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The stop overs on the eraly post were hogwash - who ever heard of a jet liner landing in kleinzee ???
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RSQ, Where do you come from with your two posts my man? You obviously do not understand the humor as posted earlier on this thread regarding ZS-MUM & "ol Andy's way of bragging to the world about his airline. The boys were just taking the mickey out of SIF Air."Ol Andy is a bit of a talker, and he does'nt always walk the talk my man! There's a lot of people out there that are very sceptical about "Ol Andy" actuallyy pulling this thing off. You wanna know why? Coz he's let down so many people in the past my man!
First it was October, now its December. He did'nt say which year though!
Just heard that Civair's one and only helicopter pilot just resigned. "Personal reasons" being given for the step.
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Civair postponed flights
So AC thinks ..Buying (an aircraft) is "seriously advantageous"..
Perhaps having funding would be "seriously advantageous"
Has anyone actually checked the fare prices? Seems you can get better prices on other airlines, with all the frills.
Maybe AC will make some profit out of offloading passengers onto other airlines.
Perhaps having funding would be "seriously advantageous"
Has anyone actually checked the fare prices? Seems you can get better prices on other airlines, with all the frills.
Maybe AC will make some profit out of offloading passengers onto other airlines.
Join Date: May 2002
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So have the dates been set back for the service to start? I know people who have paid for tickets already and are wondering if they made the right choice. Is it still 50/50 or should they contact the credit card or travel insurance company?
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Does anyone know what is happening with Civair. Heard they had to delay their start but should be up and running from Cape Town to London in December. Would be interested to know what aircraft they are going to be using.
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A newspaper reported a few weeks ago that the first flight had been delayed to 3 December.
At that time, AC seemed to be unable to decide whether to lease an aircraft or buy one for cash.
A day or so ago, AC was quoted as saying that the latest fuel price increase was "very serious", so perhaps that will be cause for a further delay?
It's odd that the Civair website is not being used to keep the public informed. Go into it and you can book, and pay for, a ticket, but there are no announcements about aircraft, start-dates, etc.
At that time, AC seemed to be unable to decide whether to lease an aircraft or buy one for cash.
A day or so ago, AC was quoted as saying that the latest fuel price increase was "very serious", so perhaps that will be cause for a further delay?
It's odd that the Civair website is not being used to keep the public informed. Go into it and you can book, and pay for, a ticket, but there are no announcements about aircraft, start-dates, etc.
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"Ol Andy" is for sure a pipe dreamer. His helicopter company is battling severely, and there is little chance that he will ever get this airline going. When pushed in a corner, you will see how many excuses he will come up with. Rest in Peace Civair Airways!
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Heard that "Ol Clueless Cluver" still does'nt have an airplane, no money to get one or to start with, and may only be able to start sometime in the near future if his proposed deal with a BE Partner goes ahead.
I heard that he appeared before the Air Service Licensing Council this last week, and there are many things that he needs to put in place before he can ever dream of starting.
Rumour has it that its dead before its even started, and that it aint going nowhere!
I heard that he appeared before the Air Service Licensing Council this last week, and there are many things that he needs to put in place before he can ever dream of starting.
Rumour has it that its dead before its even started, and that it aint going nowhere!
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Some freinds are booken on Cviair for beginnig of November, yes they have not got their AOC but Civair has booked them on BA flight to Cape Town on the same dates instead.
This does not seem like the actions of an airline not serious about it future.
This does not seem like the actions of an airline not serious about it future.
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Why am I not surprised!
In order to save face with the people that have booked and paid online, Ol Andy is sending them to Cape Town on BA. What a joke.
This lad's not serious, for sure!
Aye yay yay Andy, what have you got yourself into?
In order to save face with the people that have booked and paid online, Ol Andy is sending them to Cape Town on BA. What a joke.
This lad's not serious, for sure!
Aye yay yay Andy, what have you got yourself into?
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Saw a telex today that said their first flight to/from Cape Town is now the 5th December.
Telex originqated from ACSA so things must be happening................................................... ........... but it did say that Civair had informed them that "their first flight would be on the 05December...."
It seems the first flight is continually being postponed...........
Telex originqated from ACSA so things must be happening................................................... ........... but it did say that Civair had informed them that "their first flight would be on the 05December...."
It seems the first flight is continually being postponed...........
Join Date: May 2002
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Hi all
Someone who booked tickets on Civair emailed them and actually got a response. The gist is that the first flight is definitely going ahead on the 4th of December and that they had two 747-200's leased and everything is OK.
They said other airlines and people were trying to 'always trying to discredit a new company'.
It would be great to know what is really going on.
Pete
Someone who booked tickets on Civair emailed them and actually got a response. The gist is that the first flight is definitely going ahead on the 4th of December and that they had two 747-200's leased and everything is OK.
They said other airlines and people were trying to 'always trying to discredit a new company'.
It would be great to know what is really going on.
Pete
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Civair is its own worst enemy. No-one else needs to "try to discredit" it: it's doing a fine job itself.
You only need to visit the Civair website to see what I mean.
No informaiton, no announcements, no attempt to keep the public informed.
The FAQs section has never contained a single word other than "come back sometime later".
BTW, the website also tells you Civair has a fleet consisting of a single B747, but will offer flights from Stansted to Durban, and Durban to Stansted, both departing on a Saturday!
Still no sign of a UK contact number.
That's the sort of rubbish which discredits Civair, not other airlines.
If AC had any sense at all, the one thing he would have ensured was perfect was the website: in this day and age, that's what creates credibility (rightly or wrongly).
My guess is, flights will start as announced. But that's about all.
Remember Avia?
You only need to visit the Civair website to see what I mean.
No informaiton, no announcements, no attempt to keep the public informed.
The FAQs section has never contained a single word other than "come back sometime later".
BTW, the website also tells you Civair has a fleet consisting of a single B747, but will offer flights from Stansted to Durban, and Durban to Stansted, both departing on a Saturday!
Still no sign of a UK contact number.
That's the sort of rubbish which discredits Civair, not other airlines.
If AC had any sense at all, the one thing he would have ensured was perfect was the website: in this day and age, that's what creates credibility (rightly or wrongly).
My guess is, flights will start as announced. But that's about all.
Remember Avia?
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Misleading advertising - is it allowed
Got nothing to do so let me play on the internet and guess what I found:
Some very impressive information on the Civair sight. If I had nothing to do with aviation I would have been very impressed - fancy hangar area ( looks very much like Aviation Business Centre to me) and even has a super (backwards) picture of a LearJet - looks very much like ZSPNP to me!!
It also says that they already ops a Boeing B747.
mmmmmmmmm
If I was booking a seat I would be very impressed but do they operate an aircraft already and a schedule already. This deceptive advertising is not right and should not be allowed.
Oh and as for their hot special of R499 one way to Standstead on the 5th December............. what you got to be joking
Some very impressive information on the Civair sight. If I had nothing to do with aviation I would have been very impressed - fancy hangar area ( looks very much like Aviation Business Centre to me) and even has a super (backwards) picture of a LearJet - looks very much like ZSPNP to me!!
It also says that they already ops a Boeing B747.
mmmmmmmmm
If I was booking a seat I would be very impressed but do they operate an aircraft already and a schedule already. This deceptive advertising is not right and should not be allowed.
Oh and as for their hot special of R499 one way to Standstead on the 5th December............. what you got to be joking
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Goldfish Jack
The answer to your question which you posed in the thread is yes . The reason being is that S.A law regards advertising as an invitation to do business and nothing more. So basically they(any comapany who advertises) are inviting you 'into the shop' so to speak in order that you may begin a negotiation process about whatever it is that you wish to purchase. I have seen items for sale in shop windows with a advertised price only to be told once I have entered that the price is now different, and almost always more expensive. You may be asking yourself how I know this, well I have a law degree and although I am not practising your question falls into the realm of private law, specifically law of contarct which was a major sublect for me. As far as I know the constitution, to which all our laws must comply, has not changed this situation. Hope this helps you out.
CB
The answer to your question which you posed in the thread is yes . The reason being is that S.A law regards advertising as an invitation to do business and nothing more. So basically they(any comapany who advertises) are inviting you 'into the shop' so to speak in order that you may begin a negotiation process about whatever it is that you wish to purchase. I have seen items for sale in shop windows with a advertised price only to be told once I have entered that the price is now different, and almost always more expensive. You may be asking yourself how I know this, well I have a law degree and although I am not practising your question falls into the realm of private law, specifically law of contarct which was a major sublect for me. As far as I know the constitution, to which all our laws must comply, has not changed this situation. Hope this helps you out.
CB
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Latest news is that ol Andy is running around Johburg with a black dude (his empowerment partner) trying to raise US$300K in a guarantee to secure the lease on the 747. To date, rumour has it that he has not yet been helped.
My two cents worth???? It ain't gonna happen.
Can you imagine someone trying to start an airline on a borrowed US$300K? If it's indeed true, then ol Andy has really lost it.
My two cents worth???? It ain't gonna happen.
Can you imagine someone trying to start an airline on a borrowed US$300K? If it's indeed true, then ol Andy has really lost it.
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Hello from a passenger
I hope no-one minds me joining in on this, but I'm in need of some help. My friends and I are travelling from Cairo to Cape Town overland, and are in the process of booking a flight back to London.
I lived in CT and was around when CivAir started advertising, so I've been telling my mates to book a flight back with them for February. It sounds from this thread that this is a bad idea - although not so bad if they get a seat on BA if CivAir let them down! I assume there's no chance of this happening in February if CivAir aren't up and running?
I hope someone can help! A £200 flight is much more appealing than £500-odd!
Thanks all
I lived in CT and was around when CivAir started advertising, so I've been telling my mates to book a flight back with them for February. It sounds from this thread that this is a bad idea - although not so bad if they get a seat on BA if CivAir let them down! I assume there's no chance of this happening in February if CivAir aren't up and running?
I hope someone can help! A £200 flight is much more appealing than £500-odd!
Thanks all
Tsamaya sentle
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You find a 200 quid - flight that might never happen appealing? You might as well lose 200 and then have to pay an extra 500 to get a new ticket. The risk is yours...