Hey guys, any chance of a UK base if applying as DEC?

How is the terms and conditions in the UK bases?

TIA!

What are the upgrade terms? Is there any fasttrack?

[QUOTE=Giuff;11166003]Pretty sure it's 1500 hours according to their factorization rules in general. You can join as SFO with no experience >60 tons.

[QUOTE=TorqueStripe;11166320]You need to have minimim 1500 factorized hrs in an airline to enter as SFO. You are right. 1500 hrs are for the internal limitations.

Again, i don't think it has to be in an airline.
Fast jet pilots, corporate pilots, helicopter pilots... All with different factors, but if a few thousand hours in those multiplied by .3/.5/.7 whatever gets you above 1500, you join as SFO.

Right now big expansion at Gatwick and they don't have enough captains willing to go there.
No idea about the conditions.

Airline multi engine, non airline multi engine and military fast jet considered. Multi pilot choppers 0.5.
Factors range from 1.0 to 0.2.

best of luck to all.

Thanks!

Does anyone know if the ppjn figures are correct? Very low basic salary but reasonable flight pay on top?

Seems like a very low basic salary for living in London area.

(Ppjn wizzair Uk contract)

Its an awful salary, hence why they are struggling to attract people, even with the glut of pilots available

Yes you are going to struggle to get a mortgage with that basic salary. Rent is ridiculous and you hardly want to rely on flight/sector pay to pay your rent!

Is there any official source of the salary numbers or only whats written on ppjn?

last time i checked ppjn looked fairly accurate.

the salary is crap. which is why they are losing staff

Losing staff? To go where? Tell me.
Salary is crap, i do agree. But Wizz are not losing staff.
We are still in the middle of a pandemic. Its a long way to go.

quite a lot are leaving the industry. It’s becoming clear that the job is nowhere near what was expected and lucky for some they have other qualifications.
Apart from that Wizz T&Cs will never enough to counter balance hostile rosters, no leave with the family, fatigue-long and short term, the constant checking, the real risk of losing everything due to a medical condition, commuting and spending half your life in a shared apartment on FaceTime with your kids and the increasingly hostile working environment that is ultra low cost. Please feel free to add to the list.
Wizz will always have a big turn-over. It is the absolute bottom of the industry so you can really only move upwards.
As long as there is a long list of people that knowingly go out and spend 120.000 on the prospect of working for this outfit they will be successful. My hope is that the young and hopeful read this forum and maybe give the idea of aviation another think before committing.

Tons of experienced drivers from ME and far east joined recently. You need an update mate.
Wishful thinking is one thing, reality is another.
There are no jobs outside.
As for the young rich wannabees, they have always been there. Even during happy times.

I have no doubt experienced guys from the ME joined Wizz. After all they were thrown out from one day to the next with zero compensation from companies with similar management styles of Wizz.

They will also be the first to leave again of course.

Wizz are taking advantage of a very unique situation due to covid and other companies will be forced to follow if it continues. The only hope for the rest of us is a quick return to normalcy and maybe a Wizz workforce that will be able to/willing to organise themselves.

They did already a few years back. Even made it to the management. Turned out to be a real success.

I agree, unfortunately we still have a long way to go to see some kind of normality.
Until then, survival game.

You forget one detail: few years back we did not have a pandemic.
Enough said.

It would be bad even without the pandemic. It can be used as an excuse for some time but sooner or later you will see their real nature. Just a question of time. It was never about the lack of good pilots but everything else.

What's the deal for NTR DEC in general?
Any bond?
Deductions?
For UK base, would they sponsor a Visa for non-UK residents?

Any general info is highly appreciated.
Cheers

Many people have, or are leaving aviation for previous or new professions. Flying offers such low salaries with no benefits. Some people have gone part-time flying with a second career or business.

It's perhaps time for people start to decline these interviews or job offers with Wizz, others and perhaps find something else that pays better with benefits like retirement in the mean time.

I would not recommend to anyone to spend the 120K on initial training and now some have to choose a U.K or EASA license ...

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but can someone be a bit specific? Fag packet calculations for the pay all in; wizz UK look similar to easyJet (although it lacks the profit share/loyalty bonus), but in is favour, the charge for a rating doesnt take the **** like eJ does.

WZZ always had a very fair TR scheme, somehow exposing the robbery happening elsewhere.

But it's not for charitable reasons. As well, to match the pilot market and UK living costs in absolute numbers, they do need to make the figures look relatable.

Of course the free-lunch phase ends right there. What follows has
- no union
- no working FRMS
- top-down approach to safety and HF
- no part-times
- no pension fund
- noticeably more demanding scheduling
- no favourable base transfers (out of North London area for a Brit, just do not exist)
- upgrade prospects only with a very far away placement
...

For the same work, responsibility and identical demand on professionalism.

Death by a thousand cuts or (90%)^8 = 43%, I can spin the numbers too.

The basic salary in ezy is significantly higher. And that’s just part of the equation

Basic salary is irrelevant. Different companies slice it different ways, some more in basic, some more in flying pay. I'm interested in a captains P60 gross, for let's say 800 hours. My calcs were supported by an ex colleague who seemed to have reasonable pay at wizz (albeit several years ago). But no pension? I didn't realise that. And if the fixed roster is no more, then forget it.

basic salary is very relevant. It for some reason you’re not able to run 800 hours a year you’d be significantly disadvantaged. As you get older you’ll realise it’s not for lack of good intentions you might be struggling to fly those numbers.
Ezy have fought to maintain a good basic salary which makes it’s a far superior contract to Wizz. On top of that someone made a nice list of why Ezy is the employer of choice. Try and see if someone here is willing to post some roster examples of how Wizz roster. That might help with the comparison.

I know the package at easyJet very well, and I think it's overrated, especially for NTRDEC yr0. I did a very careful analysis and spoke to some eJ captains before declining it. Hell, even the roster you mention is beaten by Ryanair's 5/4. Yes, j2 did particularly well through covid with a good basic and deal, I'll grant you. But about Wizzair I know little - I had one report on the grapevine, (mildly positive but pre covid), though I suspect I'm better off where I am, even though I don't like it very much. Or join the great resignation mentioned above - I've pretty much had enough (I am old)!

Tbh Joe I think it’s increasingly difficult to find a good contract in the south that has adjusted to the cost of living over the last 15 years. It’s not what it used to be that’s for sure..
good luck with your search

Ain't it sad nobody needs to mention BA LGW DEC.

Even small salary differences can add to quite a lot. E.g. 8000 vs. 7200 net is only 10% less, not critical on the first glance.

But asumme fixed QoL costs of 4000: the lower paid job has saving potential of 3200. To match the missing 800 the difference is +25% which is well worth thinking about.
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And if the better paying does with a higher basic to help bridge sickness and other rainy days (plus any pension contributions on top)...

Sure, for NTR within the first 3 or 5 years the total cashflow cannot be overlooked. And WZZ training delivers well.
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The BA LGW DEC turned down more applicants than it took in, as far as I know it turned down the majority of candidates, who are very experience, british nationals and have or are in the process of getting their UK national licences back. That job isn't what it appears, I don't even thing they will begin operations at all.

Non Wizz related but referring to manflexsrsrwy’s post above there was an email update from the BACC yesterday. They’ve been able to crew most of it with internal bidders, CRS and the PRP meaning and I quote “external DEC recruitment will be minimal”.

Appreciate the insight, cheers.

Anyone going for the interview in Feb, any feedback?

I find it hilarious that any comparison is being made at all between Ezy and Wizz. Light years apart.

Having worked years in both, I could not agree more.

Thanks everyone. I've tended to enjoy companies which people love to hate, and hated the flying jobs which are regarded as the most desirable ... However, on pprune, with most airlines there's a spectrum of opinions, but on Wizzair, opinion seems unanimous (albeit still rather vague). I'll give it a swerve.

Latin american passport
 

Hi all there i was invite to an assessment on February 22nd, im worried because i have a latin american passport and i dont know if they can consider this for some AOC i also send mail clarifying this but actually i dont get any answerd.
is there someon in same case?

It clearly says on application page that applicant must have:

• Unrestricted right to live and work in the EU or Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, Moldova, North Macedonia, Russia, Serbia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom

Hi. Would you be kind and tell which position have you applied for? Experienced or low-hours? Thanks.

Hi all,
I applied for TR FO position in the UK.
Is there anyone at the same process? Would like to learn how long it took to receive the invitation and if the assessments are in the UK or Budapest.
Cheers!