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Well I have put my template forward, I genuinely have absolutely no idea if its right, it might have fallen on its back side.
But you know what have a go...
AND by all means you do likewise !
You are in the box seat, whats your view ?
You have the industry experience !
I do not !
I might be talking a good game to one .....full of hot air to others !
To be frank im not that bothered !
but to some it might just chime as common sense ?
BUT rather than bat away with insincere platitudes please provide us with your factual view
What does an airport do to launch a route.
How best do they connect with potential passengers ?
Just tell us ?
But you know what have a go...
AND by all means you do likewise !
You are in the box seat, whats your view ?
You have the industry experience !
I do not !
I might be talking a good game to one .....full of hot air to others !
To be frank im not that bothered !
but to some it might just chime as common sense ?
BUT rather than bat away with insincere platitudes please provide us with your factual view
What does an airport do to launch a route.
How best do they connect with potential passengers ?
Just tell us ?
If Skipness 1E is 100% correct, then it's a failed philosophy.
You cannot always measure what someone does, although this is the current trend. But over the decades these "ideas" have come and gone. You can measure the end results...but it's not always practicle to measure everything that moves / breathes.
I don't know who does their Twitter & Facebook messages, but I don't think they've grasped it.
Facebook message from MA today read re security queues....."only take onto the flight items you will need during the flight. You do not have to place hair straightners, large cameras etc in hand luggage, ..." What ???
So that large expensive camera will be absolutely oki doki being stacked on a trolley, dropped on the apron & thrown into a hold? And what about electrical items like cameras etc that have lithium batteries in them ? They should not be in the hold at all.
I digress slightly, but MA need to get a grip on social media or leave it well alone. So, Bagso- given the CX fiasco they are probably best keeping away.
You cannot always measure what someone does, although this is the current trend. But over the decades these "ideas" have come and gone. You can measure the end results...but it's not always practicle to measure everything that moves / breathes.
I don't know who does their Twitter & Facebook messages, but I don't think they've grasped it.
Facebook message from MA today read re security queues....."only take onto the flight items you will need during the flight. You do not have to place hair straightners, large cameras etc in hand luggage, ..." What ???
So that large expensive camera will be absolutely oki doki being stacked on a trolley, dropped on the apron & thrown into a hold? And what about electrical items like cameras etc that have lithium batteries in them ? They should not be in the hold at all.
I digress slightly, but MA need to get a grip on social media or leave it well alone. So, Bagso- given the CX fiasco they are probably best keeping away.
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I've vaguely followed this rather esoteric debate with mild (or is that too strong a word) interest although some of the posts have been, with apologies to Twain, written by those who don't have time to write something shorter and would themselves fail to register a single Twitter 'tweet' as a result.
Anyway.....criticism of the Facebook message today (by Mr A Tis) is wide of the mark. I have to say that this is highly practical advice, given the season, aimed at ensuring that security queues don't get out of hand. Anyone that travels regularly (which I'm not convinced many commentators here do) would get that - based on what you see at security most days.
Anyway.....criticism of the Facebook message today (by Mr A Tis) is wide of the mark. I have to say that this is highly practical advice, given the season, aimed at ensuring that security queues don't get out of hand. Anyone that travels regularly (which I'm not convinced many commentators here do) would get that - based on what you see at security most days.
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Two points there. Many pax are not putting ANY luggage in the hold because several airlines are charging around GBP25.00 per bag (to Europe) to do so … maybe it is this which is slowing down the security queue? And secondly, I'm completely with Mr A Tis re the camera advice … my trusty Nikon stays with me!
Just one further aside. I received a new marketing e.mail from MAG yeterday … it included four destination guides. A step in the right direction. Hallelujah!
By the way, Mr A Tis is the most regular traveller I know. He's never at home!
Just one further aside. I received a new marketing e.mail from MAG yeterday … it included four destination guides. A step in the right direction. Hallelujah!
By the way, Mr A Tis is the most regular traveller I know. He's never at home!
Yup, I've seen more bags drop off luggage carts & mistreated than I care to mention. To think people pay extra for that priviledge.
Once again - Shed is spot on. It's LCC high baggage fees that feed the massive hand baggage - security queues.
All names taken...please note:
Lifted from Air Canada baggage policy :
Most airlines advise silmilar. From a safety point of view, MA should mention this. Not encourage the hold to be stacked with these battery operated electronics.
From the CAA website :
So the MA advice is wrong IMHO.
Once again - Shed is spot on. It's LCC high baggage fees that feed the massive hand baggage - security queues.
All names taken...please note:
Lifted from Air Canada baggage policy :
The following are permitted in carry-on baggage only*:
Consumer electronic devices containing accepted lithium metal cells or batteries
Consumer electronic devices containing accepted lithium metal cells or batteries
From the CAA website :
Portable electronic devices
containing lithium batteries
such as lap top computers and mp3
players. Such devices should be carried in
hand baggage; spare batteries MUST be
protected against short circuit and carried
in hand baggage
containing lithium batteries
such as lap top computers and mp3
players. Such devices should be carried in
hand baggage; spare batteries MUST be
protected against short circuit and carried
in hand baggage
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Virgin 787-9
As Virgin Atlantic get there 787-9's in the next few months would they be likely to get the cabin crew use to them on routes to Manchester and Edinburgh etc as they do not have short haul destinations like BA when they flew into Stockholm ( not sure if I am correct about the destination there )
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OltonPete. and your post 3643.
Thanks for the work you did on Monarch's schedules for s2015 loaded for MAN & BHX. Have you by any chance an indication of the position for LTN & LGW, which might give a clearer picture as to whether cut-backs at this stage are across the board or at selective airports?
It should be said that this also reflects the situation with Jet2 at MAN with the schedules loaded so far showing frequency reductions on Palma, Faro and Murcia of several flights weekly, and small reductions on the likes of Budapest, Barcelona, Pisa and Nice. Reaction has included the optimistic view that this is what normally happens when schedules are first loaded and more flights will follow, and a more cautious view suggesting that Jet2 may simply wait to see how bookings develop before deciding whether to restore frequencies.
There are a number of apparent contradictions between noises from some airlines on the one hand and passenger figures so far reported for this summer. For example:
Some tour operators and airlines have referred to a 'soft' market for this summer, capacity issues, bookings below expectations, having to discount prices, lower yields etc. On the other hand, haven't EZY and RYR posted better results than expected for the latest quarter?
ACL's Start of Season Report for MAN indicated that Seats allocated for S2014 were 3.8% higher than at the start of s2013 and 5.2% higher than the end of s2013. Terminal pax at MAN increased by over 11% in April (inflated due to late Easter), 7.5% in May and 5.8% in June, which, assuming the ACL figures were up to date and correct, suggests that LFs overall have so far increased. However, the timing of when flights start and finish for the season may distort the figures. And of course within the mix, some airlines and destinations will have seen better LFs while others will not.
For British holiday markets going abroad, the pound is relatively strong against the Euro and is higher against the dollar which you might expect to give a boost to bookings. The price of oil has been fairly stable for some time which should help operators depending on their forward buying policy.
Given also the slowly improving economy, it is perhaps a little surprising that the mood in the industry seems somewhat subdued.
The hope of course is that Monarch and Jet2 will indeed increase their program in due course. Other than some more long haul flights, I'm not sure what the charter and schedule position is like for TCX, or for that matter TOM. Meanwhile, we wait to see what Easyjet and Ryanair have in store for us at MAN for next summer. There's certainly no shortage of competition on some routes!
Thanks for the work you did on Monarch's schedules for s2015 loaded for MAN & BHX. Have you by any chance an indication of the position for LTN & LGW, which might give a clearer picture as to whether cut-backs at this stage are across the board or at selective airports?
It should be said that this also reflects the situation with Jet2 at MAN with the schedules loaded so far showing frequency reductions on Palma, Faro and Murcia of several flights weekly, and small reductions on the likes of Budapest, Barcelona, Pisa and Nice. Reaction has included the optimistic view that this is what normally happens when schedules are first loaded and more flights will follow, and a more cautious view suggesting that Jet2 may simply wait to see how bookings develop before deciding whether to restore frequencies.
There are a number of apparent contradictions between noises from some airlines on the one hand and passenger figures so far reported for this summer. For example:
Some tour operators and airlines have referred to a 'soft' market for this summer, capacity issues, bookings below expectations, having to discount prices, lower yields etc. On the other hand, haven't EZY and RYR posted better results than expected for the latest quarter?
ACL's Start of Season Report for MAN indicated that Seats allocated for S2014 were 3.8% higher than at the start of s2013 and 5.2% higher than the end of s2013. Terminal pax at MAN increased by over 11% in April (inflated due to late Easter), 7.5% in May and 5.8% in June, which, assuming the ACL figures were up to date and correct, suggests that LFs overall have so far increased. However, the timing of when flights start and finish for the season may distort the figures. And of course within the mix, some airlines and destinations will have seen better LFs while others will not.
For British holiday markets going abroad, the pound is relatively strong against the Euro and is higher against the dollar which you might expect to give a boost to bookings. The price of oil has been fairly stable for some time which should help operators depending on their forward buying policy.
Given also the slowly improving economy, it is perhaps a little surprising that the mood in the industry seems somewhat subdued.
The hope of course is that Monarch and Jet2 will indeed increase their program in due course. Other than some more long haul flights, I'm not sure what the charter and schedule position is like for TCX, or for that matter TOM. Meanwhile, we wait to see what Easyjet and Ryanair have in store for us at MAN for next summer. There's certainly no shortage of competition on some routes!
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Flights by TCX for S15 are down on this year based on the currently available schedule. PMI and some other destinations show reductions. However I don't think the full schedule has yet been released well I hope not.
We are aware of the possible LAX flight on top of MIA and JFK already announced.There are some other European destinations showing which are new but no schedule as yet. What concerns me most is the lack of UVF and BGI for S15 at present which are supposed to be year round and are operating this summer.
Flights by TCX for S15 are down on this year based on the currently available schedule. PMI and some other destinations show reductions. However I don't think the full schedule has yet been released well I hope not.
We are aware of the possible LAX flight on top of MIA and JFK already announced.There are some other European destinations showing which are new but no schedule as yet. What concerns me most is the lack of UVF and BGI for S15 at present which are supposed to be year round and are operating this summer.
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Monarch summer 2015
MANFOD
Thank you for your reply.
I have now compared BHX, MAN, LTN and LGW August 14 to August 15 only and roughly and in weekly terms (schedule)
BHX 22 flights fewer
MAN 25 + flights fewer
LGW 21 flights fewer
LTN 1 extra
I think there is little doubt the BHX, MAN & LGW peak season night flights will be released later and this will probably include Ibiza as they are mainly at night.
However taking that into account it would seem to be one less aircraft at each base at present without considering the IT schedule.
The other noticeable aspect is that Leeds and East Mids are still not released and could there be changes at these two bases?
Jethro's still shows 2 x new A321's due 2015 and of course the 757's leaving this winter.
I guess more to come.
Pete
Thank you for your reply.
I have now compared BHX, MAN, LTN and LGW August 14 to August 15 only and roughly and in weekly terms (schedule)
BHX 22 flights fewer
MAN 25 + flights fewer
LGW 21 flights fewer
LTN 1 extra
I think there is little doubt the BHX, MAN & LGW peak season night flights will be released later and this will probably include Ibiza as they are mainly at night.
However taking that into account it would seem to be one less aircraft at each base at present without considering the IT schedule.
The other noticeable aspect is that Leeds and East Mids are still not released and could there be changes at these two bases?
Jethro's still shows 2 x new A321's due 2015 and of course the 757's leaving this winter.
I guess more to come.
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Is Dublin Airport eating Heathrow?s lunch? - Telegraph
Is Dublin eating Heathrow's lunch !
Is it eating Manchester's as well ?
Is Dublin eating Heathrow's lunch !
Is it eating Manchester's as well ?
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As Virgin Atlantic get there 787-9's in the next few months would they be likely to get the cabin crew use to them on routes to Manchester and Edinburgh etc as they do not have short haul destinations like BA when they flew into Stockholm ( not sure if I am correct about the destination there )
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AA suspending MAN-ORD between Jan 2015 and the end of March 2015
Seems the MAN-USA market is well down this winter, but, with several Euro cuts, at least its not indicative the just the MAN market, and at least its only Jan-Mar. DUB looses all AA service (not including US to PHL) for the whole winter with JFK being cut too.
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highly unlikely, VS are keeping the 744's until 2020, so expect to see them at LGW and MAN for a long time.
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As Virgin Atlantic get there 787-9's in the next few months would they be likely to get the cabin crew use to them on routes to Manchester and Edinburgh etc as they do not have short haul destinations like BA when they flew into Stockholm ( not sure if I am correct about the destination there )
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The Bridge Over the River ...sigh
Notwithstanding "somebody" has waited until the 1st week of August to decide on "blowing the bridge" , a decision which apparently has gone unchallenged by the suits at MAN ! !
Did the Christian calender not include the months of November or February ?
It seems totally incomprehensible (to me at least) that there has been little warning of the impending doom/chaos that is about to unfold !
Highways Agency seem more concerned about the village Lane into Titty Hill, Sussex, UK ! Not a word on their site although to be fair we are not London and despite handling 25m pax a year I actually doubt anybody actually bothered to pick up the phone to tell them. This would have at least ensured it made 5 Live etc !
At least thank God the M56 only leads to a small "regional airport in the North"
Perish the thought this would happen in August if it was Gatwick or Heathrow !
Me Bitter ? never !
The Bridge Over the River ...sigh
Notwithstanding "somebody" has waited until the 1st week of August to decide on "blowing the bridge" , a decision which apparently has gone unchallenged by the suits at MAN ! !
Did the Christian calender not include the months of November or February ?
It seems totally incomprehensible (to me at least) that there has been little warning of the impending doom/chaos that is about to unfold !
Highways Agency seem more concerned about the village Lane into Titty Hill, Sussex, UK ! Not a word on their site although to be fair we are not London and despite handling 25m pax a year I actually doubt anybody actually bothered to pick up the phone to tell them. This would have at least ensured it made 5 Live etc !
At least thank God the M56 only leads to a small "regional airport in the North"
Perish the thought this would happen in August if it was Gatwick or Heathrow !
Me Bitter ? never !
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It seems totally incomprehensible (to me at least) that there has been little warning of the impending doom/chaos that is about to unfold !
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Its not a suprise!
Only the timing of the event.
I suspect your average family from Stoke off for their two weeks in Ibiza Sat AM have NOT been monitoring the media......but I may be wrong, i usually am !
BUT pretty sure this would have been mentioned on national news if it were London !
I'm sure as you imply it will all go super smoothly after all closing the main arterial road from The South and West should make little difference to the main day to day traffic flows.
Only the timing of the event.
I suspect your average family from Stoke off for their two weeks in Ibiza Sat AM have NOT been monitoring the media......but I may be wrong, i usually am !
BUT pretty sure this would have been mentioned on national news if it were London !
I'm sure as you imply it will all go super smoothly after all closing the main arterial road from The South and West should make little difference to the main day to day traffic flows.