Payday at Arik Air
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If it is easy for ARIK pilots to find jobs elsewhere, pardon me for being naive but why would ARIK expat pilots stay?
Two more expat B737 pilots quit just today. Of course, there are a few who choose to stay. You'd have to ask them why. For others, perhaps they're waiting on class dates at a new company, or some hour acquired benchmark, or any other large number of variables.
Another day of no fuel, and late / cancelled flights at Arik Air.
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A330 at J-burg big wahala
With a grand total of 90 hours, the air starter failed, and dropped bits of metal into the big Pratt fan jet. New engine needed. Airbus reps on site. A flight crew standing by in J-burg. Should be under warranty from Airbus/Pratt.
Today is PAYDAY again. Let the count begin !!!!
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Today is PAYDAY again. Let the count begin !!!!
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Tony Williams- that one captain?.....she is a BITCH, good on ya mate!
Well, her flying skills just did over $200k damage to a plane. Missed approach at JOS, followed by a too fast landing and heavy brakes. Over temped the right main brake set. That over temped the right main strut assembly (the strut itself is equipped with over temp monitors).
Strut: $125k +++
Brakes: $75k
Downtime: $$$$$$$
In my time at my previous three letter employer, she would be management material. We had a phrase, "Mess up, inhale up". Ok, we really didn't say it that way, but this is a family forum.
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With all that has been said of Arik,would you say it's a better airline than Air Nigeria based on sturcture and pay.Which would you say is the best airline to work with in Nigeria?
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Can someone/everyone please draw the appropriate person at Arik's attention to this:
My Arik Airways Flight Nightmare | Sahara Reporters
1. This issue must be investigated and the made right by the customer if need be.
2. Their PR department should start a campaign that does not cripple thegood that this company is trying to do.
My Arik Airways Flight Nightmare | Sahara Reporters
1. This issue must be investigated and the made right by the customer if need be.
2. Their PR department should start a campaign that does not cripple thegood that this company is trying to do.
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Dana Air?
Which would you say is the best airline to work with in Nigeria?
But, if you have questions about the airline, start a new thread !!!!
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There is something wrong with this picture!
This outfit was dodgy from the start so, please, where is the "good" they are trying to do? I just do not see that anywhere. Here we have passengers treated badly, crews going unpaid, bills going unpaid... this should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been following this story from the beginning, back in Rivers State.
This outfit was dodgy from the start so, please, where is the "good" they are trying to do? I just do not see that anywhere. Here we have passengers treated badly, crews going unpaid, bills going unpaid... this should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been following this story from the beginning, back in Rivers State.
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you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
If you do not see ANY +ve anywhere (even if at the expense of some other area) that Arik has provided then your eyes might be closed.
If only Nigeria had U.S style bankruptcy.
If you do not see ANY +ve anywhere (even if at the expense of some other area) that Arik has provided then your eyes might be closed.
If only Nigeria had U.S style bankruptcy.
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too fast landing and heavy brakes. Over temped the right main brake set. That over temped the right main strut assembly (the strut itself is equipped with over temp monitors).
I was taught that you can push as hard as you like on the brake pedals and the anti skid will prevent tire and brake damage. Was the anti-skid inop and this caused the problem?
Is maximum tire speed based on tire blowing out because of overheating brakes or due to runway surface friction or combination of both?
Thanks for any reply.
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What does Okada, Nigerian Airways, Bellview and Arik Air have in common?
It's the quality service:
Arik Air-A Big Sham by Beni
It's the quality service:
Arik Air-A Big Sham by Beni
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Brakes, Brakes, Brakes
I was taught that you can push as hard as you like on the brake pedals and the anti skid will prevent tire and brake damage. Was the anti-skid inop and this caused the problem?
Brakes are designed for a single worst case event. That is probable the rejected take off at V1. And they will get hot. Look at the brake cool down tables after a RTO. This aircraft, a Bombardier CRJ900er, is equipped with BTMS (brake temperature monitoring system) to be used in lieu of
But, lets say you land at a speed greater than Vref, and slam on the brakes immediately... maybe a panic stop after landing long / fast ? If the anti-skid had failed, the tires would blow from lack of rotation, and the brakes would be fine, since the wheel would not be rotating the brake discs to generate heat.
But, if the anti-skid is working, as it did here, then the brakes will produce maximum heat energy to stop the plane. Of course, the brake heat build up can destroy the tires and pop the lead plugs in the wheels (neither of these happened).
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If you say so...
What do you mean by that pearl of wisdom, Mr Smith, not throwing the baby out with the bath water? We should separate our refuse nowadays: babies go in the bin, bathwater down the drain? Was that what my wife was shouting me for the other day?
Or is it that you are some optimist, always giving poor old Arik the benefit of the doubt? What do you put their miserable performance down to then, bad ju-ju? To me and probably a few others Arik looked like such an obvious scam from Day One. Okay, as long as the Big Men still had friends in high places then it was going to continue but as a normal airline? Where is the "good" they have done, if you please? Okay, some guys got some work out of this but long-term it looks like just another, sadly typical, Nigerian embarrassment, guys who couldn't run a whelk stall on the up-and-up starting an airline and one meant to be THE national airline at that!
Or is it that you are some optimist, always giving poor old Arik the benefit of the doubt? What do you put their miserable performance down to then, bad ju-ju? To me and probably a few others Arik looked like such an obvious scam from Day One. Okay, as long as the Big Men still had friends in high places then it was going to continue but as a normal airline? Where is the "good" they have done, if you please? Okay, some guys got some work out of this but long-term it looks like just another, sadly typical, Nigerian embarrassment, guys who couldn't run a whelk stall on the up-and-up starting an airline and one meant to be THE national airline at that!
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The bigger issue is not with Arik but the govt. agencies. Arik is operating within what is allowed by the govt. If the govt agencies were actually up to task, you'd realize a heavy fine would not only teach Arik and others a lesson but also preserve jobs, would prevent the raping of travelers to and from Nigeria by foreign carriers, untold hardship when travelling domestically etc. Accept or not, Arik as bad as it is is many moons better/preferable than Belleview, Sosoliso, and others that were even less of a nationwide airline, but everyone keeps screaming for Arik's demise.
You talk of Arik as the typical Nigerian embarassment. You'd be suprised how many airlines in places like U.S would have long ceased existence if it weren't for their bankruptcy laws that allow them eliminate debt and "start over". Perpetuating the same bad business practices that got them in trouble. As with Nigeria, they operate within what the agencies/laws allow.
Instead of asking for destruction of business and enterprises, people should be clamoring/demanding for tougher laws and enforcement, from the govt. that's what happens most other parts of the world.
You talk of Arik as the typical Nigerian embarassment. You'd be suprised how many airlines in places like U.S would have long ceased existence if it weren't for their bankruptcy laws that allow them eliminate debt and "start over". Perpetuating the same bad business practices that got them in trouble. As with Nigeria, they operate within what the agencies/laws allow.
Instead of asking for destruction of business and enterprises, people should be clamoring/demanding for tougher laws and enforcement, from the govt. that's what happens most other parts of the world.
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Different sides of the same page?
You cannot have it both ways, saying that Arik does "good" but also expecting the Nigerian government to crack down on them when they do bad!
The whole point of raking up this muck about the shady background to Arik is, arguably, to say that under proper regulation they never would have been allowed to start up in the first place due to unfitness. Never mind, off they went to general applause and high hopes, just a few cynics grumbling about what was going to happen. Well, now it's happening and it's going to happen again and again unless EFCC is given a free hand and some support.
That the regulators allow this... that is one thing. What of people who choose to ignore reality, though? They aren't being bribed with money, just with false hopes. Perhaps they should pay more attention to the rare segment of the press which tries to point out the awkward truth behind such amazing things as Arik, the Ikot-Abasi aluminium plant, why Nigerian refineries are in a state of collapse and a few other things as well.
Last night I met a fellow who had been in Lagos back in the early Eighties, working on plans for the Underground. He laughed and said his French company was paid a billion (francs, dollars, whatever) and nothing got done in the end. I asked him how much of that money went for "commissions" and then we both had such a good laugh. Meanwhile, how is Lagos traffic these days?
People seem to think being led around by the nose is some sort of patriotic duty. Perhaps they should take a cue from the sort of wahallah these Tea Party people are making in America and try something similar, see what happens.
The whole point of raking up this muck about the shady background to Arik is, arguably, to say that under proper regulation they never would have been allowed to start up in the first place due to unfitness. Never mind, off they went to general applause and high hopes, just a few cynics grumbling about what was going to happen. Well, now it's happening and it's going to happen again and again unless EFCC is given a free hand and some support.
That the regulators allow this... that is one thing. What of people who choose to ignore reality, though? They aren't being bribed with money, just with false hopes. Perhaps they should pay more attention to the rare segment of the press which tries to point out the awkward truth behind such amazing things as Arik, the Ikot-Abasi aluminium plant, why Nigerian refineries are in a state of collapse and a few other things as well.
Last night I met a fellow who had been in Lagos back in the early Eighties, working on plans for the Underground. He laughed and said his French company was paid a billion (francs, dollars, whatever) and nothing got done in the end. I asked him how much of that money went for "commissions" and then we both had such a good laugh. Meanwhile, how is Lagos traffic these days?
People seem to think being led around by the nose is some sort of patriotic duty. Perhaps they should take a cue from the sort of wahallah these Tea Party people are making in America and try something similar, see what happens.
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Arik is grounded by NAMA
While you guys are arguing "Good Arik / Bad Arik" from your comfortable arm chairs with a spot of tea in a first world country, Arik was shut down (again) today. This time, every domestic flight. All day. All grounded.
Five flights did depart Nigerian airspace for international destinations... 101 London, 105 Lagos / Abuja/London (apparently, 105 never departed Abuja for London), 071/075 Accra, 077 Dakar. It is thought that the J-burg flight will also operate tonight. New York and Monrovia are not scheduled for today.
All five of the flights that did depart were 6 to 10 hours late. About 100+ flights didn't go at all. Even if the government hadn't shut them down, the fuel payment situation would have made everything late, and many cancellations. The good news... with a reduced flight schedule, they don't have to cancel as many flights for lack of crew!!
I'm not sure how much longer this can go on. This was the month that salaries for pilots would be on time. After calling London today, pilots were told maybe on the 11th.
But, more bad news. The A330 is probably out of commission for 3 months. Apparently, whatever kind of warranty / lease / repair contract that normal airlines do with expensive turbofans, Arik elected not to. So, they will eat the whole expense. And, rather than pay for another Pratt to hang on there, and be flying in a week, they've decided on another plan which is so stupid, I can't bring myself to try and explain it here.
There are about 30 Airbus pilots on salary, sitting at home. Let's say they average $7500 per month in cost to the company (I'm sure it's higher than that); $225,000 per month, times three months.... $675,000+ just in salaries, with no income generated. Rent on the plane at about $20,000 PER DAY; About $1.8 million in lost rent for no revenue received. Dozens of cabin crew... $500,000 for 90 days? About $3 million total, PLUS Insurance, parking fees... AND THEN THE COST OF REPAIRS!!
$1 million... $2 million more? I didn't factor in "soft" expenses like 3 months of dead time on currency, so about half the cost of 6 month recurrent. More big numbers.
This, my dear colleagues, is a sinking ship. I have no idea if the planes will operate tomorrow. Or the next day. They can always do what they do best... buy another airplane with somebody else's money.
Five flights did depart Nigerian airspace for international destinations... 101 London, 105 Lagos / Abuja/London (apparently, 105 never departed Abuja for London), 071/075 Accra, 077 Dakar. It is thought that the J-burg flight will also operate tonight. New York and Monrovia are not scheduled for today.
All five of the flights that did depart were 6 to 10 hours late. About 100+ flights didn't go at all. Even if the government hadn't shut them down, the fuel payment situation would have made everything late, and many cancellations. The good news... with a reduced flight schedule, they don't have to cancel as many flights for lack of crew!!
I'm not sure how much longer this can go on. This was the month that salaries for pilots would be on time. After calling London today, pilots were told maybe on the 11th.
But, more bad news. The A330 is probably out of commission for 3 months. Apparently, whatever kind of warranty / lease / repair contract that normal airlines do with expensive turbofans, Arik elected not to. So, they will eat the whole expense. And, rather than pay for another Pratt to hang on there, and be flying in a week, they've decided on another plan which is so stupid, I can't bring myself to try and explain it here.
There are about 30 Airbus pilots on salary, sitting at home. Let's say they average $7500 per month in cost to the company (I'm sure it's higher than that); $225,000 per month, times three months.... $675,000+ just in salaries, with no income generated. Rent on the plane at about $20,000 PER DAY; About $1.8 million in lost rent for no revenue received. Dozens of cabin crew... $500,000 for 90 days? About $3 million total, PLUS Insurance, parking fees... AND THEN THE COST OF REPAIRS!!
$1 million... $2 million more? I didn't factor in "soft" expenses like 3 months of dead time on currency, so about half the cost of 6 month recurrent. More big numbers.
This, my dear colleagues, is a sinking ship. I have no idea if the planes will operate tomorrow. Or the next day. They can always do what they do best... buy another airplane with somebody else's money.
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Airspace agency to withdraw services from debtor airlines today
He gave out the names of carriers that have complied to include: Air Nigeria, Dana Air, and Carveton Helicopters, adding that others like Aero and IRS, after visiting the agency, were being issued invoices to come forward and make payments.
“Arik hasn’t come to see us and we are waiting for them to make payments. They (Arik) are one of our biggest debtors and we will not go back on withdrawing our services if these airlines fail to pay,” he said.
Commenting on the issue, Supo Atobatele, General Manager Public Affairs for the agency said that the funds are necessary to ensure the sustenance of the Category One status just attained by our country.
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Airspace agency to withdraw services from debtor airlines today
“Arik hasn’t come to see us and we are waiting for them to make payments. They (Arik) are one of our biggest debtors and we will not go back on withdrawing our services if these airlines fail to pay,” he said.
Commenting on the issue, Supo Atobatele, General Manager Public Affairs for the agency said that the funds are necessary to ensure the sustenance of the Category One status just attained by our country.
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Airspace agency to withdraw services from debtor airlines today
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Is this True?
This link says an official statement from Arik says he would not pay NAMA because of a case in court since 2002,Can this be real?Can anyone confirm this assertion as reported by The Tribune?check out this link
http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/10509-passengers-stranded-at-lagos-airport-as-nama-enforces-pay
http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/10509-passengers-stranded-at-lagos-airport-as-nama-enforces-pay