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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 14:49   #7561 (permalink)
 
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The live ATC archive has vanished of their website, anyone else see this?
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 14:58   #7562 (permalink)
 
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Does anybody have a source to establish exactly how many flight hours he has on the 777?


Richard Quest was on one of his training flights in Feb (19th). So he had one to maybe three months experience on the 777.


First officer on missing jet was transitioning to 777-200s - CNN.com
Was the FO finished with his training? Has it been established whether or not this was a Line Indoctrination flight?

The Captain was an examiner so there is a good chance the FO was not fully qualified yet.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 14:59   #7563 (permalink)
 
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How do you know it didn't burn itself out before doing too much damage? The plane could have flown itself until it's fuel was exhausted.
Does not explain anything as a fire to destroy all communication etc would also render the plane's hydraulic systems and electrics to fail too, making the plane unable to continue flying for long.

Seriously, how can you believe such a theory when it turned around as we know, but not towards the airport?

Compare that to other major fires where communication of the situation on board was relayed to ATC (SR111 & SA295).
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:06   #7564 (permalink)
 
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Is it known what type of transponder MH370 had?

There are at least two configurations that I know of. One has a keypad and one has rotary selectors. Do they both automatically go to "Standby" while a new code is being selected?



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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:09   #7565 (permalink)
 
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Do they both go to "Standby" when a new code is selected?
I have operated both types and not ever gone to STBY to select a new code.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:11   #7566 (permalink)
 
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That doesn't answer the question as to whether or not they "automatically" go to standby while selecting a new code.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:28   #7567 (permalink)
 
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Excellent work Capt Kremin. Very nice graphic.

I think that many of us who fly the 777 for a living agree with you. The AP is going to follow a limited number of lateral inputs--LNAV, HDG HOLD, HDG SEL, TRK, or LOC. Plus, for LNAV we know that it is a three-step process of selecting the waypoint, executing it, and then selecting LNAV on the MCP. How many times have we had that drilled into us about "Execute then LNAV?"

At the very least, the initial turn off course and the entering and/or selection of new waypoints reveals very deliberate actions--by whom I will leave open pending further discovery and investigation. I think however, that many posters have overlooked just how deliberate those actions need to be and that they were most likely not the result of a happenstance case of hypoxia or fire brigade duties...
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:43   #7568 (permalink)
 
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Livesinafield The live ATC archive has vanished of their website, anyone else see this?
I found it here, live: LiveATC.net Worldwide Airport Coverage Map
and archives ATC Audio Archives | LiveATC.net

I've listened to most of the recordings for 3/7 and 3/8, and can't find that flight on Kuala Lumpar / WMKK ATC. Am I not looking in the right place or is it gone? I remember that the original news report said it "lost contact" with Subang (or Sepang?), so he took off under WMKK who passed him to that SZB and then contact was lost or? I couldn't find ATC for the "Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport" aka SZB.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:43   #7569 (permalink)
 
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It does get tiring when we continually have to revise and dismiss the data that we thought we knew for certain. Agree with previous poster... only certainty is that a B777 is missing.

So now the previous data that the turn inputs into the FMS that supposedly happened before the final voice transmission may not have happened after all.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:48   #7570 (permalink)
 
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. According to the World Health Organization, the rate of suicide in Malaysia is close to the lowest on the planet; a tenth or so of rates in European countries.
But, is this due to Malaysia's measurement criteria? In a society where suicide is taboo (and not saying this applies), facts on the ground may be interpreted to uphold the norms. Durkheim spoke to this in his classic Suicide.

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The rate of suicide-by-loaded-aircraft amongst pilots is vanishingly low as well; statistically it's zero plus noise. Pilot suicide is a highly unlikely explanation for this incident. Unfortunately, so are all the other possible explanations.
The commercial aircraft accident rate is also vanishingly small, too, isn't it? What % of this rate is due to pilot suicide?

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As for the culture of suicide - I think the opposite... I think that in countries such as Malaysia etc, the pride and prestige of being an airline pilot is still very high compared to the western world where it seems to have been devalued...
Agree. But perhaps this introduces other issues. Malaysia is still a traditional society, wherein individuals reach various developmental milestones at an earlier age, as the West did years ago. So, one marries at 20, is a grandparent at 53. At the same time, individuals on certain career paths --whether young women working in MNC assembly plants, or pilots flying international routes-are exposed to Western values and lifestyles. This presents problems for the young women, who are sometimes 'ruined'. They may no longer fit in to the society within which they're trapped. Could this apply to pilots as well?

SIM cards...I was able to purchase a microSIM for my unlocked cell at an airport kiosk in KK recently, without showing any ID. I paid for it in ringgits. Only Mexico seems to strictly enforce an ID requirement.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:49   #7571 (permalink)
 
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That doesn't answer the question as to whether or not they "automatically" go to standby while selecting a new code.
Yes, they do go into standby as soon as the code selector knobs or buttons are active. In the case of the keypad, it releases as soon as the 4th digit is entered, and the rotary has a 3-5 sec timeout.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:49   #7572 (permalink)
 
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So now the previous data that the turn inputs into the FMS that supposedly happened before the final voice transmission may not have happened after all.
What difference would that make...? You can turn the jet WITHOUT inputs to the FMS.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:00   #7573 (permalink)
 
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It didn't crash into the South China Sea. The plane still had power at 8:11 when the last "ping" occurred. You can't make a connection with the Inmarsat satellite without having power. That is, unless you're postulating that the plane remained intact with power and then disappeared below the surface.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:03   #7574 (permalink)
 
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Capt Kremin,

excellent post. Probably the unpublished ping arcs fit quite exactly your 197 solution. Would that be the HDG to return from IGARI to KUL ??

That may be the reason why all SAR is concentrated south.

Tim Vasquez has something identified, that could be a contrail belonging to the HDG 197 solution. INHO a must read:

Investigation of a possible "southern arc" contrail from Malaysia Flight 370 - 8 March 2014 - Weather Graphics

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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:12   #7575 (permalink)
 
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I've listened to most of the recordings for 3/7 and 3/8, and can't find that flight on Kuala Lumpar / WMKK ATC. Am I not looking in the right place or is it gone? I remember that the original news report said it "lost contact" with Subang (or Sepang?), so he took off under WMKK who passed him to that SZB and then contact was lost or? I couldn't find ATC for the "Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport" aka SZB.
MH370 departed to the East. Live ATC only covers North & West Sectors.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:21   #7576 (permalink)
 
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That may be the reason why all SAR is concentrated south

I suspect the real reason is (a) ships are useless on the north corridor and (b) noone wants a fleet of surveillance aircraft nosing around their back yard.

Note that the various north-corridor countries have verbally told the Malaysians that their radar doesn't show anything. Which suggests they haven't given them the radar data.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:29   #7577 (permalink)
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Although if a country under the possible northern flight path had not wanted to say 'Our Air Defense Radar in that sector went u/s 3 months ago and we can't afford to repair it right now' then 'Our military radar didn't detect MH370' is an entirely accurate but also entirely useless answer...
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:45   #7578 (permalink)
 
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If MH370 wreckage found in Southern Indian ocean.....

Excellent post. A/P systems mode knowledge plus navigation basic principles create a very convincing case. Thank you.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:49   #7579 (permalink)
 
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The fact that it was 370 was confirmed at a mid week conference by the minister based on a variety of data, so your sleepy byes argument is like most of your argument....
I disagree....the Chief of Air Force when asked by the media at that time, if the Air Force Radar Operator saw the air turn-back (i.e. in real-time), answered "No! We only saw a recording!"
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:51   #7580 (permalink)
 
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Any chance the INS would have become primary navigation means due to a loss of GPS? Flying ref ADIRU only?

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