Originally Posted by Hot 'n' High
(Post 10372935)
Eutychus, I suspect you are in very good company - even amongst the Pros on here. I think you'll find all the Aviation professionals who have posted on/read this sad, sad thread, no matter how many years in the industry, will also have shaken their heads in disbelief and sadness on a significant number of occasions reading about this ......
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I do think we should be careful as a million assumptions slowly become 'fact' on this thread.
Whilst the whole duck thing is generally valid (walks like, looks like etc.), there is an absence of hard fact and fast amounts of conjecture... Just sayin' PS We're not the only ones reading this thread, and two people (with families) died... |
Originally Posted by cncpc
(Post 10372991)
I have a friend who is very experienced ex Canadian TSB investigator. He tells me that when the actual cause of an accident is determined, it rarely is what everybody originally thought it was. Or was sure it was.
I'd agree that rigorous and thorough accident investigation makes a substantial contribution to air safety and I'm not suggesting for a moment that we shouldn't do all we reasonably can in this, or indeed any other case. That said, it seems from what's been posted that there are many things that were wrong in this case that will remain wrong whatever the primary cause. In my opinion, even finding wreckage showing incontrovertible proof of catastrophic engine failure won't make conducting this flight in the manner it was conducted any more of a reasonable decision. |
Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
(Post 10373054)
I do think we should be careful as a million assumptions slowly become 'fact' on this thread.
Whilst the whole duck thing is generally valid (walks like, looks like etc.), there is an absence of hard fact and fast amounts of conjecture... Just sayin' PS We're not the only ones reading this thread, and two people (with families) died... Ironic though that before signing for Cardiff Sala got a Corporate jet and a Commercial Pilot , after signing he got a Plumber and a Piper |
Originally Posted by testpanel
(Post 10372809)
A night rating is there for a reason.....
An Instrument rating is there for a reason. An Instrument rating is a very useful rating for those with limited experience. Off course city lights may be of help..... only if you know what to look for.. But we are now flying VMC. If this "pilot" ended up at (a dark) night (over sea, with no horizon) with none of the above ratings/endorsements.... its suiside..... |
Echo Romeo/ test panel
Suicide is something a person decides on and kills them self, flying by night in IMC without the appropriate training is not suicide it is stupidity. |
Originally Posted by red9
(Post 10373111)
Ironic though that before signing for Cardiff Sala got a Corporate jet and a Commercial Pilot , after signing he got a Plumber and a Piper
It’s clear from his voice message that he expected somewhat better arrangements. What a pity he didn’t refuse to board the thing. |
There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company?
The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time? I have tried to go trough most of the posts, and might have missed this, but did they Eclipse also fly him back to France after the signing for Cardiff? Or how did he return to France after the trip on the Eclipse? I am curious to know what company is referring to when he says, it's the SAME company. |
There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company? The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time? |
Originally Posted by 2unlimited
(Post 10373198)
There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company?
The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time? I have tried to go trough most of the posts, and might have missed this, but did they Eclipse also fly him back to France after the signing for Cardiff? Or how did he return to France after the trip on the Eclipse? I am curious to know what company is referring to when he says, it's the SAME company. |
Originally Posted by Auxtank
(Post 10370728)
From the BBC Vid of DH (2015) it looks like a BK KT97 (immediately below the Strike Finder) which is Mode C
Nothing to say it didn't get an upgrade between then and now. ELT circled in red from earlier post. None of the tracking sites have Mode S data though, while most have good coverage in the area. Mode S not switched on / unserviceable? |
Looking at this thread, the sidebar advertising on my screen currently is all for Wingly. Cardiff-Jersy flights £108 per seat, Cardiff-Cherbourg for £139 per seat. Not the best place for such ads at the moment.
SND |
Originally Posted by Daysleeper
(Post 10373203)
It's all supposition and guesswork but from he voicemail and messages I think at this point he (as in Sala) had asked to where to go to get access to the aircraft and the reply means the same ground handling agent at Nantes as before.
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Mode S not switched on / unserviceable? |
Originally Posted by NAROBS
(Post 10373249)
I'm getting the impression that general view on this forum is that this type of service conforms completely to the principle of jam-pot economics i.e. if the customer is stupid enough to select this type of service provider then they deserve all they get .
You'll find that that the consensus is the opposite. That the public should be protected from being able to make uninformed decisions to become involved in this shady business of ‘sharing’. |
NAROBS No, it's not saying that - but there is a mingling of what is illegal, and what people might not like but is legal.
Like lumping weed and tobacco in together, I suppose... Some sharing is shady business, some is not. |
Originally Posted by Aireps
(Post 10373213)
N264DB is in the Airframes dot org database with a Mode S Hex code: A28E26 (ICAO24). This strongly suggests that it was Mode S equipped.
None of the tracking sites have Mode S data though, while most have good coverage in the area. Mode S not switched on / unserviceable? |
Maybe it should be mandatory that all aircraft are trackable on sites like FR24 and Radarbox etc.
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
(Post 10373240)
unlikely to take off and/or enter class D airspace without a working transponder I would say , especially at night ., not to mention entering UK airspace afterwards... Only possibility is it went u/s or inadvertently turned to SBY in flight ( still happens ) But you would at least notice its departure from NTS on FR24 then.
N264DB hasnt ever been tracked by ADS-B Exchange, who dont filter anything. |
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