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PIA,
the booking engine of SA Airlink is "powered by Datalex" (it is, in fact, the online booking engine of SAA). It has, to my humble knowing, nothing to do with Perform Air.
Moreover, a booking engine, its developers, and its providers do not add to the credibility of their customers. You paint the house of your neighbour and get paid for that - which says nothing about the credibility of your neighbour...
the booking engine of SA Airlink is "powered by Datalex" (it is, in fact, the online booking engine of SAA). It has, to my humble knowing, nothing to do with Perform Air.
Moreover, a booking engine, its developers, and its providers do not add to the credibility of their customers. You paint the house of your neighbour and get paid for that - which says nothing about the credibility of your neighbour...
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Foreign crew??
You need a plane before you can get crew! Just ask Stansted airport, they know nothing about civair flying out of their airport.
PS: Beware of booking tickets online, apart from the obvious reservations we all have, the site isn't even secure ie. neither is your info, credit card details etc...
By the way, the black empowerment group has decided that a stop over in Zimbabwe will solve the problem of the Durban to Stanstead route.
You need a plane before you can get crew! Just ask Stansted airport, they know nothing about civair flying out of their airport.
PS: Beware of booking tickets online, apart from the obvious reservations we all have, the site isn't even secure ie. neither is your info, credit card details etc...
By the way, the black empowerment group has decided that a stop over in Zimbabwe will solve the problem of the Durban to Stanstead route.
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Why do you think there is such a fuel shortage? - RM has been storing fuel for Civair for the last 5 years, and at the rate the airways is getting off the ground, he'll be storing it for another 5.
From what I hear the europeans are "dying" to be offloaded in ZIM.
From what I hear the europeans are "dying" to be offloaded in ZIM.
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I read somewhere this week (news report) that they had been granted both their SA & UK licences to operate & it was all go. Anyone see that report? If so please paste it in.
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Mercillessly cribbed from AirlineCrew forums. Not much new in here.
South African start-up operator Civair Airways is intending to begin low-fare long-haul services to the UK from three major cities by the end of this year.
It plans to start flights between Cape Town and London Stansted from 31 October, serving the route three times per week using a Boeing 747-300.
The carrier will follow this with a twice-weekly service between Durban and London Stansted - with a probable stopover in Johannesburg - from 1 December. It plans to use a Boeing 767-300ER on this route.
Sources for the aircraft have yet to be finalised, says the airline.
Civair is emerging from a small South African domestic general aviation and helicopter operation active since 1989 and is being backed financially by an unidentified organisation linked with South Africa's black economic empowerment efforts.
Black economic empowerment is a strategy implemented by the South African Government to ensure that the country's majority black population has a greater share of the ownership, management and control of key financial resources.
It has not disclosed the quantity of investment being put into the new long-haul airline.
A spokesman for Civair Airways says that the airline is "fairly confident" that it can make a low-fare long-haul operation work, stating that it has carried out "intensive" cost analysis on the proposed routes.
He says that it hopes to follow the basic no-frills strategy of EasyJet and Ryanair, adding: "Passengers will only have a ticket and a seat - everything else they will have to pay for [on board]."
The company is headed by managing director Andy Cluver.
Civair says that it has obtained an air services licence to operate the Stansted route from the country's transportation department and plans to open its Internet-based reservations system towards the end of April. The spokesman adds that, if the airline is successful, it will expand its operation to serve Greece and Spain next year.
Flag-carrier South African Airways and Nationwide Airlines are the only South African airlines presently operating services to London.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
Credit to Mystere IV A for posting it.
South African start-up operator Civair Airways is intending to begin low-fare long-haul services to the UK from three major cities by the end of this year.
It plans to start flights between Cape Town and London Stansted from 31 October, serving the route three times per week using a Boeing 747-300.
The carrier will follow this with a twice-weekly service between Durban and London Stansted - with a probable stopover in Johannesburg - from 1 December. It plans to use a Boeing 767-300ER on this route.
Sources for the aircraft have yet to be finalised, says the airline.
Civair is emerging from a small South African domestic general aviation and helicopter operation active since 1989 and is being backed financially by an unidentified organisation linked with South Africa's black economic empowerment efforts.
Black economic empowerment is a strategy implemented by the South African Government to ensure that the country's majority black population has a greater share of the ownership, management and control of key financial resources.
It has not disclosed the quantity of investment being put into the new long-haul airline.
A spokesman for Civair Airways says that the airline is "fairly confident" that it can make a low-fare long-haul operation work, stating that it has carried out "intensive" cost analysis on the proposed routes.
He says that it hopes to follow the basic no-frills strategy of EasyJet and Ryanair, adding: "Passengers will only have a ticket and a seat - everything else they will have to pay for [on board]."
The company is headed by managing director Andy Cluver.
Civair says that it has obtained an air services licence to operate the Stansted route from the country's transportation department and plans to open its Internet-based reservations system towards the end of April. The spokesman adds that, if the airline is successful, it will expand its operation to serve Greece and Spain next year.
Flag-carrier South African Airways and Nationwide Airlines are the only South African airlines presently operating services to London.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
Credit to Mystere IV A for posting it.
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If this airline of Mr Cluver's is backed financially by an unidentified organisation linked with South Africa's black economic empowerment efforts, does this mean that he will have affirmitive crew???
"Passengers will only have a ticket and a seat - everything else they will have to pay for (on board)." Can it be that he also supports the Small Business Development Programme ???
When i sum all this up, it reminds me of the Mtatu Madness up in Kenya
Nevertheless, i wish them all the luck and happy flying.
Cheers
"Passengers will only have a ticket and a seat - everything else they will have to pay for (on board)." Can it be that he also supports the Small Business Development Programme ???
When i sum all this up, it reminds me of the Mtatu Madness up in Kenya
Nevertheless, i wish them all the luck and happy flying.
Cheers
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Good to read that all is well and nothing has changed in CT. If you want a job and aren't scared of a challenge go fly contracts. It's not quite as challengeing as trying to get a job on that 747 but it can be alot of fun....
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See they have appointed a station manager at FACT - quite a lot of experience he has had at Sunair old and new, Pheonix and one or two other airlines, incl Comair and SAA.
They have also joined the AOC, so things must be happening.......
Not that this means much.
See British Airways are going to 12 flights a week from Oct (all with a B747-4000) and Virgin will be returning with 4 flights a week(A340-300s) increasing to 6 over Xmas - with a 600 - dont know what the dear old national airline is going to do whether they are going to increase their flights. But wonder if Civair will be able to compete with these extra flights.
Also a question for the noise abatement boffins - is a B747-200 not subj to noise penalties at Stanstead??
They have also joined the AOC, so things must be happening.......
Not that this means much.
See British Airways are going to 12 flights a week from Oct (all with a B747-4000) and Virgin will be returning with 4 flights a week(A340-300s) increasing to 6 over Xmas - with a 600 - dont know what the dear old national airline is going to do whether they are going to increase their flights. But wonder if Civair will be able to compete with these extra flights.
Also a question for the noise abatement boffins - is a B747-200 not subj to noise penalties at Stanstead??
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Leasing Delay Could Slow Civair
From Flight International:
The start-up of Civair, South Africa's first long-haul no-frills airline, may be delayed as the company is still negotiating the lease of a Boeing 747-200, writes Hilka Birns.
Civar has been advertising a start-up on 30 October between Cape Town and London Stansted, but group chief executive Andy Cluver says operations may be postponed until 3 December to give the company time to find a suitable aircraft. The carrier is evaluating a choice of 17-year-old 747-200s - all former British Airways or Virgin Atlantic Airways aircraft - from four European aircraft sources, but declined to name the potential lessors. Civair plans a 420-seat, 32in (81cm)-pitch economy class and a 22- to 25-seat business class.
The lease is to be concluded within the next month, but Civair eventually plans to buy its own aircraft. Buying is "seriously advantageous", given the rand's gain aainst the US dollar, says Cluver, adding that in a soft-currency market the lower ownership costs offset the high fuel-burn and direct operating costs associated with older aircraft.
Civair has been licensed by South Africa's department of transport and has been awarded "designated carrier" status on the South Africa-UK route. It has been awarded five slots a week at Stansted , but initially will operate only three. One flight a week will stop over at Durban before continuing to Cape Town.
Another South African new-entrant, Nationwide Airlines, began flying between Johannesburg and London Gatwick in November 2003 using an ex-Air Canada Boing 767-300ER with an all-economy configuration, but offering full in-flight services. "Our flights are operating on 70-80% load factors and some flights over December are already fully booked," says Nationwide Chief Executive Vernon Bricknell.
The start-up of Civair, South Africa's first long-haul no-frills airline, may be delayed as the company is still negotiating the lease of a Boeing 747-200, writes Hilka Birns.
Civar has been advertising a start-up on 30 October between Cape Town and London Stansted, but group chief executive Andy Cluver says operations may be postponed until 3 December to give the company time to find a suitable aircraft. The carrier is evaluating a choice of 17-year-old 747-200s - all former British Airways or Virgin Atlantic Airways aircraft - from four European aircraft sources, but declined to name the potential lessors. Civair plans a 420-seat, 32in (81cm)-pitch economy class and a 22- to 25-seat business class.
The lease is to be concluded within the next month, but Civair eventually plans to buy its own aircraft. Buying is "seriously advantageous", given the rand's gain aainst the US dollar, says Cluver, adding that in a soft-currency market the lower ownership costs offset the high fuel-burn and direct operating costs associated with older aircraft.
Civair has been licensed by South Africa's department of transport and has been awarded "designated carrier" status on the South Africa-UK route. It has been awarded five slots a week at Stansted , but initially will operate only three. One flight a week will stop over at Durban before continuing to Cape Town.
Another South African new-entrant, Nationwide Airlines, began flying between Johannesburg and London Gatwick in November 2003 using an ex-Air Canada Boing 767-300ER with an all-economy configuration, but offering full in-flight services. "Our flights are operating on 70-80% load factors and some flights over December are already fully booked," says Nationwide Chief Executive Vernon Bricknell.
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The Civair website is still advertising the first flight on 30 October and taking bookings for dates prior to 3 December, so I guess AC hasn't told everyone of his changed plans yet.
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Civair sub-chartered a helicopter from a Durban based company last year, AC paying for the 4 hour charter with his credit card, and insisting upon using his own driver. After flying for 2.2 hours the aircraft made a forced landing on the beach and was subsequently written off (Nobody hurt - I believe the CAA ruling was fuel starvation). Within 48 hours of the accident, AC was telephoning the owner of the aircraft asking for a refund for the 1.8 hours that he had paid for and hadn't been flown. As I recall, the owner agreed to return the payment when Civair returned the helicopter.......
Anyway, if the Durban - London leg involves a stopover in Zim, will UK passport holders have to pay the $55 entry visa? Could bump the costs up a bit.
Anyway, if the Durban - London leg involves a stopover in Zim, will UK passport holders have to pay the $55 entry visa? Could bump the costs up a bit.
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CIVAIR
Spoke to the owner last week, got an airplane, got the route, complying with all the Pom's crud at the mooment. The stop overs on the eraly post were hogwash - who ever heard of a jet liner landing in kleinzee ???
With regard to ZS-MUM it was an early B90 owned by Civair, but ran into engine problems after an engine overhaul. The aircraft is as of this date still standing in a hangar on the north side of Lanseria.
CIVAIR is taking bookings and selling tickets, but all the money is held in an attorneys trust account till the flight departs - seems pretty safe way of doing to me, maybe in the light of SAA's losses and financial situation - they should do it as well ???
With regard to ZS-MUM it was an early B90 owned by Civair, but ran into engine problems after an engine overhaul. The aircraft is as of this date still standing in a hangar on the north side of Lanseria.
CIVAIR is taking bookings and selling tickets, but all the money is held in an attorneys trust account till the flight departs - seems pretty safe way of doing to me, maybe in the light of SAA's losses and financial situation - they should do it as well ???