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Old 11th Aug 2010, 01:00
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Angel No cheap attempt just the facts!

Of course we are all untravelled airline pilots. We are the run of the mill sort of guys who just moved 6000nm for work on a whim and had until we arrived in Nigeria had never left England much less Europe.

Silly us for thinking that some of the world's largest multinational food chains may know a thing or two about marketing to their target audience.

I now see the error in my ways the other 5 inhabited continents which all have these firms in most major cities are also likely inhabited by untravelled cultureless pilots who should learn their lesson also and shall petition these firms to sell fresh fish and Oxtail and of course spiced snail.

Can I get my money so I can leave now?
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No current Boeing orders??

The Boeing Company

Current Year Deliveries
Through July 2010

Arik Air one-737

Arik Air is not listed on the "orders" list.
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Rumor has it they might be picking up some A320's?
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Rumor has it they might be picking up some A320's?

I doubt it. Arik no longer puts their aircraft orders on the website, and rightfully so. It looked like a child with play things, wanting one or two of everything, and changing his mind at every breath.

Virtually every airplane of any notoriety in the world in current production has been, or is, on this guy's "order" list.

This week's rumours... A380 and B747-800 (after reviewing both the Boeing and Airbus sites, neither plane is listed as "ordered"). Although, I note that Boeing has no orders for any Boeing, according to their website. Although, the A330 was not in any plan, and here it is! Rumours of 3 more of those... who will fly these would be anybody's guess. They can't keep enough crew for one.

In the past, it's been B787, B777, more B737, blah, blah. I wonder if he gets a woodie with this blather? And just like a child, the house could be burning around him, and he'd still be concerned with his playthings.

Does anybody have a link to the Airbus order site?

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Orders & deliveries

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/back.../July_2010.xls
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Old 12th Aug 2010, 05:25
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Arik Air is not listed on the "orders" list.
Wrong.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm?content=customerselection.cfm&pageid=m15524

Customer Summary Through July 2010
Model Series Eng First Order Orders Deliveries Unfilled First Delivery
Arik Air (NIGERIA)-Total 29 2 27
737-800 CF 06-Sep-2007 14 2 12 28-Oct-2009
737-900ER CF 06-Sep-2007 3 - 3
737 Total 17 2 15
777-300ER GE 30-Mar-2007 5 - 5
777 Total 5 - 5
787-9 GE 30-Mar-2007 7 - 7
787 Total 7 - 7
Customer Total 29 2 27
Model Series Eng First Order Orders Deliveries Unfilled First Delivery
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More stupid questions...

We have evidence piled up knee-high of unpaid wages, unpaid bills, total chaos in general at Arik yet what must be a billion dollars worth of Boeings are still listed on the order books.

If Arik is liquid then why do they not pay their bills as normal companies do? Okay, many pay late but this reads like doing a moonlight flit from a hotel, out the back door and off in the crew bus with no plans to pay the owings ever, pretty bush stuff really.

Never mind stiffing a hotel or two, how about the unpaid wages? That really sends a message, doesn't it?

I think it suits Boeing to carry these orders on their books but would you like to bet that there have been some serious discussions, well hidden from public view, about how they might as well forget Arik as a serious customer for such things as the 787 as things now stand?

Okay, the paperwork is all in order, signatures on the dotted lines, so that Boeing has nothing to fear from the SEC about pumping up the order book with hot air to keep their stock price up. After all, it is not their fault if this or that customer proves unable to come up with the readies at the appointed time. Then they just feign disappointment, knock the order on the head and keep the deposit to carry on from there, not an unheard of thing in the airplane business.

The next act should see the sudden collapse of Arik and the even suddener disappearance of the topshots of Arik to cooler climes (London W1 is very nice in autumn, I hear) for a decent interval while the dust rises and then settles, a board of inquiry is called loudly to life but then quietly laid to rest, a tenth if that much of the purloined money is paid back, ferry crews appear to take back the grounded birds after the usual struggle with local courts and the disappointed staff chase their unpaid wages through the Nigerian legal system.

The final act? Why, the return of the raskols, all forgiven and forgotten in the true Nigerian manner! Ask Umaru Dikko how that works because I cannot explain it despite quite a while spent watching and wondering on the fringes of the Nigerian scene.

Jerry could have told all this much, much better but we just have to get along without him.
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Your Boeing link sends me here, where Arik is not listed for future orders as of this date:

Orders through August 3, 2010 737 747 767 777 787 Total
2010 Net Orders.......................229... 1... 3... 26... -4... 255
Air China
Air Austral
Alaska Airlines
American Airlines

Azerbaijan Airlines
Business Jet / VIP Customer(s)
Emirates
Ethiopian Airlines
FedEx
GECAS
Luxair
Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA
Okay Airways Company Limited
Qatar Airways
Royal Jordanian
Somon Air
Southwest Airlines
Turkish Airlines
Unidentified Customer(s)
United Airlines
Virgin Blue Airlines

But, under the "Unfilled Orders" tab, I find this:


Unfilled Orders by Customer Through July 2010

Model..Orders..Deliveries..Unfilled

737.......17...........2...........15
777........5............0............5
787........7............0............7

*******************************
Clicking the "User Defined Report" generates this data:

Orders for July 2004 through July 2010

Customer..Order..............Date.....Total

Arik Air...737-800.......06-Sep-2007...7
Arik Air...737-800.......25-Jun-2008...7
Arik Air...737-900ER...06-Sep-2007...3
Arik Air...777-300ER...30-Mar-2007...4
Arik Air...777-300ER...04-Sep-2007...1
Arik Air...787-9..........30-Mar-2007...3
Arik Air...787-9..........11-Sep-2007...4

Total 29

So, the most recent Boeing order is the 737-800 order of over 2 years ago. 4 of those have been delivered, of 14 ordered. None of the other aircraft have arrived (Arik had an opportunity last year to accept 777's, but turned it down). This data is current through July 2010. The August 3, 2010 data doesn't even list Arik????? Wonder what changed?

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Old 12th Aug 2010, 09:56
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Orders through August 3, 2010
Arik Air didn't order any Boeing aircraft in 2010, so that's why they are not on this list.

But, under the "unfilled orders" tab, I find this:

Unfilled Orders by Customer Through July 2010
Model Orders Deliveries Unfilled
Arik Air
737 17 2 15
777 5 0 5
787 7 0 7
Correct. These are the aircraft Arik Air has on order and are not yet delivered. Only two have been accepted: both B738s (one in 2009 and one in 2010; use the 'User Defined Reports' function to retrieve this information). All Arik's other Boeings are leased and not listed under Arik's name.

No orders have been cancelled so far.
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Talking You can be a cook at Arik Air !!!

Posted advert by Arik, 10 Aug 2010:

Arik is seeking experienced chefs to run our new ex-pat compound based in Lagos Nigeria. The Compound is new and will be fully equipped by October 2010. If you are an experienced chef looking for a challenge looks no further. Ideally experience in an African country would be advantageous.

As part of the application process the recruiter has asked that you answer some filter questions. You will be asked the questions below, only continue your application if you can answer these.

Experienced Chef
Willing to relocate to Lagos
Experience in harsh environments


No mention of pay
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No mention of pay

..........or if you will be paid!
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Arik Chef advert gets a response !!!!

Good news. We have an applicant for Arik Chef:

I can't cook, i'm not remotely interested if you enjoy the food or get any for that matter, will spend the grocery money on myself and buy bush meat with what's left, probably turn up drunk half the time and will spend the other half of the time asleep on cardboard! Do I qualify? If so let me know, I could do with a career job....
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Old 16th Aug 2010, 01:28
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Hi,

In 2009 , there was a company in Spain which started delaying its staff salary. Pilots included.It took 2 month. After that , they stopped completely. They were only paying the crew meals when abroad. It lasted 8 month untill the company went out of business and everybody lost the job without a penny.

But , there was one group of professionals (with balls) that never stopped receiving their salary ON TIME !!!!
These professional were the mechanics. In the second delay they comunicated the company that they would be stoping completely the exact number of days that salary was delayed. And if they stoped paying yhey would be leaving.
And you know what??
They were the only one professional which received their salary until the next month of this company existence.

Of course , as always pilots belong for that coward group which never do anything but complaining amongst them as histeric chics.
Oh..I`m wrong..not all are histeric chicks , some make jokes about the situation as if it wasn`t a real problem in order not to have to take a firm , adult position.

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But , there was one group of professionals (with balls) that never stopped receiving their salary ON TIME !!!!
These professional were the mechanics.

There are a select few at Arik who do get paid on time. The contractor "HiFly", currently operating both A340's, gets paid by the 15th of the month preceding the month of service. They achieved this, of course, after not getting paid on time from Arik. So, HiFly threatened to cancel their service, which would have immediately stopped JFK service indefinitely.

Apparently, this threat was perceived as real, and the blow to the ego of curtailed service to New York would be big. By the way, this route loses HUGE amounts of money for Arik.This contract was scheduled to expire March 2011, but rumour is that it has been extended for another year (and rightfully so).

In contrast, contractor Denim air, which operated their own planes, was stiffed for LOADS of money. So was the government of Niger, for ATC fees and the like. Probably every hotel and fuel supplier, too.

For last month, our engineers (many, many of them from Spain) have still not been paid. For the most part, the pilots have now been paid for last month. Predictably, pilots are still resigning at an alarming rate.
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Old 16th Aug 2010, 20:04
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Unpaid Bills Mounting in UK

Heard a story from LHR last week that there was a near riot at T4 by delayed Arik pax who were delayed 24 hours and then again for 24 hours.

The delay was due to cashflow problems which meant the a/c couldn't go anywhere as it was tech and no money to pay for spares!

Crew are also not being bused in as usual as the coach company has not been paid.

Getting close to the slippery slope and next thing is no onboard catering followed by a/c impounded by BAA or Eurocontrol!

Arik need London to keep going - great market share but all at low yield - for the 'hard currency' to pay the international suppliers that all airlines rely on. If they are struggling to prioritise this due to lack of funds then they are in the big do-do

Also, the GSA in UK & USA is on the way out, so that's the credible sales & marketing finished, to be replaced by in-house sales.

I reckon they will be OK until Xmas with the bonus October traffic for independence day celebrations, but next year when no one goes South due to the imminent elections they will go belly up.

Unless, AJ's man can get his man elected there won't be a re-birth like VK
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what market share do they have on LHR? Do they have any corporate clients?
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what market share do they have on LHR? Do they have any corporate clients?

Comparable to BA & VS most of time, higher during peak - but all at the wrong end.

No significant corporate traffic from UK.

So no huge profits on those routes, just enough to keep the cashflow going in GBP, USD & EUR in the short term - but saying that they run out last week...

Must be the pilots in LOS fault - why on earth would they wnat to be paid for the job they love to do
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 12:31
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The money pinch is everywhere. The Airbus tankered 30 TONNES of fuel from LOS (where they have limited credit) to London so that they wouldn't have to pay cash (that they don't have) for fuel there.

The HMU (fancy name for fuel pump, cost over $100,000 each) has been replaced 4 times recently, probably because of bad fuel in LOS. They didn't want to pay for an installation in London, so they tried to smuggle the HMU to LOS. Customs said no, they must pay the duties. So it was carried back to London.

The bottom line. Maintenance is clearly dictated by cash. No money, just fly a round trip with a known faulty HMU.
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How does bad fuel damage the HMU multiple times but not affect the airline?

Arik is truly in troubled times, hope they straigten themselves out, however the Nigerian air industry needs true professionals. With Ariks financial woes, hopefully this will atleast put to rest some of the talk of illegal financing of the airline. I truly hope they survive, obviously with better management, operations, etc.
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How does bad fuel damage the HMU multiple times but not affect the airline?
Mr Smith,
Bad fuel will damage EVERY HMU fitted to the aircraft until all the bad stuff is out of that particular system. In other words, if it's the left hand wing/tanks for example that uplifted bad fuel, the left hand engine/s depending on type will experience problems.
As for the damage to the airline, I can only assume it's to reputation, prestige and the bank balance.
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