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Old 14th Aug 2011, 23:53   #81 (permalink)
 
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And guys, how is it doing there at AAA? Are the first graduators already in line training?

Cheers up!
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Old 15th Aug 2011, 16:57   #82 (permalink)
 
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Hi all,

Just by way of an update, I have learned recently that the Core Flying phase (70 hours) of future courses will be carried out exclusively in Australia. Also, it appears like as a result of this the course length is likely to be reduced by a couple of months...
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 00:58   #83 (permalink)
 
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Updates

There are alots of changes & updates in Alpha, one of them is the Core flying in Australia, plus some updates to MCC training & the overall reduction in the training period with a better training standard.

As for batch 1, we have just started our final A320 Sim check (Skill Test), by the end of the week, batch 1 will be finally A320 Type Rated & ready to go online in Sept. will be updating you shortly when I am back in Sharjah next week.
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Old 17th Aug 2011, 01:48   #84 (permalink)
 
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Hope to hear from you (guys) soon!
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Old 17th Aug 2011, 04:56   #85 (permalink)
 
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@Marlim

Marlim,

Been counting on your valubale updates. Want to know everything before I resign from my FO-equal job & sign my life over to AAA.

On a less professional note "MY FUTURE DEPENDS ON YOU, LOL"

Looking forward to your updates!
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Old 17th Aug 2011, 05:19   #86 (permalink)
 
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Well, now I have the time to talk & after becoming an A320 Type Rated Pilot ... here are the lated update:

1. Training in Australia is running nicely & professionally with AAPA, it was said that 2 months & one week is the planned training period for my colleagues down there, google it! here are some links:

Australian Airline Pilot Academy

AAPA begins MPL training with UAE cadets | Australian Aviation Magazine

2. The Second batch of MPL cadets will be finishing their MCC course in a few days & start their A320 stuff sometime next month & Batch 3 will start end of this month their MCC.

3. I GUESS there are 3 batches in the Ground school by now.

4. Batch One is already A320 Type Rated as of today, they still have 3 things to go, that are:

- Zero Flight Time Training (ZFT) to prepare us for the 6 TOs & Landings (which is Tomorrow) simple touch & goes on the Simulator

- 6 TOs & Landings (3 days to finish all 9...3 per day)

- English ICAO test (done in 1 hr)

All will be done sometime before Sept OR by first week of Sept, SERIOUSLY, we need a break !

@ Risk, here is some exclusive news for you, in order for Alpha to help its MPL cadets out & just incase if Air Arabia is congested with Second Officers (end of 2012), they are making some arrangements with some airlines (can't mention them) to line train them & probably send them back to Air Arabia

@ Capt Weird, thanks for the post, we will definitely keep you updated

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Old 18th Aug 2011, 22:24   #87 (permalink)
 
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Ahh great news malirm! You are saying that Air Arabia is going to be congested in 2012 with Second Officers. Isn't that a reason to be concerned about? The training isn't really cheap, but we say okay to that, we will pay, but we want the job. If they are (really) going to be congested with Second Officers, where will they fly then with their MPL's? You say that Alpha is talking with (some) other airlines to send their students to them for the line training, do you think that these airlines will take these students and offer them a jobcontract, or will Air Arabia take these students over after the line training and offer them a jobcontract, or will they sit home?

Thanks for the updates! I'm asking myself what newcadet is doing, he is a very helpfull guy too!
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Old 22nd Aug 2011, 06:24   #88 (permalink)
 
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Hello,

Does anyone know when the next batch at AAA may be starting?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 22nd Aug 2011, 06:48   #89 (permalink)
 
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@Marlim & drc_10

Marlim:

I believe Captain.weird has already perfectly captured the question that came into my mind when I saw your post... Your mention of the word 'congested' suggests that AA is not prepared or rather will be unreceptive (more scary) to future cadets as they will reach saturation. On the other hand it also shows that AAA's MPL program is a success but that is just my political side talking... Truth is, it is a bit disconcerting to see that there will be 'congestion'. I like your use of the word though. It makes it sounds like, yes there will be a slight delay, but you'll make it through.... and rightfully so, it seems that they are on the right track in talking to other airlines. What needs to be looked at is if these airlines actually absorb these cadets instead of Air Arabia & that would be great... I don't need to explain why now do I...

Well all in all, every post of yours shines another ray of hope...

drc_10

As per my last chat with Mr. Peter from AAA the next batch was to start in Nov/Dec. There is a new batch every 4 months...
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Old 22nd Aug 2011, 08:47   #90 (permalink)
 
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Thank you Risk - that's helpful to know.
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Old 23rd Aug 2011, 22:23   #91 (permalink)
 
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Guys, I used the word Congested, as I really mean it, you are talking about over 60 SOs in one airline!!! the reason for talking to other airlines is that our Head Of Training (HOT) (one of the greatest Captains I have ever met), doesn't want anyone to wait or get delayed, we are talking about a week to 2 weeks off between each training phases (nowadays), not like what happened to us, stayed 7 months at home after ground school, then another 2 months after flying, then another 3 months after MCC...this is now HISTORY, and in order for Alpha to keep its word and not do the same mistake that it did with us (Air Arabia were a little concerned about how the training flows), they are suggesting that SOME of the batches (Late batched) could line train with A320 operators & then come back to Air Arabia as FOs the latest is that Fly Dubai has reduced its requirements for hiring Pilots, will or has already opened their Cadet Pilot Program AND Etihad's Terminal 3 is already small for the Airline, away from Qatar Airways & Emirates !!!

Guess what...I heard it on Sunday, A great pilot shortage is expected in the coming few months with the A320, 737 & 787 deliveries in the region...I was discussing it with a couple of Captains & FOs here & there, it is really strange to realise that now

Talking about Scary, well, its true, from the time I decided to get into Pilot training, it was all about RISK, but I weighed CPL/IR + a Type Rating & Flight time on A320 with MPL, I say MPL will have better chances nowadays...especially if we (the first batches) do good

RISK, to be honest, most probably with that Pilot shortage, I guess a fresh CPL/IR graduate will be getting a job on Jets

Please guys don't think I am marketing for Alpha or Air Arabia, I am just providing you with what I believe & what I experienced & heard
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 00:59   #92 (permalink)
 
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Ahh thanks malirm for your post! That clears everything. So Air Arabia can't train all those S/O's in one time, so they have to spread them over a few airliners for their linetraining, whereafter they can join the Air Arabia club. Nice to hear! I'm just waiting now my time just to see how you guys (the first batches) are dealing with this. Are you guys going to get the job or will they refuse it. It's very exciting.

When will you start linetraining?

Goodluck with it!

FlyDubai doesn't have any cadet pilot programme dude.
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 09:06   #93 (permalink)
 
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@Marlim

I understood your use of the word but was concerned 'AT' its use. Yes, having a heap of SO(s) is obviously not ideal, but then so is having a heap of FO(s) not ideal. What I mean to say is, AA will say 'enough' sooner or later.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.... But yeah, very sorry to hear that you had to spend all that time at home...

About Fly Dubai, firstly, FD does not have A320(s), they have B737(s), so I don't reckon they would accept A320 MPL graduates... or at least I don't think the syllabus would allow that & neither would the GCAA. Secondly, FD takes their pilots from CTC & they do not have a cadet program. Yes Etihad is growing bigger & its pants are getting tighter, but they only want braded clothes (experienced flyers), won't take Karama stuff (new flyers) ...

About the pilot shortage, let me give you an 'insiders-insight' , so let's compare ALTEON (Boeing's training division) forecast, Boeing's forecast in 2010 & then again in 2011

ALTEON in 2008: Middle-east: 17,500

BOEING in 2010 (Source: Flight International, 21/09/10): Boeing forecasts a global need for 448,000 new airline pilots to enter the industry over the next 20 years.... .....the Middle East 23,000.

BOEING in 2011 (Source: Le Bourget, France, 22/06/11, PRNewswire): The Boeing outlook indicates that by 2030 the aviation industry will require 460,000 new commercial airline pilots..... .....Middle East will require 36,600 pilots.

So as you can see, the forecast of Boeing is increasing incrementally. In fact I was as at a Boeing's symposium recently in Seattle, US & the last topic on day 2 was about how airlines should address the global shortage of pilots.

Donít worry Marlim, we know you aren't marketing for them, thatís why the trust bro!
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 19:35   #94 (permalink)
 
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@ RISK & Capt Weird

I understand that MPL currently applies to A320, but, you can apply the changes to the last bit of the training Phase of the MPL to meet the Type Rating for ANY jet, Fly Dubai had a visit to our academy long time back, as per Mr Peters, I can't say anything about what Etihad & Emirates what will they be doing to fill their Cockpits, but I know & I am sure about it, Etihad is preparing to accept MPL once they see the outcome of Alpha, that is a confirmed news & I have an email about it from them

In the middle of this Pilot shortage, where airlines in this region are feeling/noticing it badly...I guess all experienced pilots will go for well paying airlines & run away from Air Arabia, Al Jazeera & all these small airlines (comparatively) thus, giving us more space, still, we are in a flexible ground, maybe alpha won't need to line train the MPLers out & keep them for Air Arabia...

The Pilot Training Business is rolling now, trust me, if an airline comes with a suggession to Alpha to train MPLer for another type of aircraft, they will come out with it

As for the line training, I have been asked to submit copies of some of my training documents to Air Arabia to arrange for us the line training, guess Sept is a date as far as I know, we will start observing flights 8 sectors or so, then PNF for 8 sectors, then PF, as far as I heard from here & there, but what I know & have seen, Air Arabia has one of the best line training Syllabus in the region

Hope that I can update you soon, when/where ever possible !!!

Thanks for the trust

Oh, BTW, Fly Dubai will be taking the Emirates Emarati cadets for a couple of hours before they are released to Emirates, plus, Emirates Aviation College has opened its flight training to non-Emaratis for 600,000 AED, here's the link !

Emirates Aviation College - Training Courses

Guess what...600,000 AED they call it Ab-Initio, but don't really mention ANYTHING about type rating or about the later stages, but it mentions in the FAQs that there are no Job Guarantees with Emirates, Fly Dubai or any other airline !!! Thanks for making life easier for Mr. Peters & Alpha

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Old 29th Aug 2011, 04:56   #95 (permalink)
 
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To all

Another 'insiderís insight':

ALL, yes, ALL, major airlines in this region are contemplating MPL seriously. Since I am employed I can't name & say it directly (you all know of the previous incident of Etihad & PPRuNe), but TRUST me, Marlim is right.

....and if any traditionalist PILOT tells you otherwise, tell him to get a medical done because such decisions are not made by flying pilots. They are made by pilots sitting in cushy chairs & big offices who have a better outlook of the problem & have calm heads & have already overcome their frustrations in life.... and in some cases they are made by non-pilots! PLUS, airlines are airlines, because they want to make money, thatís it! So the faster they can get their 'workers' the better for them...

I know this might sound a bit demeaning to pilots, but that is the reality. I am too a 'worker' we all are...

Anyhow, basically, MPL, MPL, MPL!

About the EAC courseÖ Again, no comments but they will only run the course if the minimum number of students sign up... there is no affiliation to any airline (even though EAC is owned by EK). You get a fATPL & the other CPL/IR stuff...

About AAA:

So Marlim, your date is in September & by when do you expect to be a fully-fledged FO in AA? I want to calculate the exact time I will be out of a (GREAT PAYING) job & riding a bicycle TILL I start earning again...

When is the next batch going into this 8 sectors stage?
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 01:00   #96 (permalink)
 
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@ RISK

Thanks for the Latest news

As for our training, all of us (The First Batch & HOT agreed to get 2 Weeks Off as the last Vacation) before the 12 Take Offs & Landings then an immediate line training, as I said, Air Arabia has already got the required documents to start preparing for our line training, I guess we will hear from them soon for a couple of courses.

By Mid of Sept around 15th, we will be ready to go to the line, before that we will be doing some courses with Air Arabia that include Safety, Dangerous Goods, Performance, A320 ground school exam agian (Air Arabia's Requirement) & First Aid training...etc.

By the end of Sept more line training Captains will be ready to take us, there are currently 20 Captains, I guess 5 or more are coming, this makes atleast 25% increase in production, I guess 3 to 4 months will be the period (it depends on the individual's Performance), its a busy month for Air Arabia, as more FOs are becoming Captains & more Captains are becoming TRI/Es & line training Captains...etc.

Once I get a time frame I will be providing it for you, but just for limiting the excitement, I can say, it will take 6 months for the First Batch to be line trained...

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@Working professionals in UAE wanting a change

Right, so here we are in this country, some by birth & some because of a decision made by our parents & some by our own accords. A lot of us or our parents made that decision for a variety of reasons, but I reckon the most prominent of them all is finances.

So here we are (repeat)... because we can earn more than in our own countries. General rule of a place that you live in, including a small village, is that you become one of them. In fact that is a famous saying in Arabic & the stay period in the saying is a mere 40 days. Here, you are always a passenger... My point is that we have one & only aim, money, which will eventually lead us to good life (yes we forget that religion could do the same...but that is another discussion).

So my parents, well actually my dad (I come from a very traditional family) started to work at the age of 7, that too as a labourer... today he has kids that are highly educated in western countries & he still maintained his responsibilities as a traditional person (this part can only be understood by people who know).

All in all, he made something out of us, if not of himself, so that today we can sit on a cushy chair & reap the benefits of his hard work...

Sorry I am drifting, back to the point...

Today, I sit on that cushy chair, making him proud; giving him the feeling of security that I am there to back him up if need be.... but inside my very calm exterior is a brewing storm. I want to put everything that he worked hard for & I have accomplished on the line for a fluttering hope... to fly.

There are absolutely no guarantees that I will be lucky as the first time & i will lose everything... & like I started my post with... I will lose the reason why we are in this country... & my parentsí hard work...

If I was say in a western country... I would possibly have been naturalized within five years & if I had to take this risk at least there would be support for me... but not here. We are on our own.

Now I open this page every day, hoping that someone I know by the name of Marlim would post something that would be so amazingly eye opening that it would answer all my questions...like a God sent answer... Donít get me wrong, Marlim is the MOST useful person on this forum; his posts are invaluable! But what I am referring to is those questions that you normally will ask God... "Is this right for me?., Will I make it?, If I make this decision will I work for a major airline in about 5 years?"

Anyhow, I donít know why I am writing all this, but I guess I have been looking at this page & didnít see anything change... so wanted to see a new post, even if itís my own...

In essence, if any of you out there want to fly, DO IT EARLY! Donít wait like me.... I wanted to make others happy, but what I have realised is that those people who you are trying to make happy by doing things they want..... Are actually asking you to do those things because they think that doing that will make you happy... see the circle??

So make yourself happy & they will become happy when they see you happy... just donít go overboard... you know what I mean... donít apply this rule to everything in life.... but to a few that are definite.

Signing off...
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@ Risk

What a great post, this is reality for 99.99% of all expats here!!! I also open this page every now & then & find out there are no posts...

I have a very small update, the title is "Contract with Air Arabia", we finally got the chance to get a look on our contracts with Arabia, it is a SO training Contract that mentions a FO contract at the end of the training (Depending on your performance & the company requirements...both are covered with god's will)...the only problem with that contract is the BIG/HUGE Financial Guarantees from the Cadet's side...which is DANGEROUS after paying the whole 440K paid for the MPL, I won't mention/add anything about/to the contract as of this moment, there is alot going on between Alpha/Air Arabia for the first Batch (probably the next batches), as they know that we are financially exhausted, Mid Sept is closing up, we will have congested weeks ahead, prayers please

Risk, please don't give up on your dream, I had a stormy 3 years of my life, but reading a contract that has my name on it...gave me the best ever feeling of my career trajectory I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED...Probably fireworks next week
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Old 7th Sep 2011, 23:18   #99 (permalink)
 
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Haha risk and malirm! Me too! I'm everyday lookin' if this topic is bumped up in the middle east section.

Risk: I totally understand you bro! Just go for your dream! Are you already an airline pilot or do you want to become one!

Malirm: wish you all the best dude! I'm now a student studying at a regular university.. I really want to make it as an airline pilot, but I'm really scared of all those stories.. If I think that I can't get a job, I would be totally screwed!!
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@Marlim/Captain.weird

Thanks for the support guys...

Marlim, I must ask you of these financial implications you spoke about... That is if you can say or at least PM me...

Secondly, the next batch is starting in Dec/Jan 2011/2012... plus I reckon that you guys will be flying by 15th....yaaaaay!

AAA has about 80 students & I believe AA requires 139 pilots by 2015... so still some space...

The official course length is now 14 months which is good... and I believe just this month about 5 pilots handed in their resignations...

SOOO, not so bad aye?

Captain Weird; I did what you are doing... I went to a f*@#ing university instead of a flying school and became an ENGINEER.... which is great... but guess what... I can DESIGN aircraft... I can MAINTAIN aircraft, I can disassemble & assemble an aircraft... but what is the best part of aviation... FLYING... and guess what.... I can't fly... yes I CAN'T fly with my degree... it is surely getting me big monies, but that stupid worm up my backside is still bothering me & biting me every time I sit down & tell me to get up & fly!

Plus, I am a GEEK... so the fun part of an Engineering degree is designing... and guess what... given my nationality & my religion and so on... I canít get a job in that sector because all those jobs are either in the US of the EU... both of which are IMPOSSIBLE to enter directly purely on the basis of your knowledge... so at the end I am stuck in the APU exhaust

So back to the point, if flying is what you really want, do it NOW or forever remain silent...... or you will end up like me a talkative old man

Anyhow, 0.5 million Dirhams is a lot & not easy to come up with... so I guess it really boils down to that doesn't it...

Trust me as time goes by, Pilots jobs will increase & demand will too... within the next 5 years will be a great time to be a pilot...

I will get back to work now
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