Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Ukraine Crisis 2014

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Ukraine Crisis 2014

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 24th Feb 2014, 09:47
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts

In my opinion the Russians would likely be within in their rights to launch a
peacekeeping mission into the east of Ukraine to protect the Russian minority
living there.
In your opinion, were the Germans within their rights to launch a peacekeeping mission into the Sudentenland to protect the German minority living there?
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 10:26
  #62 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have seen reports on RT of attacks between pro Kiev and anti Kiev protestors in the east. Also people in the east fear that they may end up with protestors from Kiev coming there. This was on RT.
There is also talking of Russian being banned as the official second language and also talking of banning both the party of regions and the communist party.


Its nothing like Germany back then melmothtw, back then Germany was an expansionist empire! Russia these days is not an expansionist empire and simply trying to control what it already has and to protect Russian people. If anything its the west who are expansionist! The EU constantly trying to add new members even though they cannot manage what they have now! Plus the USA attempting to remove governments and regimes who refuse to obey them and replace them with something that will!
Ronald Reagan is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 10:41
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
Not surprised you should think that Ronald, if you're getting your news from RT. About as impartial and apolitical as Fox.

Yep, if there's one thing that the 2008 'intervention' in Georgia (the country, not the state) taught me it's that Russia (read; Putin) is not expansionist.

As the saying goes, 'Russia without Ukraine is a country. Russia with Ukraine is an empire.'
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 10:47
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 1,578
Received 18 Likes on 10 Posts
To be fair on RT, this morning there was barely a mention about Ukraine in their main news report. I think Putin must have gone into a massive sulk - "bl**dy Ukrainians, spoiling my $50bn Olympics extravaganza"
dead_pan is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 10:59
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
The only Russian news source that has any credibility in my view is RIA Novosti, as demonstrated by the fact that Putin is having them shutdown.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 11:09
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
RT isn't so bad. Its certainly the best media channel letting us know what is really going on. Western media though seems to just follow the party line.
I want to know what is really going on out there. Chinese and Indian news media can also be good for that.
Ronald Reagan is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 11:24
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 1,578
Received 18 Likes on 10 Posts
Come on Ronnie, its laughably & lamentably bad when towing your party's line, even to a dispassionate observer. I bet even you must cringe at some of the guff they come out with.
dead_pan is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 11:42
  #68 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
That's just too funny. I'm not naive enough to suppose that Western media is totally unbiased and neutral, but RT is on another level. The best way to know what's going on in a particular story that RT is reporting is to start from the standpoint that the facts are the opposite of what RT is saying they are. It's not an anti-Russian thing - I think the same is true of Fox News.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 11:47
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,900
Received 2,834 Likes on 1,210 Posts
Well my vision came true...

CCTV purports to show Yanukovich escaping in helicopter on MSN Video

now all i need is to see the lottery numbers

But never fear Smeagol is warning the Russsian off about taking advantage and moving in

Hague talks to Russians on Ukraine

One wonders if they are quaking in their boots or laughing their socks off?
NutLoose is online now  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 13:52
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Exit stage right.
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
A portrait of Ukraine's 'saviour' Yulia Tymoshenko by EDWARD LUCAS | Mail Online

Their saviour, then again the Ukrainian people didn't wish the Billionaire to be their president.
racedo is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:18
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 64
Posts: 7,200
Received 395 Likes on 245 Posts
LR:
In my opinion the Russians would likely be within in their rights to launch a peacekeeping mission into the east of Ukraine to protect the Russian minority living there.
They'd be better of getting to lead a UN op, if any op is even needed, but I don't think Vlad would be that patient. The deal not too long ago in re Georgia is instructive.
Mel:
In your opinion, were the Germans within their rights to launch a peacekeeping mission into the Sudentenland to protect the German minority living there?
Were the Turks within their rights in Cyprus?

Your Godwin move is both noted, and not respected.
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:25
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts

Were the Turks within their rights in Cyprus?
Under international law? No.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:36
  #73 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: 50'11N 004' 16W
Posts: 282
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
RT gives an interesting insight into alternative views of worldwide current affairs. The BBC can hardly be held as a credible alternative. If the BBC had had their way we would be currently planning an exit strategy from an Al-Qaida-led Syria around now.
The BBC, and indeed Western governments appear to hold very selective views on what constitutes democracy and when it can be sidelined.
ex_matelot is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:38
  #74 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Very well said ex_matelot, agree with you totally.
Ronald Reagan is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:52
  #75 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
And yet around the world it is the BBC that people turn to when they want to find out what is actually going on, not what their governments (or their mouthpieces, such as RT) are telling them is going on.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 14:59
  #76 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: 50'11N 004' 16W
Posts: 282
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And yet around the world it is the BBC that people turn to when they want to find out what is actually going on, not what their governments (or their mouthpieces, such as RT) are telling them is going on.
I reject that assertion. I submit to you the BBC's silence and avoidance on Harriet Harman & Co supporting the rights of paedophiles to sleep with children that has just come to light. Even the Guardian is demanding answers.

The BBC is a self-licking lollipop and the 'higher ups' appear to be all of a certain political bent. This has even been previously acknowledged by their own director general regarding reports of their bias.

Google is your friend.
ex_matelot is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 15:03
  #77 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: London
Posts: 555
Received 21 Likes on 15 Posts
I certainly used the BBC for a trustworthy viewpoint when I was in Zimbabwe. I think they do have some rather soppy left wing biases which I could adjust for but they also had an actual respect for the truth which was a lot more than was available locally. I'm surprised by human nature - that so many people seem to respect the people who hang on to power uncompromisingly rather than the ones who make their play and then give it up. My personal impression is that there are plenty of people who like the idea of being henchmen and regret that they don't have anyone bad enough to hench for.
t43562 is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 15:04
  #78 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 59
Posts: 4,261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
mel

only the information that the BBC want you to know.

the BBC is a censor as they choose what gets broadcast - as shown by the 3 labor people where they are very quiet - see the Jimmy Saville thread. it was even noted that the bbd was mute.
500N is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 15:13
  #79 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
Google is my friend:

Mark Thompson: BBC news vital to UK's overseas image | Media | theguardian.com

The BBC continues to enjoy a level of trust from audiences across the world which is unique among international news-providers

Anyhow, think we're getting a bit off topic here. My original point was that if folks rely on RT to shape their opinions of the events in Ukraine, then it comes as no surprise that they should be backing Russian intervention.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 24th Feb 2014, 15:15
  #80 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,131
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts

mel

only the information that the BBC want you to know.

the
BBC is a censor as they choose what gets broadcast - as shown by the 3 labor
people where they are very quiet - see the Jimmy Saville thread. it was even
noted that the bbd was mute.
500N, as I said earlier..

I'm not naive enough to suppose that Western media is totally unbiased and neutral, but RT is on another level.
melmothtw is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.