The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)
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Somebody is going to have to Help Goffel or Gary, Someones into some good Daga. (what the F
are you smokin)
For those of us who cant get that paper on our local newstand, how about posting it here.
are you smokin)For those of us who cant get that paper on our local newstand, how about posting it here.
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Hi Bert.
I would love to be able to put the little bull story with the photo's on the net,but not sure how.
By the way,with Gary's influence and knowledge,Francious is going to be flying the shuttle.
I would love to be able to put the little bull
story with the photo's on the net,but not sure how.By the way,with Gary's influence and knowledge,Francious is going to be flying the shuttle.
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It must be!
The FAA Airman Certification Branch lists his details as follows:
Gary Mark Fox
P.O. Box 2552
Midrand 1685 South Africa
Airmen Certificates : Private Pilot (foreign based)
Rotorcraft Helicopter
Mechanic : Airframe
Powerplant
It does'nt say anything about being an Authorized Inspector.
I also saw the article on page 6 of The Cape Argus of yesterday, and those helicopters look very much like the bunch that have been in their hangar at Culemborg for the last 18 months.
The FAA Airman Certification Branch lists his details as follows:
Gary Mark Fox
P.O. Box 2552
Midrand 1685 South Africa
Airmen Certificates : Private Pilot (foreign based)
Rotorcraft Helicopter
Mechanic : Airframe
Powerplant
It does'nt say anything about being an Authorized Inspector.
I also saw the article on page 6 of The Cape Argus of yesterday, and those helicopters look very much like the bunch that have been in their hangar at Culemborg for the last 18 months.
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I have just read all the postings on the Huey posted here on pprune, made a few phonecalls and chatted to some enthusiasts who know a lot about what is actually going on. Enthusiasts that are often with the Huey people at their drinks and barbeque parties, and all of them had a story or three to tell. It seems from information though, that the barbeques are not so well attended these days.
What transpired from the couple of phonecalls I think, is worth mentioning here.
When Gary Fox was first mentioned on the pprune, he attacked Francois in the "EC 120 that rolled over in Durban" thread under the name Injector. When confronted on pprune, Injector acknowledged that he knew Gary Fox, that he would pass on the message, but that Injector was "female".
Injector then with his second posting on pprune congratulated Glynn Dell on his achievement in the World Aerobatic Champions, and stated that Glynn taught him to fly. Now the "wrong gender Injector" is suddenly a helicopter pilot taught by Glynn. Then upon closer investigation, it turns out that Glynn did indeed teach Mr. Gary Fox to fly a heli. So it was assumed that Injector was Gary Fox, it was posted, and Injector NEVER posted again.
During the last couple of postings on this thread, Gary Fox's name gets mentioned a few times, and what happens? INJECTOR posts again, only to once again attack Francois.
I think that it is time that the REAL TRUTH and facts about the Huey and the 2 Gary's are posted here. They are up to dirty tricks and are trying to implicate innocent people in their "shenannigans". They're trying to set up innocent people by deliberately spreading false rumours about them, and are trying their level best to implicate some SACAA staff members in their actions as well.
Unfortunately for them, not everyone takes them seriously, especially Gary Fox, who is known to be a rogue, a liar and a rip off artist, and there are many people in the aviation industry in SA that will atest to that. Watch this space!!! I think a couple of shockers are coming this way!
What transpired from the couple of phonecalls I think, is worth mentioning here.
When Gary Fox was first mentioned on the pprune, he attacked Francois in the "EC 120 that rolled over in Durban" thread under the name Injector. When confronted on pprune, Injector acknowledged that he knew Gary Fox, that he would pass on the message, but that Injector was "female".
Injector then with his second posting on pprune congratulated Glynn Dell on his achievement in the World Aerobatic Champions, and stated that Glynn taught him to fly. Now the "wrong gender Injector" is suddenly a helicopter pilot taught by Glynn. Then upon closer investigation, it turns out that Glynn did indeed teach Mr. Gary Fox to fly a heli. So it was assumed that Injector was Gary Fox, it was posted, and Injector NEVER posted again.
During the last couple of postings on this thread, Gary Fox's name gets mentioned a few times, and what happens? INJECTOR posts again, only to once again attack Francois.
I think that it is time that the REAL TRUTH and facts about the Huey and the 2 Gary's are posted here. They are up to dirty tricks and are trying to implicate innocent people in their "shenannigans". They're trying to set up innocent people by deliberately spreading false rumours about them, and are trying their level best to implicate some SACAA staff members in their actions as well.
Unfortunately for them, not everyone takes them seriously, especially Gary Fox, who is known to be a rogue, a liar and a rip off artist, and there are many people in the aviation industry in SA that will atest to that. Watch this space!!! I think a couple of shockers are coming this way!
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Captain Gary Fox,Federal Aviation Administration Inspector and Authorised factory trained pilot AND mechanic.
C'mon now Gary - tell all these lovely people about Drome Z helicopters based at Grand Central, tell about how you sold heli's that did not belong to you, tell how you scamed people out of millions, tell how you destroyed a old mans life and livelyhood on the farm you supposedly bought, tell how you stripped the farm of all it's assets and then dissapeared, tell how you ripped off your neighbors there and sold their equipment and never paid them, tell how you threaten people with physical violence, with even more serious threats when they expose you, tell how you 'borrow' money from (previous) friends and then never repay them, tell how you fabricate qualifications, ratings, references etc.etc.etc.
So, tell us already..
Come on Mr. Gary Fox... but remember, what goes around, comes around...
R
PS: First you run away to Zambia, then when quiet enough you come back - I now hear that the Zambian authorities are looking for you... add that to the Arab gentlemen's list as well....
would you buy a Jetranger from this man...?
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Rhodie, you are right on everything you've posted. I have it confirmed by a number of people, including one of Gary Fox's long time "acquaintences" at Grand Central. His poor father I'm lead to believe, are suffering from terreible health problems due to the hell his boy have put him through. He allegedly, practically financially ruined his father as well.
It is true that this man is a crook. He is an unrehabilitated insolvent, and uses his girlfriend "Natalie Burger" to front for him. He drives her car, uses her banking account, and operates a company called Specialized Aviation Services with either Natalie or a relative of hers as the sole director. Watch out for this guy.
It is also true that he stole a wack of US Dollars from the Omanians, allegedly as "upfront" money to ship 2 Jetrangers to Oman for a spraying contract. Instead of shipping the Jetrangers to Oman, he stole the money. Rumour has it that these people are on the look out for him, and that there are threats out there that if they find him, they're going to castrate him with a blunt knife! Ouch!
Its rather amazing how thugs like this get away with these things all the time. It does'nt help sueing this guy for anything, because he's got nothing. Not a house, not a car, no assets, nothing. Maybe just a few "mechanic" tools
Furthermore he is not a South African citizen, and the people I spoke to, tells me that not long ago the Dept. of Home Affairs was also looking for him due to the use of a false ID. Apparently his SA ID was cancelled, but he still used the cancelled number.
He wants to expose thugs......
My goodness, this thread is now off the Huey topic, and people are exposing him! What a guy! 
Apparently this guy is such a good bullr that he brags that he can sell ice to an Eskimo. People say that this guy lies so convinceingly that the naive are easily taken by him.
One of his "old acquaintences" tells me that there is something seriously wrong with this man. He's concentration span is about 3 minutes and then he looses it, and floats onto topics that are totally irrelevant, but on each and every topic, he proclaims to be an expert.
Sounds like a "Jack of all trades, master of none". How do peopole like this sleep at night?
I would'nt want to fly with him. Sounds way to risky. Wow!
It is true that this man is a crook. He is an unrehabilitated insolvent, and uses his girlfriend "Natalie Burger" to front for him. He drives her car, uses her banking account, and operates a company called Specialized Aviation Services with either Natalie or a relative of hers as the sole director. Watch out for this guy.
It is also true that he stole a wack of US Dollars from the Omanians, allegedly as "upfront" money to ship 2 Jetrangers to Oman for a spraying contract. Instead of shipping the Jetrangers to Oman, he stole the money. Rumour has it that these people are on the look out for him, and that there are threats out there that if they find him, they're going to castrate him with a blunt knife!
Ouch! Its rather amazing how thugs like this get away with these things all the time. It does'nt help sueing this guy for anything, because he's got nothing. Not a house, not a car, no assets, nothing. Maybe just a few "mechanic" tools
Furthermore he is not a South African citizen, and the people I spoke to, tells me that not long ago the Dept. of Home Affairs was also looking for him due to the use of a false ID. Apparently his SA ID was cancelled, but he still used the cancelled number.
He wants to expose thugs......
My goodness, this thread is now off the Huey topic, and people are exposing him! What a guy!
Apparently this guy is such a good bull
r that he brags that he can sell ice to an Eskimo. People say that this guy lies so convinceingly that the naive are easily taken by him. One of his "old acquaintences" tells me that there is something seriously wrong with this man. He's concentration span is about 3 minutes and then he looses it, and floats onto topics that are totally irrelevant, but on each and every topic, he proclaims to be an expert.
Sounds like a "Jack of all trades, master of none". How do peopole like this sleep at night?
I would'nt want to fly with him. Sounds way to risky. Wow!
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As to Mr Fox, dont know the guy and have no Axe to grind with him.
However if he is representing himself as an FAA Inspector, he could get his tit in a wringer. AlwaysInverted posted what FAA licenses he has currently which translate that he had a foriegn (to the US) helicopter license that was valid and they, as usual issued a U.S. based PPL.. Even if he held an ATP in another country he could get no more than a PPL in the states with out going through the process of testing and checkrides such as my good friend Freddie from the far North did.
As to " Factory Trained"..............mmmmmmmmm ... I don theeenk so. Bell is not doing any B205 courses according to their schedule for the last couple years.. Not to say it couldnt happen, but I doubt very seriously that someone unloaded about $20K U.S. for this rare occasion. Anyone can get signed off in the machine, again, not by the factory.
Bottom line is no matter how much folks here jump on the Gary and Gary show, they still seem to be surviving, with the ability to make the SACAA "Cowtow" (Its a Chinese thing, look it up )and Lawyers must still be getting paid. So, as a team they can not only sell Ice to an Eskimo, but Water to a Drowning Man. Thats the world of business.......in SA.
AlwaysInverted writes: "It is also true that he stole a wack of US Dollars from the Omanians, allegedly as "upfront" money to ship 2 Jetrangers to Oman for a spraying contract. Instead of shipping the Jetrangers to Oman, he stole the money. Rumour has it that these people are on the look out for him, and that there are threats out there that if they find him, they're going to castrate him with a blunt knife! Ouch! "
Im curious as to this posting. I do know some folks involved in Spraying there. They are from the Midrand area. Could there be a connection???
However if he is representing himself as an FAA Inspector, he could get his tit in a wringer. AlwaysInverted posted what FAA licenses he has currently which translate that he had a foriegn (to the US) helicopter license that was valid and they, as usual issued a U.S. based PPL.. Even if he held an ATP in another country he could get no more than a PPL in the states with out going through the process of testing and checkrides such as my good friend Freddie from the far North did.
As to " Factory Trained"..............mmmmmmmmm ... I don theeenk so. Bell is not doing any B205 courses according to their schedule for the last couple years.. Not to say it couldnt happen, but I doubt very seriously that someone unloaded about $20K U.S. for this rare occasion. Anyone can get signed off in the machine, again, not by the factory.
Bottom line is no matter how much folks here jump on the Gary and Gary show, they still seem to be surviving, with the ability to make the SACAA "Cowtow" (Its a Chinese thing, look it up )and Lawyers must still be getting paid. So, as a team they can not only sell Ice to an Eskimo, but Water to a Drowning Man. Thats the world of business.......in SA.
AlwaysInverted writes: "It is also true that he stole a wack of US Dollars from the Omanians, allegedly as "upfront" money to ship 2 Jetrangers to Oman for a spraying contract. Instead of shipping the Jetrangers to Oman, he stole the money. Rumour has it that these people are on the look out for him, and that there are threats out there that if they find him, they're going to castrate him with a blunt knife! Ouch! "
Im curious as to this posting. I do know some folks involved in Spraying there. They are from the Midrand area. Could there be a connection???
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Gary is our Brother Man
Eish how do these Pale Ones complain, whilst you are deciding on Brother Gary he is making another smooth deal. Power to you Gary. May the force of Bob be with you. Don't these Pips understand this is Africa not the UK or Holland. The Brothers rule and our Protectors make sure we prosper. The age of the Pale Poops is over. Make way for the new order. Brother Bob has taught Brother Jacob well. May he soon rise to power and provide his supporters with the distribution of wealth from the Pale Ones.
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Yo Grommet, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go and make some deal with your bro Gary. You're gonna get shafted my man.... big time
You sounds like one of those typical "zero on tops".
You sounds like one of those typical "zero on tops".
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Wot a Grommet
After reading Grommet's post here and on the CAA circus et al - I am seriously hoping that this fellow is just someone with a wicked sense of humour giving us a wind-up... 
If so, good on ya Grommet...
If not, well we will see...
By the way, **** ***is a pale-face, not a PDI comrade... so unless he throws a bunch of US$ at 'Brother Bob and Brother Jacob', which he is very unlikely to do given that he doesn't share his ill-gotten gains (nor, for that matter do the aforementioned brothers), then the so-called 'distribution' aint gonna happen...!!
20 Million Zim dollars to the winner..
R
If so, good on ya Grommet...
If not, well we will see...
By the way, **** ***is a pale-face, not a PDI comrade...
so unless he throws a bunch of US$ at 'Brother Bob and Brother Jacob', which he is very unlikely to do given that he doesn't share his ill-gotten gains (nor, for that matter do the aforementioned brothers), then the so-called 'distribution' aint gonna happen...!!20 Million Zim dollars to the winner..
R
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Cape Argus: 18 March 2005:
(Apologies for the poor scan)
The name 'Madiba Air and Sea' has been registered at the Registrar of Companies, but not yet allocated to an entity, as is the name 'Madiba Air and Marine'.
'Madiba Air (Pty) Ltd' was incorporated on 9 June 1989. The current director is Shaun Steven Pautz, who was appointed on 30 November 2004. The previous director was Gary Walter Van Der Merwe.
Vietnam War veterans land in city
A Cape Town-based helicopter and ship company has purchased three Huey helicopters which were used by the United States during the Vietnam War.
And the company is planning to use the round-nosed aircraft to boost tourism in Cape Town and to aid various relief projects.
The Hueys cost between $600 000 and $1 million each.
Through Madiba Air and Sea, Cape Town is the only place outside the US where the Huey is commercially flown.
"It's a big tourist attraction," says Gary Fox, Federal Aviation Administration inspector and authorised factory trained pilot and mechanic.
Fox said the Hueys have been demilitarised and type-certified.
A Cape Town-based helicopter and ship company has purchased three Huey helicopters which were used by the United States during the Vietnam War.
And the company is planning to use the round-nosed aircraft to boost tourism in Cape Town and to aid various relief projects.
The Hueys cost between $600 000 and $1 million each.
Through Madiba Air and Sea, Cape Town is the only place outside the US where the Huey is commercially flown.
"It's a big tourist attraction," says Gary Fox, Federal Aviation Administration inspector and authorised factory trained pilot and mechanic.
Fox said the Hueys have been demilitarised and type-certified.
(Apologies for the poor scan)
The name 'Madiba Air and Sea' has been registered at the Registrar of Companies, but not yet allocated to an entity, as is the name 'Madiba Air and Marine'.
'Madiba Air (Pty) Ltd' was incorporated on 9 June 1989. The current director is Shaun Steven Pautz, who was appointed on 30 November 2004. The previous director was Gary Walter Van Der Merwe.
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Looking at the picture one can clearly see that the helicopter on the far right, is a Bell 204. That is for sure a fresh import into Cape Town.
I've been told that the Bell 204 was refurbished as a museum piece, and that it has been de-militarised and civilianised with certain restrictions. Its type certificate specifies that it may not carry passengers and may only be used for external cargo and slinging. It will therefore be interesting to see if this helicopter will also be deployed in a Club, to bypass the Commercial carrying of passengers.
The other two helicopters are Hueys (Ex Zim & Ethiopia) and they have been in Cape Town (Helibase) for nearly 2 years.
I've been told that the Bell 204 was refurbished as a museum piece, and that it has been de-militarised and civilianised with certain restrictions. Its type certificate specifies that it may not carry passengers and may only be used for external cargo and slinging. It will therefore be interesting to see if this helicopter will also be deployed in a Club, to bypass the Commercial carrying of passengers.
The other two helicopters are Hueys (Ex Zim & Ethiopia) and they have been in Cape Town (Helibase) for nearly 2 years.
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The new import is a SW 204HP (Southwest Florida Aviation), serial 1104, to be registered ZS-RXX. According to the plate, the engine is a T53L11D.
The newspaper pic above, from left to right: AB 205 'Zim 6', Bell 205 UH-1H 13729 (ZS-UHI) and the new SW 204HP ZS-RXX.
Herewith pic of ZS-RXX on it's first (?) engine run in Cape Town. It is just waiting on the paperwork from the CAA before flying.
The newspaper pic above, from left to right: AB 205 'Zim 6', Bell 205 UH-1H 13729 (ZS-UHI) and the new SW 204HP ZS-RXX.
Herewith pic of ZS-RXX on it's first (?) engine run in Cape Town. It is just waiting on the paperwork from the CAA before flying.
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Surprise Surprise. Thats a UH-1B. Older than dirt on the Bell 204 Airframe. Another Fun Machine. With Dual Hydraulics it would be the UH-1C add the 540 system and -13 engine it would be the UH-1M.
Some will find that when loaded up, hopefully with a few less than a UH-1H, that there is less power and a shorter tailboom. That translates to less Tail Rotor when you need it.
Be careful out there kiddies.
Certainly looks nice. Since its SA you can probably do anything with it. Im pretty sure you will find that Southwests Aircraft when registered in the states, fall under "Restricted Category" (that means no PAX). But its SA, with no functioning CAA, those rules may not apply.
Begining to look as though someone may be trying to do things correctly for a change.
If they paid between $600k and $1M, I think they were had. $200k-$400K should be about the going price. Depending on remaining times of course.
If anyone was really interested I could explain how they arrived at the tail numbers.
Another funny thing that I hear that Mr. Mandella is copyrighting a few things. One of them may be "Madiba". Im sure he would love to hear that a bunch of palefaces are forming a company with American Combat Aircraft using that name.........Wonders never cease.
Some will find that when loaded up, hopefully with a few less than a UH-1H, that there is less power and a shorter tailboom. That translates to less Tail Rotor when you need it.
Be careful out there kiddies.
Certainly looks nice. Since its SA you can probably do anything with it. Im pretty sure you will find that Southwests Aircraft when registered in the states, fall under "Restricted Category" (that means no PAX). But its SA, with no functioning CAA, those rules may not apply.
Begining to look as though someone may be trying to do things correctly for a change.
If they paid between $600k and $1M, I think they were had. $200k-$400K should be about the going price. Depending on remaining times of course.
If anyone was really interested I could explain how they arrived at the tail numbers.
Another funny thing that I hear that Mr. Mandella is copyrighting a few things. One of them may be "Madiba". Im sure he would love to hear that a bunch of palefaces are forming a company with American Combat Aircraft using that name.........Wonders never cease.
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OK Mr Farmpilot. heres what I have so far from some dusty memory banks clouded with Caribbean Rum..
Firstly all the military aircraft have serial numbers that read something like 68-12345 or 71-12345. The first two designators were the year that the Military contract was purchased, not necessarily the year of manufacture, but very close. This was mainly due to the huge assembly line of Aircraft.
So, because the numbers were so very long the Army in their wisdom would take 68-12345 and paint 82345 on the tail for a five digit number or just the 81234 for a four digit. That represented the 8 as in 68 and the last four of the sequential number.. Problem arose with they went into the next decade and 78-12345 was issued. The remedy was to take a 0 into the number meaning over ten years old, such as 01234 etc. It would readily ID aircraft that were over ten years old and not confuse with a newer issue of the same sequential number.
The only way to really Identify the aircraft is from the Data Plate located on the left side of the panel under dash on the left side.
In the case of 8606 it will say Bell Aircraft Model 204/UH-1 and the serial number should be XX-8606 Rather than painting 08606 it is acceptable to make it 8606. Since this has come out with a new type certificate it may longer have that data plate and the number could be meaningless. I think that it would be interesting to know the original number and its history can be traced to ascertain where the aircraft served. Its a Nostalgia thing. In fact If Im correct I may have 8606 in my logbook....have to dig that out.
Hope that thoroughly confuses the issue. Im sure someone will correct me on a couple items, but its close enough for SA.
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Firstly all the military aircraft have serial numbers that read something like 68-12345 or 71-12345. The first two designators were the year that the Military contract was purchased, not necessarily the year of manufacture, but very close. This was mainly due to the huge assembly line of Aircraft.
So, because the numbers were so very long the Army in their wisdom would take 68-12345 and paint 82345 on the tail for a five digit number or just the 81234 for a four digit. That represented the 8 as in 68 and the last four of the sequential number.. Problem arose with they went into the next decade and 78-12345 was issued. The remedy was to take a 0 into the number meaning over ten years old, such as 01234 etc. It would readily ID aircraft that were over ten years old and not confuse with a newer issue of the same sequential number.
The only way to really Identify the aircraft is from the Data Plate located on the left side of the panel under dash on the left side.
In the case of 8606 it will say Bell Aircraft Model 204/UH-1 and the serial number should be XX-8606 Rather than painting 08606 it is acceptable to make it 8606. Since this has come out with a new type certificate it may longer have that data plate and the number could be meaningless. I think that it would be interesting to know the original number and its history can be traced to ascertain where the aircraft served. Its a Nostalgia thing. In fact If Im correct I may have 8606 in my logbook....have to dig that out.
Hope that thoroughly confuses the issue. Im sure someone will correct me on a couple items, but its close enough for SA.
Lots of other info on www.vhpa.org
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Hey guys, my first posting! Don't scare me off now please. So much politics in this industry, I wonder if getting my licence was such a good idea. It's really great that the topic of discussion is now the machines and not the faces who have the guts to import and run them. I read a few previous pages and was not impressed with the rather personal info that was being flung out. I know that I am still a "baby" in the industry but it's obviously not all that I imagined it to be. Since I started an interest in flying I have been encouraged and my schooling, closely monitored by people that I have grown to like. They are those with vision and a passion for flying and see beyond the presure of competition and have the "balls" to do something better so that the Huey will survive. It's a beautifull machine, lets see more of them here! Good luck to you all.
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Terminator writes:" They are those with vision and a passion for flying and see beyond the presure of competition and have the "balls" to do something better so that the Huey will survive"
Maybe you didnt see the other posting. It will survive as long as its flown within the "Type Certificate". I think you will find that the new type certificate restricts it to Agriculture, Forest Fires and Slingload work. The first Paying Passenger or " Club Member" who place their Butt on the canvas seat for a turn around the patch will make this just another mess, same as the first one.
Should the owners decide to violate the Type Certificate, Im sure they will also be telling the world that everything they do is according to how they want to do it, (that would include maintenance) , not necessarily they way it should be done.
Lets wait and see.........Someone certainly will be looking for a return on their investment and I still have my R100 ready for the bets.
Take a look: http://www.swfateam.com
Maybe you didnt see the other posting. It will survive as long as its flown within the "Type Certificate". I think you will find that the new type certificate restricts it to Agriculture, Forest Fires and Slingload work. The first Paying Passenger or " Club Member" who place their Butt on the canvas seat for a turn around the patch will make this just another mess, same as the first one.
Should the owners decide to violate the Type Certificate, Im sure they will also be telling the world that everything they do is according to how they want to do it, (that would include maintenance) , not necessarily they way it should be done.
Lets wait and see.........Someone certainly will be looking for a return on their investment and I still have my R100 ready for the bets.
Take a look: http://www.swfateam.com