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Jet* International Aircraft order tomorrow.
10-12 frames to Jetstar. With the majority of the new deliveries theirs before QF mainline.
Pay deal signed with Jetstar Oz already.
No deal to be entered into with QF mainline pilots over Jetstar Int.
Pay deal signed with Jetstar Oz already.
No deal to be entered into with QF mainline pilots over Jetstar Int.
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A330s I imagine. Dixon said he wanted JQI to be operating by late 2006 and QF's 1st 777s(my guess) won't arrive until 2007.
10-12 frames for JQI is in the ball park I had envisaged and just shows the bulk of tomorrow's order will be for QF mainline, with possibly some goodies for AO and FJ.
I still think 330s and then 350s for JQI and 777/787 for QF.
Maybe we will find out tomorrow, but don't hold your breath.
10-12 frames for JQI is in the ball park I had envisaged and just shows the bulk of tomorrow's order will be for QF mainline, with possibly some goodies for AO and FJ.
I still think 330s and then 350s for JQI and 777/787 for QF.
Maybe we will find out tomorrow, but don't hold your breath.
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My info is that it will be crewed (Jetstar Int) on a totally separate basis to the Oz operation (ie. 320 pilots remain 320, while others are employed on a different contract by a separate company for the new types). Mainline pilots will be somewhat placated by the planned growth in their jobs.
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Management have stated that they envisage the Intl operation being part of a separate division of Jetstar (like AN Domestic and International).
Obviously, many many details to be worked out and we'll all find out more in due course. They've also said they're looking at either the A350 or B787 in the long term - as for the short term, I suppose that depends on how much money gets thrown JQ's way.
Will be a very interesting 12 months if tomorrow is any indication.
As for AO going, not too sure about that. JQ Intl is going to be a 'pay for everything' service...you want a meal? You pay for it. You want a blanket? You pay for that too. That's according to the current plan by Management and Alan Joyce. Not sure if the Japanese market would sustain that kind of product (they never have and I doubt they would...not that many large low cost airlines flying into or out from Japan as far as I am aware).
Obviously, many many details to be worked out and we'll all find out more in due course. They've also said they're looking at either the A350 or B787 in the long term - as for the short term, I suppose that depends on how much money gets thrown JQ's way.
Will be a very interesting 12 months if tomorrow is any indication.
As for AO going, not too sure about that. JQ Intl is going to be a 'pay for everything' service...you want a meal? You pay for it. You want a blanket? You pay for that too. That's according to the current plan by Management and Alan Joyce. Not sure if the Japanese market would sustain that kind of product (they never have and I doubt they would...not that many large low cost airlines flying into or out from Japan as far as I am aware).
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"As for AO going, not too sure about that. JQ Intl is going to be a 'pay for everything' service...you want a meal? You pay for it. You want a blanket? You pay for that too. That's according to the current plan by Management and Alan Joyce. Not sure if the Japanese market would sustain that kind of product (they never have and I doubt they would...not that many large low cost airlines flying into or out from Japan as far as I am aware)."
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The LCC model is unproven/untried in the longhaul international arena.
Cattle class 767's have flown from Europe to Australia over the years.
Monarch comes to mind.
Those who tried them invariably said, "never again"........
"As for AO going, not too sure about that. JQ Intl is going to be a 'pay for everything' service...you want a meal? You pay for it. You want a blanket? You pay for that too. That's according to the current plan by Management and Alan Joyce. Not sure if the Japanese market would sustain that kind of product (they never have and I doubt they would...not that many large low cost airlines flying into or out from Japan as far as I am aware)."
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The LCC model is unproven/untried in the longhaul international arena.
Cattle class 767's have flown from Europe to Australia over the years.
Monarch comes to mind.
Those who tried them invariably said, "never again"........
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It's my experience that the 'never again' statement is usually forgotten at the next seat sale. Jetstar - like Easyjet, etc - has a constant stream of people wanting to fly them because it suits their budget, needs, etc. They have a market, and they fill the seats. It's a very different world from a decade ago, where service and product were EVERYTHING.
Whilst the whole LCC thing has been done to a small extent with UK charter carriers and the like (with the exception of complimentary meals, etc), it's the 'pay for food, etc' concept on long haul flights that has me REALLY worried - particularly as Australians haven't been exposed to anything like it before. Jetstar domestic was a BIG adjustment...can you imagine it on a 10 hour flight?
The idea for extending the pay as you go service to International comes from the school of thought that 'well, not everyone wants to eat on a flight. If they want to eat, they can buy a meal'. Suffice to say, there won't be a meal for each passenger as this would create a great deal of wastage. Oh no...on a flight of 300 odd pax, expect about 120 meals to be loaded thereabouts. Bad luck if everyone wants to eat - particularly at airports with bad/mediocre food facilities at odd times of the day/night.
If anything, I hope they at least provide comp food/meals. Not that I'm an airline food freak, but I can see big problems afoot...
Whilst the whole LCC thing has been done to a small extent with UK charter carriers and the like (with the exception of complimentary meals, etc), it's the 'pay for food, etc' concept on long haul flights that has me REALLY worried - particularly as Australians haven't been exposed to anything like it before. Jetstar domestic was a BIG adjustment...can you imagine it on a 10 hour flight?
The idea for extending the pay as you go service to International comes from the school of thought that 'well, not everyone wants to eat on a flight. If they want to eat, they can buy a meal'. Suffice to say, there won't be a meal for each passenger as this would create a great deal of wastage. Oh no...on a flight of 300 odd pax, expect about 120 meals to be loaded thereabouts. Bad luck if everyone wants to eat - particularly at airports with bad/mediocre food facilities at odd times of the day/night.
If anything, I hope they at least provide comp food/meals. Not that I'm an airline food freak, but I can see big problems afoot...
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Mr Seatback 2,
Could not agree with you more. The thought of long haul flights with tired,hungry pax looking through their 'jetshop cafe' menu for a meal scares me. I fear that levels of air rage will increase as pax will be fed up with putting their hand back into their pockets to reach for more cash to pay for items which they have not had to in the past. They will be tired, hungry and thirsty and this is not something the Japanese in particular will go along with - hence why I truly believe that rumours surrounding the closure of AO are garbage.
There is still a place for a LCC full service leisure carrier. One only hopes that some of the new a/c on the order list end up painted in ochre.
Could not agree with you more. The thought of long haul flights with tired,hungry pax looking through their 'jetshop cafe' menu for a meal scares me. I fear that levels of air rage will increase as pax will be fed up with putting their hand back into their pockets to reach for more cash to pay for items which they have not had to in the past. They will be tired, hungry and thirsty and this is not something the Japanese in particular will go along with - hence why I truly believe that rumours surrounding the closure of AO are garbage.
There is still a place for a LCC full service leisure carrier. One only hopes that some of the new a/c on the order list end up painted in ochre.
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It should be noted that Britannia have successfully flown to Australia from the UK and funnily enough, have just commenced their season to Sydney and Perth. Both done with cattle class and the other product premium cattle class.
Sounds a bit like the Jetstar International formula to me.
It should be noted that Britannia have successfully flown to Australia from the UK and funnily enough, have just commenced their season to Sydney and Perth. Both done with cattle class and the other product premium cattle class.
Sounds a bit like the Jetstar International formula to me.
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"have just commenced their season to Sydney and Perth. "
Yes, they are not a scheduled operator.
I get the impression DickSon thinks they [Longhaul LCC] can be more than a niche player......
Forgive me for saying so but bogans, westies and chavs don't [generally] holiday far from home.
"have just commenced their season to Sydney and Perth. "
Yes, they are not a scheduled operator.
I get the impression DickSon thinks they [Longhaul LCC] can be more than a niche player......
Forgive me for saying so but bogans, westies and chavs don't [generally] holiday far from home.
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Quote: Forgive me for saying so but bogans, westies and chavs don't [generally] holiday far from home.
You've clearly not been to Gatwick South in a while, then.
VS to Miami and Orlando, loads of charter flights to the Caribbean, Goa, Maldives, etc. - more Burberry, Prada and D&G than you can shake a stick at. (And then there are the punters... )
After the shocking events in Bali in recent years, my wedge would be on directs to the Maldives and Fiji and New Cally getting popular again. Especially for the Maldives, something bigger than a 738 will be required. Given the right equipment, it won't take much to extend that up to Europe; all that really would be needed is someone (eg. Switzerland?) willing to give out a fifth-freedom. Then it'll only be a few bogans/chavs going the whole way, with most just doing the sort of 8-9-10 hr tightly-packed-in stretch most Europeans are already very familiar with.
You've clearly not been to Gatwick South in a while, then.
VS to Miami and Orlando, loads of charter flights to the Caribbean, Goa, Maldives, etc. - more Burberry, Prada and D&G than you can shake a stick at. (And then there are the punters... )
After the shocking events in Bali in recent years, my wedge would be on directs to the Maldives and Fiji and New Cally getting popular again. Especially for the Maldives, something bigger than a 738 will be required. Given the right equipment, it won't take much to extend that up to Europe; all that really would be needed is someone (eg. Switzerland?) willing to give out a fifth-freedom. Then it'll only be a few bogans/chavs going the whole way, with most just doing the sort of 8-9-10 hr tightly-packed-in stretch most Europeans are already very familiar with.
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Maybe the ochre 767s might get painted orange pending delivery of 787s in medium term?
Maybe the bulk, but I think not all, of the seconded QF mainline guys/girls will head back to an expanding mainline opening up opportunities for others to progress/return.
But equally possible the 330s
may get transfered to J* as a nucleus pending their replacements either from Boeing or Airbus...I think Boeing might be a good guess myself...or is that wishfull thinking
Certainly with A320s already on line another Airbus type would have some appeal...unless the stories you hear about the 330s are true
will be very interesting to watch.
Maybe the bulk, but I think not all, of the seconded QF mainline guys/girls will head back to an expanding mainline opening up opportunities for others to progress/return.
But equally possible the 330s
may get transfered to J* as a nucleus pending their replacements either from Boeing or Airbus...I think Boeing might be a good guess myself...or is that wishfull thinking Certainly with A320s already on line another Airbus type would have some appeal...unless the stories you hear about the 330s are true will be very interesting to watch.
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The Japanese wouldn't stand for an LCC like Jetstar Intl with 'value added' meals, etc. There was a big enough battle for AO to codeshare with JL on CNS-NRT...could you imagine Jetstar going EVEN FURTHER?
I heard from someone high up in JQ mgmt that the QF A330's can't be transferred over to us because they're already committed to QF's flying schedules. The parent carrier won't cut their own neck to suit ANY subsidiary where a higher yield can be achieved.
Whilst A330's wouldn't be too far wrong in my personal opinion, me thinks they would be leased from somewhere rather than from the parent carrier.
Although...I could be wrong!
I heard from someone high up in JQ mgmt that the QF A330's can't be transferred over to us because they're already committed to QF's flying schedules. The parent carrier won't cut their own neck to suit ANY subsidiary where a higher yield can be achieved.
Whilst A330's wouldn't be too far wrong in my personal opinion, me thinks they would be leased from somewhere rather than from the parent carrier.
Although...I could be wrong!
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A bloke I know close to the action in J* reliably informed me that Jetstar Int will be crewed by current JQ pilots !
CASA has approved, in principle, CCQ op's A320/A330 if this is the interim type.
JPC (J* Pilot Council) is currently in lockup with the company in discussions over the issue of pay and conditions. an in principle agreement is imminent.
CASA has approved, in principle, CCQ op's A320/A330 if this is the interim type.
JPC (J* Pilot Council) is currently in lockup with the company in discussions over the issue of pay and conditions. an in principle agreement is imminent.
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I'd be surprised if any QF A330's go to Jetstar. The-300's are a hit with the punters, especially with the skybed and the IFE (when it is working properly, but they seem to have ironed most of the kinks out) and the -200s going to Perth and back are generating a substantial amount of the domestic operations profits. (note that you don't see J* going to Perth... there is a reason for that...)
Time will tell I guess.
Time will tell I guess.
Nunc est bibendum
And there it is.....the 'bus' has finally gotten to Borg and warped his mind. Resistance really IS futile!
What QF REALLY needs is to buy another couple of dozen 744s! 
What QF REALLY needs is to buy another couple of dozen 744s!