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Old 19th Apr 2017, 11:54   #6061 (permalink)
 
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Top 30 Routes for 2017 (Jan to Mar)

Some interesting figures with some Eastern European routes down

Amsterdam 173,771 (+42%)
Copenhagen 172,294 (-4%)
Bucharest 128,630 (+22%)
Geneva 127,171 (+92%)
Budapest 126,297 (0)
Barcelona 109,283 (+143%)
Warsaw 98,941 (+18%)
Dublin 82,832 (+2%)
Paris 76,080 (+19%)
Belfast 72,276 (0)
Edinburgh 70,712 (+21%)
Tel Aviv 68,193 (+14%)
Katowice 66,537 (-7%)
Vilnius 64,660 (+8%)
Cluj-Napoca 64,063 (+19%)
Sofia 59,802 (0)
Glasgow 56,874 (+7%)
Kaunas 52,102 (+158%)
Gdansk 51,852 (-6%)
Tenerife 50,210 (+61%)
Reykjavik 46,182 (+27%)
Alicante 41,956 (+14%)
Malaga 41,257 (+18%)
Zurich 40,564 (+93%)
Riga 39,144 (-1%)
Berlin 39,062 (+5%)
Poznan 36,815 (+1%)
Iasi 34,595 (+64%)
Lisbon 33,503 (+38%)
Lanzarote 29,989 (+19%)
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 07:35   #6062 (permalink)
 
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Thomson

So just 2 aircraft it seems from TOM next year, down to 26 weekly departures

Cancelled Routes
Antalya
Bourgas
Heraklion
Skiathos

Frequency Cuts
Corfu
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Menorca
Palma Mallorca
Paphos
Tenerife-South
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 08:17   #6063 (permalink)
 
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Anyone know why Thomson are cutting back so much next year- is this a capacity cut or are they placing more PAX on other airlines? Are bookings down for this year or yields lower?
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 08:31   #6064 (permalink)
 
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Anyone know why Thomson are cutting back so much next year- is this a capacity cut or are they placing more PAX on other airlines? Are bookings down for this year or yields lower?
Perhaps Jet2 setting up shop up the road with 7 aircraft this summer has stole a few customers?
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 09:22   #6065 (permalink)
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When one thinks that Luton in years gone by was known as a charter airport with over 3 million charter passengers in the days of Court Line and around 2 million passengers up until 1995 has seen that part of the business has all but disappear.

Luton's bottom of the table customer reviews and customer experience won't have helped matters either when families decide where to fly from.
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 17:28   #6066 (permalink)
 
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Looks like Transavia flights to Paris Orly, might be coming to an end from October. Nothing bookable from November onwards from Luton, but flights from other destinations to Orly, are all available.
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 17:52   #6067 (permalink)
 
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Seems that Luton's lost Thomson 737 is being transferred to Gatwick next year. Passengers voting with their feet? Can't say I would want to use Luton if I was living in North London if there was an alternative airport. Last years shenanigans could well have affected this years bookings which is reflected in next years cutback.

Anyone arriving by car last year could well have faced massive delays to travel the last mile. The shuttle bus from the station remains a nightmare with even the bendy buses now filled to capacity with two smaller standard single decker buses seemingly permanently replacing two of the larger capacity buses. Who in there right mind would want to use that mode of transport with a load of suitcases for a 2 week holiday with kids? Once inside the terminal it was standing room only last year and this year it will be little better.

Add to that Thomson flights from Gatwick are usually cheaper means that Luton has very little appeal.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 06:11   #6068 (permalink)
 
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Luton really is the hell hole it has envisioned itself to become.

I have never known for such a development to drag out for such a long time. It has looked like a construction site for the past two years and things do not seem to be getting better.

Long delays to the airport (thanks to some idiot putting a pedestrian crossing just as you drive into the drop off point) along with poor landside service (especially with the lack of seating in the duty free) has really affected the airport greatly.

I remember last summer I arrived back into Luton in the evening. Passport control took 25 minutes (and that was on a good day!) and it took over an hour to receive my checked in luggage. No staff member around apart from one poor chap who was surrounded and yelled at by a forming angry mob. His customer service was beyond poor and that helped contribute to the mob becoming even angrier.

The sooner they flatten Luton Airport to the ground and spend a good 6 months building up back up the better in my view. Once easyJet realise that it is time to close up shop there and transfer everything over to Heathrow then we can really say goodbye to Luton Airport. After all, it was Airline (the TV series) which helped rocket Luton Airport into stardom!
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:12   #6069 (permalink)
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While I agree with much of the above post it is somewhat spoiled by the last paragraph.

The problem with the development is that it is in the passengers faces rather than hidden away but for Luton it can't be any other way due to constants on the land available and ever rising passenger numbers. Also work can only be done in a set order rather than the most urgent issues being tackled first with at least another years worth of work on the terminal before it is finished.


I totally agree that someone has cocked up big time with the drop off zone which just adds to the long list of bad designs. In recent years we have seen arriving cars having to cross the path of cars trying to leave. A set of traffic lights on the CTA roundabout that only lasted a matter of days and pay barriers on the exist lanes to the drop off zone which would bring traffic to a standstill. I think all of the above has happened in the last 5 years and now we have a single lane with 4 planned pedestrian crossings.

If Luton was flattened it would take longer than 6 months to rebuild it, more like 2 or 3 years and what would happen to the existing traffic? I don't see the other London airports absorbing 15 million passengers.

With work starting on the new station and cut and cover tunnel out of the CTA around the end of the year there is a few more years of work until 2021 before it is all finished.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:39   #6070 (permalink)
 
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The reduction of TOM capacity next Summer is part of a bigger picture to relocate various aircraft across bases (STN is loosing its long-haul operation)

TOM loads from LTN are historically very good, but obviously its been decided that the 737 can be better deployed elsewhere. There are other issues such as crewing that also can come into play here (and the need to protect the valuable LGW slots).......but the chaos in the terminal area of the last few years will certainly not have helped!

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:45   #6071 (permalink)
 
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Looks like Transavia flights to Paris Orly, might be coming to an end from October. Nothing bookable from November onwards from Luton, but flights from other destinations to Orly, are all available.
Maybe we will see Vueling pick up the route either from Orly or Charles de Gaulle.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 12:37   #6072 (permalink)
 
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Surely the airport is actually happier that Thomson have released a plane from LTN. One plane on some days would do one flight a day and that was it. Now Thomson will use both planes to the maximum with less sitting around. Also the space has left it for someone else to base the plane here and make more of the based plane. Thomson are only there for peak season and the airport will surely benefit from them reducing and someone else having it for the whole summer. Also heard that it could be 2 757's with the other 737-8 switching with an 757 from LGW.

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 12:47   #6073 (permalink)
 
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Boeing 737-8 makes a good point. LTN never was a three aircraft base in the strict sense of the word, with w-patterns and days when not all aircraft were used- it was said this allowed for maintenance. There are few routes actually being lost and I am not sure if Thomson book pax on to other services all destinations except possibly Anatalya and Skiathos are served by other operators from LTN so this is theoretically possible. When making comparisons with charter in days of yore the frequency of flights to most IT destinations is far higher these days with many making their own arrangements -I know a family of four going to PMI with EASY with self booked apratment and diving.

Deployment to ABZ for Thomson makes sense - self arranging is less possible from there.

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 14:23   #6074 (permalink)
 
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A320ECam and what would happen to all those employed at the airport and its surrounds? After all it is the largest employer in Bedfordshire. I hope you are not one of those who couldn't give a toss about other people and their livelihood.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 18:06   #6075 (permalink)
 
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Its a shame that they couldn't find a way to rip down most/all of the old terminal and orange hangar and develop that area (and build upwards) as expansion for the terminal etc, leaving the newer terminal relatively untouched for the duration of those works.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 19:13   #6076 (permalink)
 
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Not widely know yet, but Thomson are NOT planning on taking ANY third party lease-in capacity next Summer. They have already cancelled a 788 order that was due for S'18 and will contract their flying. I assume the LTN loss will be a result of the Aircraft being relocated to LGW due to the 5 or so East European A320's not being taken in on lease.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 19:22   #6077 (permalink)
 
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Have you got the right airline? I'm not aware of Thomson having any Eastern European A320 on lease? Thomas Cook have, which are the Avion Express and Smartlynx aircraft, but Thomson don't.

All of Thomson 3rd party flying is not leased in equipment, it's the host airline using their own aircraft, flight crew, flight numbers and so on. These are airlines like Freebird, Air Europa, Norwegian and Air Malta.
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The information I was made aware of equates to the equivalent of 5 lease in units capacity wise, I believe the two dedicated TUI Norwegian units are within this 5 with the remainder being the overseas incoming Aircraft you mention. My apologies in reference to A320's, my 'who's leasing what' knowledge is a little rusty these days.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 22:55   #6079 (permalink)
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Seeing that Luton has not used the south stands or the Pond for night stoppers regularly Luton will have 10 extra stands in those locations plus 2 extra on the eastern apron plus another one on the hangar line. That's plenty of extra capacity for the terminal.
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 00:02   #6080 (permalink)


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There is new video of the terminal extension:

Transforming LLA

Is it possible open some part before the summer? If they do not do anything, this summer will be a total caos in departures...
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