduduwa Crescent (quote) may have something to do with it.
My question is why?......................................................
After all you do not get this kind of interest with other African Airlines.
Being the Emirates of Africa or Oduduwa Crescent (quote) may have something to do with it.
My question is why?......................................................
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we produce results...
Interest In Arik
In 21 months this thread has generated so much interest that it has had, the 3rd highest number of views and replies, on the whole Africa forum. The thread with the highest views started in 2008.
After all you do not get this kind of interest with other African Airlines.
Being the Emirates of Africa or Oduduwa Crescent (quote) may have something to do with it.
My question is why?.............................................. ........
In 21 months this thread has generated so much interest that it has had, the 3rd highest number of views and replies, on the whole Africa forum. The thread with the highest views started in 2008.
After all you do not get this kind of interest with other African Airlines.
Being the Emirates of Africa or Oduduwa Crescent (quote) may have something to do with it.
My question is why?.............................................. ........
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SH&E was engaged by Arik Int’l in May of 2008, to provide Program Management and Integrator services for five new delivery Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, ordered by Arik Air from Boeing and scheduled for delivery beginning in early 2011.
On August 2, 2010, Arik Int’l requested that SH&E suspend its work, due to Arik Air’s decision to defer all of its delivery slots for 777-300ER type aircraft with Boeing to dates beyond January 2016, until further notice, and it requested SH&E send it an invoice for all outstanding payments. The same day, SH&E, e-mailed Arik Int’l a detailed description of the total outstanding expenses and fees, equaling approximately 46 percent of the total fixed fee amount.
This amount remains outstanding today, despite extensive and repeated attempts by SH&E to obtain payment since February 2010, including multiple unreturned phone calls, emails, and a letter of September 10, 2010, from SH&E to Arik Int’l, informing it that the amount owed was still unpaid and warning Arik Int’l that it was in breach of its agreement with SH&E. On December 9, 2010, SH&E, through its counsel, sent a second letter to Arik Int’l demanding payment for the outstanding amount due. This finally prompted a response from Arik Int’l, through its counsel. By e-mail correspondence, counsel for Arik Int’l promised payment of a significant “undisputed amount” of the total outstanding expenses and fees owed to SH&E by January 10, 2011. However, SH&E has not received any payment as of the date of this filing. SH&E is unaware of any dispute surrounding the delayed payment and has made good faith efforts to obtain payment from Arik Int’l.
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On August 2, 2010, Arik Int’l requested that SH&E suspend its work, due to Arik Air’s decision to defer all of its delivery slots for 777-300ER type aircraft with Boeing to dates beyond January 2016, until further notice, and it requested SH&E send it an invoice for all outstanding payments. The same day, SH&E, e-mailed Arik Int’l a detailed description of the total outstanding expenses and fees, equaling approximately 46 percent of the total fixed fee amount.
This amount remains outstanding today, despite extensive and repeated attempts by SH&E to obtain payment since February 2010, including multiple unreturned phone calls, emails, and a letter of September 10, 2010, from SH&E to Arik Int’l, informing it that the amount owed was still unpaid and warning Arik Int’l that it was in breach of its agreement with SH&E. On December 9, 2010, SH&E, through its counsel, sent a second letter to Arik Int’l demanding payment for the outstanding amount due. This finally prompted a response from Arik Int’l, through its counsel. By e-mail correspondence, counsel for Arik Int’l promised payment of a significant “undisputed amount” of the total outstanding expenses and fees owed to SH&E by January 10, 2011. However, SH&E has not received any payment as of the date of this filing. SH&E is unaware of any dispute surrounding the delayed payment and has made good faith efforts to obtain payment from Arik Int’l.
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The first mistake any business would make engaging Arik is providing any service or product without payment first. Some businesses won't even do that, preferring to not conduct any business with Arik, even cash business.
The non-payment of bills with a "dispute" of the amount is classic Arik. They do this OVER AND OVER.
The non-payment of bills with a "dispute" of the amount is classic Arik. They do this OVER AND OVER.
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Hit them where it hurts !!!
Let me be the first on this thread to congratulate your company on an awesome response to Arik's typical interaction with companies and employees who provide good faith products and services to Arik, and then get the shaft when it comes time to pay up. As a former pilot and employee, I enthusiastically offer my services in ANY way that may aid you in returning the favor to Arik.
Unfortunately, if there was any chance to actually shut down a New York and possible future Houston service, you might actually be doing the company a favor and saving them a HUGE amount of money. You'll be doing the defacto managing that they are not capable of.
Honestly, good luck getting any money. I'm sure you're already exploring ways to shut them down in the gate in New York, with a lien or other court order.
I'll post the edited version of your letter to the U.S. Government:
BEFORE THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
February 24, 2011
Application of:
ARIK AIR LIMITED
for exemption authority pursuant to
49 U.S.C. § 40109 and for a
foreign air carrier permit pursuant to
49 U.S.C. § 41301
Docket No. OST-2010-0279
The U.S. Department of Transportation should carefully scrutinize Arik Air Ltd.’s (“Arik Air”) ability to meet the Department’s standards to hold foreign air carrier authority, due to the failure of its corporate parent, Arik Air International Ltd. (“Arik Int’l”), to pay significant outstanding professional fees and expenses owed to SH&E, which call into question Arik Air’s financial fitness. In light of these issues, SH&E contends that granting Arik Air foreign air carrier authority would be adverse to the public interest.
According to publicly available sources, Arik Air is also indebted to the Nigerian aviation authorities and other government officials, and has experienced groundings of its aircraft on numerous occasions as a result thereof <<<<gosh.... you don't think Pprune helped them any
SH&E requests that the Department carefully scrutinize Arik Air’s financial fitness to hold foreign carrier permit authority and to withhold such authority until Arik Air demonstrates it has met all applicable requirements.
I hereby certify that I have this 24th day of February 2011 served the foregoing document by email on the following persons:
Evelyn D. Sahr
COUNSEL, ARIK AIR LIMITED
John Byerly
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
John Allen
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMIN.
Carl Nelson
AMERICAN AIRLINES
Hershel Kamen
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES
R. Bruce Keiner
CROWELL &MORING LLP (CONTINENTAL)
Sascha Van der Bellen
DELTA AIR LINES
Jeffrey Manley
UNITED
Genaro Pena <<<<< Love this one
HOUSTON INTERCONTINENTAL AIRPORT
Bradley Rubenstein
PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY
Unfortunately, if there was any chance to actually shut down a New York and possible future Houston service, you might actually be doing the company a favor and saving them a HUGE amount of money. You'll be doing the defacto managing that they are not capable of.
Honestly, good luck getting any money. I'm sure you're already exploring ways to shut them down in the gate in New York, with a lien or other court order.
I'll post the edited version of your letter to the U.S. Government:
BEFORE THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
February 24, 2011
Application of:
ARIK AIR LIMITED
for exemption authority pursuant to
49 U.S.C. § 40109 and for a
foreign air carrier permit pursuant to
49 U.S.C. § 41301
Docket No. OST-2010-0279
The U.S. Department of Transportation should carefully scrutinize Arik Air Ltd.’s (“Arik Air”) ability to meet the Department’s standards to hold foreign air carrier authority, due to the failure of its corporate parent, Arik Air International Ltd. (“Arik Int’l”), to pay significant outstanding professional fees and expenses owed to SH&E, which call into question Arik Air’s financial fitness. In light of these issues, SH&E contends that granting Arik Air foreign air carrier authority would be adverse to the public interest.
According to publicly available sources, Arik Air is also indebted to the Nigerian aviation authorities and other government officials, and has experienced groundings of its aircraft on numerous occasions as a result thereof <<<<gosh.... you don't think Pprune helped them any
SH&E requests that the Department carefully scrutinize Arik Air’s financial fitness to hold foreign carrier permit authority and to withhold such authority until Arik Air demonstrates it has met all applicable requirements.
I hereby certify that I have this 24th day of February 2011 served the foregoing document by email on the following persons:
Evelyn D. Sahr
COUNSEL, ARIK AIR LIMITED
John Byerly
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
John Allen
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMIN.
Carl Nelson
AMERICAN AIRLINES
Hershel Kamen
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES
R. Bruce Keiner
CROWELL &MORING LLP (CONTINENTAL)
Sascha Van der Bellen
DELTA AIR LINES
Jeffrey Manley
UNITED
Genaro Pena <<<<< Love this one
HOUSTON INTERCONTINENTAL AIRPORT
Bradley Rubenstein
PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY
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I wonder how little the disputed money is, any thoughts? Which also makes me wonder how Arik proved its financial fitness to the US DOT, i hope no brown envelopes were involved.
This thread amazes me.
After reading all 500 odd posts, I'm amazed Arik numpties are still wondering where their pay is. If for any bizarre reason you joined Arik after this thread started, then you seriously need help.
Beggars belief!
After reading all 500 odd posts, I'm amazed Arik numpties are still wondering where their pay is. If for any bizarre reason you joined Arik after this thread started, then you seriously need help.
Beggars belief!
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People, let's be realistic. No organisation or person can, or will do anything to Arik Air, its chairman (his son & all the others) or management. This group is above the law. In the end it is all about money. Big business is well involved in the continued shennaniganns by this airline. Governments are condoning the shennanigangs of this company.
It does not pay its employees nor its suppliers on time. It owes millions to all and sundry. Yet some serious outfits award it prizes. People grumble but nothing happens.
Disgruntled elements (rightly so) post on pprune, but as far as HE is concerned, it is the barking of dogs; sad dogs even. Hailed by the holy father, HE is a person of substance, an untouchable in the best sense of the word. HE is up there; the little people can go whistle dixie for all HE cares. HE is too big to fail, too big to be called to account; the lessons of (even recent) history notwithstanding. I hear that some wags promise to visit him when he lands in DNKK!
It does not pay its employees nor its suppliers on time. It owes millions to all and sundry. Yet some serious outfits award it prizes. People grumble but nothing happens.
Disgruntled elements (rightly so) post on pprune, but as far as HE is concerned, it is the barking of dogs; sad dogs even. Hailed by the holy father, HE is a person of substance, an untouchable in the best sense of the word. HE is up there; the little people can go whistle dixie for all HE cares. HE is too big to fail, too big to be called to account; the lessons of (even recent) history notwithstanding. I hear that some wags promise to visit him when he lands in DNKK!
