What will SACAA destroy when theres no aviation left...???
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Contraxdog.
I enjoyed your last post very much. It was pretty apt. I am most relieved to read your spelling postcript. By my calculation it is only 17.15 down there.
I started life off as a freelance charter pilot at FAGM. I flew on many a private special day and faced up to many a charter queen who wanted six pax in a five pax Baron - or whatever other idiocy motivated their ghastly lust for profit at the expense of safety and common sense! It was very hard work and I was lucky to land a job in a regional airline many years ago. For this reason, I am only just going grey and preserve, to this day, my Clark Gable good looks.
I fear that your assessment of the motive for the latest legislation is quite correct. No more charter pilots of the professional ilk. SEPPA would be a good idea if enough chaps would join. As you well know, pilots do not like to find money even if the end result might be to their benefit. Good luck:
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Hee hee hee, a stable job....thanks I needed that. Ask Rossair, Sunair, Civair...... pilots about stable jobs. You know whats cutting Contraxdog, you too have seen the real deal, Im in for SEPPA, hopefully, working as your gofer or spell checker, should leave me more money in the bank than what flying (really flying)....with my hands....is gonna do. I salute you. 
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Quotes from proposal to amend SA-Cats-Ops 121
Maybe this helps those faraway Ppruners who haven't as yet received this AIC.
Quoted from AIC 18:20 05-01-21
"para 2: 6 Monthly profiency checks:
1.The 6-monthly flight crew check referred to in para [e] of sub- regulation 121.03.6[1] of the CAR, in respect of aeroplanes with a certified mass in Excess of 15 000 kg or a maximum approved passenger seating configuration in excess of 19 passengers,
shall be carried out at least once every 12 months in a flight simulator, approved for the purpose:Provided that, where such flight simulator is not available within the Republic ,the requirement may be relaxed to once every 24 months.
2. Where no flight simulator,as contemplated in para [a] above,
is reasonably or timeously available ,the Commissioner may
under exceptional circumstances exempt an operator from this
particular requirement for a particular type of aeroplane for a
period not exceeding 12 months: Provided the operator
demonstrates a satisfactory equivalent level of profiency by
other means .Such a exemption shall be published in a AIC. "
"Written representation for or against the proposal may be made to the Commissioner for Civil Aviation ---or by e-mail to
Merriam Mamabolo [ [email protected] ] or Herman Wildenboer [ [email protected] ] by not later than 28 February 2005 "
Quoted from AIC 18:20 05-01-21
"para 2: 6 Monthly profiency checks:
1.The 6-monthly flight crew check referred to in para [e] of sub- regulation 121.03.6[1] of the CAR, in respect of aeroplanes with a certified mass in Excess of 15 000 kg or a maximum approved passenger seating configuration in excess of 19 passengers,
shall be carried out at least once every 12 months in a flight simulator, approved for the purpose:Provided that, where such flight simulator is not available within the Republic ,the requirement may be relaxed to once every 24 months.
2. Where no flight simulator,as contemplated in para [a] above,
is reasonably or timeously available ,the Commissioner may
under exceptional circumstances exempt an operator from this
particular requirement for a particular type of aeroplane for a
period not exceeding 12 months: Provided the operator
demonstrates a satisfactory equivalent level of profiency by
other means .Such a exemption shall be published in a AIC. "
"Written representation for or against the proposal may be made to the Commissioner for Civil Aviation ---or by e-mail to
Merriam Mamabolo [ [email protected] ] or Herman Wildenboer [ [email protected] ] by not later than 28 February 2005 "
Well said ContraxD!!
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flyboy2Thank you for that steadying piece of news. Actually, there would seem to be much more latitude down South than there is here in the snow.
I don't find the AIC requirements at all onerous but I do read them from an airline point of view and not, thank goodness, from the perspective of a freelance pilot on whatever level of aircraft.
And of course, I also read them as one who usually bangs his way through the wonderful weather associated with Northern Hemisphere winter aviation, where, dare I say it, blue skies are not the norm. But then, at the risk of being a Devil's Disciple; should standards differ because the weather and conditions do between Hemisphere and Hemisphere? I don't really think so. A Pilot must be a sort of 'Go Anywhere Chap' (or Chappess, I suppose). There may be a Porcupine for the plucking here. Tally Ho
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Of course standards must be kept high. But then it should apply across the board!!! This is a discussion for another day ...
My heart bleeds for the freelancers. I too, used to be one, until maintaining my Comm. just became too expensive. Luckily I have other employment.
Already the self funded recurrency training has claimed some victims. Any more expenses are going to kill off the rest. If you're not a cadet, being pushed into every seat the moment someone vacates it, you have little to no chance.
It's going to take some years for the industry to burn its fingers on the destruction of the freelance (self funded) pilot. They're needed if the various charter companies are going to remain competitive. Eventually, however, the pool of wealthy and priveleged self funders will run dry. Then you'll see those charter queens banging on the door of the CAA with their powder puffs trying to get out of having to foot the bill!!
Unfortunately, though, there will be many casualties before this sweet irony ever comes about.
It's all very sad...........
My heart bleeds for the freelancers. I too, used to be one, until maintaining my Comm. just became too expensive. Luckily I have other employment.
Already the self funded recurrency training has claimed some victims. Any more expenses are going to kill off the rest. If you're not a cadet, being pushed into every seat the moment someone vacates it, you have little to no chance.
It's going to take some years for the industry to burn its fingers on the destruction of the freelance (self funded) pilot. They're needed if the various charter companies are going to remain competitive. Eventually, however, the pool of wealthy and priveleged self funders will run dry. Then you'll see those charter queens banging on the door of the CAA with their powder puffs trying to get out of having to foot the bill!!
Unfortunately, though, there will be many casualties before this sweet irony ever comes about.
It's all very sad...........
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Just heard today that on top of all this crap, CRM and Dangerous Goods, they are adding firefighting, and first aid to the list of " MUST HAVES" for the professional pilot. At an average of R1000 a pop, thats already R4000 before even getting to the flying side, or the annual CAA costs. What the F@CK is going on here, its crazy, someone HHHEEEEEEELLLLLLPPPPPP !!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, IRP, not, I hope RIP, the situation down there is becoming much as it has been up here (UK) for years. The cost of recurrent training is so high and the nausea involved, so great, that only the airlines themselves can afford both to pay and accomodate such mess of scrambled eggs.I have to do CRM, pool training, fire training, mouth to mouth (wrong victim every time) and so on every two years. Worse, if the relevant certificates are not signed off, you can indeed be grounded and that, at very short notice. Bonding; I am sure you know what I mean, has become the aviation employers' only recourse. I remember that, at an interview some years ago, Rough Ryan the Irish told me that I would not only have to be bonded but also to pay them for a 737/200 type rating course, out of future earnings. I have therefore applied to Emirates as a Pilot Recruitment Manager. Someone of ancient age needs to get up there and try to help the lads at selection time.
I very much fear that ZA pilots of the freelance notion, are going to reap a little bit of a whirlwind. My sympathies. Go shoot the men in black.
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Been at the meths, Southie?
The SA Constitution guarantees you the right to work. If this affects that right there may be a case for the Constitutional Court to ream out the half educated new broom who's pushing all these sweeping new changes. Might be an idea to get all those affected together and hit the SACAA with a class action. As I understand it (rumours only) the CAA doesn't challenge court actions due to lack of money so it might be worth a try.
The SA Constitution guarantees you the right to work. If this affects that right there may be a case for the Constitutional Court to ream out the half educated new broom who's pushing all these sweeping new changes. Might be an idea to get all those affected together and hit the SACAA with a class action.
As I understand it (rumours only) the CAA doesn't challenge court actions due to lack of money so it might be worth a try.
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If wanted to be a fireman....I would have done the course
If I wanted to be a paramedic....I would have done the course
If I wanted to be an accident investigator....I would have done the course....
If I wanted to become a beggar of Fanny Batter, I would have asked SouthCoast to help....
S, me thinks you have spent enough time in the Sahara, think there is some sand in your keyboard again.
Its nearly rainy season, why dont you ask to move up? We will have you. At least you can hold a conversation for a minute and a half before the meths kick in.......
If I wanted to be a paramedic....I would have done the course
If I wanted to be an accident investigator....I would have done the course....
If I wanted to become a beggar of Fanny Batter, I would have asked SouthCoast to help....
S, me thinks you have spent enough time in the Sahara, think there is some sand in your keyboard again.
Its nearly rainy season, why dont you ask to move up? We will have you. At least you can hold a conversation for a minute and a half before the meths kick in.......
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thanks contrax dog...
i would love to come and join you guys, i have had enough of the rude boneheads here who just continue to talk that out dated language in the presence of a subject of her majesty...and also you do have good conversation value.
i would love to come and join you guys, i have had enough of the rude boneheads here who just continue to talk that out dated language in the presence of a subject of her majesty...and also you do have good conversation value.
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When someone holds one of the top positions in the SACAA, and this one already had an experience how to destroy the whole aviation (he did this thing in Lesotho just a few years ago), a new target for him (South African aviation) just a pleasure!
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I hear that all the experienced (read: WM) people at CAA's contracts have been cancelled.
Apparently the new head of Part 121 Operations is a 200-hour (BF) Comm pilot. Apparently less than zero knowledge of airline operations - example: she interrogated one of the airlines' chief pilots about their de-icing procedures in JNB and argued with him when he told her that de-icing isn't done in JNB!
Scary stuff.
Apparently the new head of Part 121 Operations is a 200-hour (BF) Comm pilot. Apparently less than zero knowledge of airline operations - example: she interrogated one of the airlines' chief pilots about their de-icing procedures in JNB and argued with him when he told her that de-icing isn't done in JNB!
Scary stuff.
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Sorry WW - more than just a rumour - from the horse's mouth (although can't tell which horse!).
Also heard from a high-placed source that the SACAA's status may be downgraded if they don't comply with a whole host of issues that ICAO addressed with them - if this happens it means that SA Airlines will not be able to fly to the US anymore (amongst other places).
Industry will have to stand up and force DoT to sort CAA out.... otherwise there's going to be tough times ahead for all of us.
Also heard from a high-placed source that the SACAA's status may be downgraded if they don't comply with a whole host of issues that ICAO addressed with them - if this happens it means that SA Airlines will not be able to fly to the US anymore (amongst other places).
Industry will have to stand up and force DoT to sort CAA out.... otherwise there's going to be tough times ahead for all of us.
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Maybe thats exactly what has to happen before they notice that the poor vision they have, is actually due to the shyte in their eyes. I for one, would be the first to stand at the front door of CAA and applaud them, if our operators were to lose their international priviledges. It needs to be drummed into these idiots that aviation CANNOT be run by unqualified, previously confused, now " licenced" nobodies. I hope they learn the hard way.
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Rumour has it that the SACAA is due an ICAO Audit shortly. General opinion is that it wil fail dismally.
It is such a great pity that Jeff Radebe cannot apply his mind to sort out that lot, and one can only but wonder why he's so slack about it. Rumour has it that the DoT have not yet sorted out their issues with Trevor Abrahams, and cannot appoint a new Commissioner until such time the Trevor issue have been laid to rest. (Wrongfull dismissal/cancellation of contract without notice etc.)
All I can say is that the SACAA are now becoming the laughing stock of professional aviation around the world. NO-ONE that deals/have dealt with these clowns have anything good to say about them. Then there are those that criticize them, but are not prepared to take them on.
Peter Piggot, as Chairman of the Commercial Aviation Association criticizes them in open forums, but are to afraid to go "balls to the wall" in case he gets ostracised by the goons. Its a shame! We should all stand up as a team, organise a mass march to parliament, involve COSATU if necessary, and make Jeff understand how useless both him and his CAA are. Radebe should be fired anyway. Just look what a mess he made of Public Enterprise! The result? A whitey (Alec Irwin) gets transferred from Trade and Industry to Public Enterprise to sort out all Jeff's cock ups. Makes you think huh?
It is such a great pity that Jeff Radebe cannot apply his mind to sort out that lot, and one can only but wonder why he's so slack about it. Rumour has it that the DoT have not yet sorted out their issues with Trevor Abrahams, and cannot appoint a new Commissioner until such time the Trevor issue have been laid to rest. (Wrongfull dismissal/cancellation of contract without notice etc.)
All I can say is that the SACAA are now becoming the laughing stock of professional aviation around the world. NO-ONE that deals/have dealt with these clowns have anything good to say about them. Then there are those that criticize them, but are not prepared to take them on.
Peter Piggot, as Chairman of the Commercial Aviation Association criticizes them in open forums, but are to afraid to go "balls to the wall" in case he gets ostracised by the goons. Its a shame! We should all stand up as a team, organise a mass march to parliament, involve COSATU if necessary, and make Jeff understand how useless both him and his CAA are. Radebe should be fired anyway. Just look what a mess he made of Public Enterprise! The result? A whitey (Alec Irwin) gets transferred from Trade and Industry to Public Enterprise to sort out all Jeff's cock ups. Makes you think huh?