plus you hear him refer multiple times that it’s orders from above that have him doing this… I’m sure he loved it too but we all know where the orders come from

The morale of this story: Don’t join this banana-company.

And if you are jobless, well i can tell you there are still other good careers(jobs) out there.

Guy on radio the other day says he left his job caring for old people where they were paying him £1,000 per month and is now with Amazon earning £4k a month. You will not see that salary even as a 5 year FO at Wizz or BA for that matter!

I think we’ve reached the point where it’s no longer worth funding flying training to get a job paying so little as an FO, and even effecting capped at €100k gross now for captains as seasonal contracts become the norm. T&Cs are under massive and sustained attack by all operators - look at BA LGW lite. It’s too late for me to get out now, however, anyone investing significant sums into flying training would be much better advised to invest half into software/coding courses and earn more and not get stuck in an aluminium tube all day!

Rumour is Wizz air pilot salary to be reinstated to pre COVID levels before the end of the year.

Really, I wonder if they are short of Flight Crew?

True, pre-covid rates from 1st October. And yes, quite short, 300 pilots to be hired by the end of the year, about 100 internal upgrades also - as the pool of unemployed type rated captains is running out.

Well BarryMG thats very good news for us all. If Wizz are running low, then others will follow.

They had to reinstate the pay, as the majority of those passing the assessment gave them the middle finger when they received the contract.

Was that due to pay only? Or did the "take it or leave it" base arrangement also play a part? And does the rule that you cannot change bases in the first 2 years still apply?

That 4K is before tax, you do your own taxes at Amazon but it's questionable as to whether anybody actually does it accurately, which makes sense considering the employer has a track record of astronomical tax evasion. So I would imagine anyone still at BA earns more than 4K gross, WZZ on the other hand you get what you deserve joining these clowns

Even with prepandemic salary the problem is the poor roster and working conditions and bases.

also the confidence of the pilots community on one guy that said one day that there will be no redundancies and the day after he fired 300 pilots.

that could happen again. The contract in this company is toilet paper, they can do with you whatever they want and change the conditions unilaterally from one day to other without previous notice, or change your base or 1000 things more.

during the pandemic the treatment that remaining pilots has suffered it has been the worst with difference of any other low cost airline in Europe.

still ex WIZZ colleagues unemployed with families, kids, lifes...
WIZZ ruined their life’s without any reason.
and now they are doing massive assessments and not giving priority to ex WIZZ pilots?

this company is what it is... they are not gonna change and the fact that they reinstate the prepandemic salaries it doesn’t mean anything to me.

Does anyone know if they have reinstated training pay for those who are doing the type rating and conversion training?

Whitemonk Returns

A SFO in Italy can make 4k net in normal times.

flying 110 hours with plenty of discrections maybe, sure not on average. And before the paycut.

70hrs, no discretion, with paycut - €3700 net

A JET2 SFO on Furlough makes more than that, it's not impressive.

All the FOs I know in italy must be liars then, and the payslips I have seen, fake.

Sounds like precovid on Confair as italian local contracts in the beginning were terrible with taxes...

Too bad they pay taxes in switzerland as well, on international flights, even on the italian contract.
FO salary especially is miserable, ask any of them and they’ll tell you

But then you can claim those taxes back, unfortunately only by middle of next year - hurts if you have no savings, but in the long term it doesn't matter.

BarryMG

Is that on an Italian contract with social security and TFR paid on top of it?

That is correct.

The Italian contracts are still terrible. But like someone said, you get your taxes back under certain circumstances.
But paying taxes on their international flights is surely a hefty pound of flesh !

If you are italian resident, with family and center of interests in italy, sure. But most of the foreign pilots did not bring the family over as far as I can see, meaning that under most legislations you are still eligible to pay taxes in your own country of residence, at least the difference between what you would have paid there and what italy has taken from your payslip.

It depends. I broadly agree with you, but there are instances where a pilot is based (at least according to their contract) in one country, but due to the particularities of airline schedules and aircraft movements, spends very little time indeed at their “base”.

Over the course of a year I can count on a single hand the number of times I’ve flown to and from my base as opposed to starting and ending my duty in other countries. Commuting is very easy from my airport (a major European hub) and therefore I don’t live in the same country I am based in.

I pay social security in the country I am based in as their law requires, but the law of the country I commute from and live in states I must pay my taxes there - luckily they have an agreement with the country I’m based in, so it’s all legal and quite straightforward. But I had to check with a lawyer, and I would suggest anyone working for Wizzair etc. spend the money to ensure they don’t get caught out with taxes and social security....even on the allegedly low salaries that some LCCs seem to pay, it is money very well spent...

I suggest you also check the Double Tax Treaty between the two countries involved in your case. Our particular case is usually addressed in article 15 of these standard EU treaties.

Only CONFAIR contracts available and random roster in non popular bases. 4000 net a FO? no my friend came on, even on prepandemic

for me the main problem is that they do not have enough pilots to guarantee a stable roster. And the commuting to home from Eastern Europe countries (some of them) are really difficult with tickets very expensive.

Not true. Local contracts on the table also.

If you have a confair contract, in which country do you have to pay the social security?

In my experience 99% of Wizzair pilots on a Confair contract do not pay social security at all, as it is not taken from their payslip and feel like it is beneath them to pay

Normally it's because they are paying for full private health insurance instead. or its because the salary is so low that they can't afford to pay full social security... at least during covid

If you are on the CONFAIR contract and not the local contract, is it the law to pay social security or are you allowed to take private healthcare and pension?

You should pay social security, should being the key word. If they want the private stuff, that has to be on top of the state one

Giuff

last pilots rejoin WIZZ were not even offered the option of local contracts. Just CONFAIR.

so yes is true

If you are Wizz then you have other infos that i do not have. I am Wizz, and i do have a local contract.
For truth sake and thats it. Rumours are fine, but good information is always a priority during these hard times. Take it as it is. Clarity comes first.

when you join WIZZ? Pre or after pandemic. Tell me

It does not matter. Truth is that local contracts are offered, along with others. Now, not months ago.

local contract is only offered in Tirana, Skopje, UK and Italy. ALL the other bases are CONFAIR contract.

that’s the true, tell me I’m not telling true.

and now tell me if a new pilot is going to get a base in Italy at the beginning, for example.

Based on what? I was offered both local and confair contract just yesterday. KIV base