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-EZJ- 20th November 2013 20:10


Rexbanner: Any other fellow hold poolers just received the dreaded news that there are no further positions this year? We've got a year apparently until we have to go through the whole process again. Anyone on the inside got any encouraging news for us?
Yes, same email here.


Runbamaca: Same for me here! Interviewed early September.
Disgusted...:-(

Do you mean, you were fully successful and now no position offered?
We all received an email stating "we were successful and we are being offered a position as FO with easyJet" and "we will contact you with a start date soon".

Now a few weeks later, we received an email that there were no positions for summer 2014. And our application expires within 12 months.
I really wonder what the people are going to do that already informed their employers. :{

Runbamaca 20th November 2013 21:07

Yes, exactly!
Initially they warmly congratulate you for being part of the top 3% of candidates who passed the full selection and then nicely inform you that they have no position to offer since they have already met their requirements for summer 2014! But hey, I still can apply in the future... I'm just disgusted :{

Daygo 21st November 2013 00:18

If you've told your current employer then you have made a school boy error. You should have waited until you had your contract in hand and a start date.

colib 21st November 2013 07:15

I got the same e-mail too... sucks.

Swept 21st November 2013 19:31

Chaps

Like many of you I have been an active part of this thread from the start. I cannot remember who it was, and I can't be bothered to look, but there was a post early on that this was a bogus recruitment ploy by EZY to satisfy BALPA after a recent derogatory report about EZY's recruitment and pilot demographic. I thought the poster was being a negative cynic and duly applied like many others!

Now, having read your posts above, I think the original poster was wholly correct. I was thinned out from selection early on which, as an ex-mil FJ guy, I would expect in the current competitive market. I have followed the pages since and I have often wondered what I would have done faced with the post interview dilemmas posted.

Now we see EZY posting record profits and do we wonder why?

Like many of you I will continue to search for the RHS that is the best one for me. It will not be with EZY!

Best of luck

RexBanner 21st November 2013 19:42

Swept to be fair I know at least two guys from an extremely similar background to me that have received firm offers in the last couple of weeks. It hasn't been totally bogus. I'm probably in a minority in that I know EXACTLY the reason why I did not receive an offer this time around and it's mainly because of an extremely unfortunate set of events in terms of timing. There have been a few aspects that have been less than satisfactory but I'm not about to go bashing on a public forum, or at all, because I would still like to work for easyJet.

Lighter than air 22nd November 2013 00:53

- First time contacted by Easyjet with written confirmation after successfully passing the complete process:

Congratulations, we would like to offer you a position with easyjet as FO. We will contact you with a start date. What is your notice period and what base do you prefer.


- Second email recently when quite some time passed since the first one

We have all the people we need, we don't need you anymore. Reapply after 12 months if you don't hear us again.



They already committed to us, I hope this was a mistake or a miscommunication.
In all my years in aviation I have never seen this. I was really looking forward to this.

Chief Willy 22nd November 2013 08:45

Yet they are currently still interviewing flight school graduates for 2014 type rating courses.

jeehaa 22nd November 2013 08:52

But they have been offered typerating courses between next monday(!) and early december. They had interviews over the last 2 weeks and got the call in the last couple of days.

Chief Willy 22nd November 2013 09:34

Regardless, it does come across as dishonest to tell candidates there are no more vacancies when clearly there are.

Jetdriver 22nd November 2013 10:32


Every time I say this my posts get deleted. Let's hope yours don't
Hardly surprising when you delete them yourself?

Within this thread there are three posts that you have chosen to delete yourself since the 05th July. Would you like me to reinstate them for you?

Alexander de Meerkat 22nd November 2013 21:54

There is no doubt this is not our proudest hour, and I am embarrassed by what has happened in the last few days. In a nutshell, there have been less vacancies than was initially expected. That happens all the time in airlines, but unfortunately e-mails were sent out making clear offers of employment, when subsequently it transpired there were not the total number of vacancies they had expected. The only thing that can be said is they genuinely believed that they had the jobs to offer when the 'many congratulations' emails were sent out. Clearly there are lessons to be learnt, and they already have been. Taking a leaf from BA's book, when you pass the selection process they tell you that you are in a hold pool for a year or whatever and no formal offer is made. If a vacancy appears in that time you will be offered a start date, but if it does not then all those swimming in the hold pool find the plug is taken out and are sent a 'Dear John, it is with great regret etc...' email. That is unfortunately not what happened here and it is highly regrettable.

What needs to be said, however, and it is little comfort to those involved, is that this is a genuine error and not some scam as some here are suggesting. I believe that nearly a hundred experienced pilots from all backgrounds have been offered jobs, in addition to over a hundred of the usual cadets. That is not as many as was originally intended, but that happens in every airline as any experienced pilot will know. You start with a base number and that goes up or down as the recruitment period goes on, based on the ever-changing vagaries of fleet movement, routes, fuel prices, summer programme changes, training slots, attrition etc. The lesson to be learnt from this is that a company should never, ever send out the 'we are delighted to offer you a job' e-mail until they have a specific course planned and a start date. I have no doubt that it was all well-intended, but it has caused massive personal pain to those on the receiving end of this and seriously damaged easyJet's reputation, when it was all so avoidable. Nonetheless, the real question for most of those involved is what happens next? The recruitment season is over for this year, but the whole process will begin again next year. I have no doubt that those who have been badly let down will be at the top of the list when it all kicks off again. That is scant consolation, but there you have it.

Alexander de Meerkat 23rd November 2013 13:16

AIMINGHIGH123 - That is indeed so but that is because there are effectively two recruitment streams. The first is the 'experienced' group (that is what this thread is all about) and the second are the cadets that we commit to years in advance. Whether we should do that is another question, but that is what we do. To an extent, what happens in regards to one lot is irrelevant to what happens in the other.

FlyingTinCans 23rd November 2013 15:09

Until you have an actual contract in your hand with a start date that is signed by both you and the airline you dont have the job.

I empathise with you as someone who has successfully been through the BA process twice, only to not receive said contract before I expired from the pool.

Welcome to the modern world of aviation, for those who thought they had the job before they had a contract, lesson learnt.

flieng 23rd November 2013 15:13

Easy jet Reputation
 
They have one?

ROSCO328 23rd November 2013 16:27

Flieng,

That is an unfair comment. I think the fact that over 3500 people applied for a position speaks volumes of how sought after a position is within EJ.We are constantly developing everything we do both on the ground and in the air. Easy is not Ryanair and we are not BA, both of which I am delighted about. £478 million and 68 million passengers CAN come from an airline with a dire reputation but when I say goodbye to the pax on the flights I operate very rarely do I have any other opinion that we are an airline that has a very good reputation with passengers and pilots.

Alexander de Meerkat 23rd November 2013 16:36

Look folks - I am not trying to justify the inexcusable. To send out job offers one day, only to send out subsequent e-mails a few weeks later, without even your name on them, to say you have been binned is simply outrageous. I am pretty certain it will not happen again, but the damage is done. As could reasonably have been anticipated, there are now a lot of hurt and angry individuals who see easyJet as an organisation of losers. That is not the case, but the sentiments are understandable. Like I said, it is to be hoped that next year's recruitment process gets under way soon and we can then put then put this mess right.

I am aware that some individuals may be seeking some kind of legal redress through BALPA. All I would say to those folks is to think carefully what they actually want out of this. If you want your pound of flesh but no job then take the legal route, but if you want just want a job flying easyJet aircraft, sit tight for a few months and let your turn come round again.

Thad Jarvis 23rd November 2013 18:10

Can't really see what Balpa could do about it. I'm assuming nobody has be silly enough to jack their job in without a firm offer and a start date from Easy?
If you look at this week's results presentation from CMC it is clear that there will quite a few places over the next 2 years with more aircraft staying on the books.

Los Endos 23rd November 2013 18:22

Mr Meercat, this is arrogance, simple. Anyone disciplined for this cockup ? Why are we recruiting non experienced people anyway ? We are well top heavy with non experienced pilots already.

Binder 23rd November 2013 19:34

ROSCO

I also hate to rain on your parade but as you probably know EZY Pilots in France are about to go on strike.

Why? Well I wouldn't to tarnish any reputations here but suffice to say that the crews have quite simply "had enough".


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