Many FR contractor skippers still leaving for NAS (SH)?

What are the chances of a LGW base for direct entry FO's?

Base allocation depends entirely on the staffing requirements at the time you join, and is subject to your position on the master seniority list. I.e. if at the time of joining there is a requirement for people at LGW and nobody else above you on the master seniority list wants that particular base, then chances are big you'll get it. If the base is full, then you need to wait your turn until your number comes up.

Why 1500 hrs total time ?
 

Anybody knows for which reason they ask for 1500 Total ?
Insurance or other reasons ?
Cuz in Easa there is no requirements for it I guess, not the likes of FAA 1500hrs rules.


I can understand the 500 of jet/turboprop but what's the 1500 for ?

It is no so different. More or less same salary

Yes for both SH and LH.

In the middle of my application for Norwegian (well, OSM). Just wondered if anybody had a rough idea of rosters for the Spanish bases? Are you back home every night, or do you end up in hotels overnight? Specifically ALC, MAD, AGP.

Many thanks in advance

Home every night in ALC, MAD, AGP except if you are required, exceptionally, to cover another base.
4 days on (some standby) 3 days off. Longest day, AGP to HEL - 4 1/2 hours each way.

It is true that the SEPLA Norwegian in Spain s negotiating a salary increase of 40%?

Norwegian’s pilots based in Italy may not be content with their working conditions and are fighting for union recognition.

Despite Norwegian’s recent fine by a Spanish court for obstructing union association, a Scandinavian newspaper reported yesterday (22/4) that:

“Norwegian accused of union busting in Italy” -

Norwegian sables ned i notat fra egne pilotfagforeninger: - Norwegian beskyldes for fagforenings*knusing i Italia - Dagbladet

Italy based pilots have chosen ANPAC to represent them. Over 550 members of the Norwegian Pilot Group petitioned Norwegian Air Resources that they immediately recognize ANPAC –

https://www.eurocockpit.be/stories/2...ecognise-anpac

Norwegian’s paid mouthpiece said “the company has no commitment to NPG, because they are not a formal contracting party”.

Hopefully, passengers will not be left stranded and distraught again this summer due to another dispute between Norwegian and its pilots.

Anyone who attended the 737 assessment recently had a reference check before getting the results ?

Hi there!

So far I've read plenty of bad opinions on the company, whether is OSM or Norwegian itself. But I'd like to ask if someone is happy there, I'm not talking about the job of your life, but:

- Do they pay what is stated on the contract? Is it on time?
- Do they respect the base choice?
- Is the roster good enough? I know it can be different from base to base, but I ask if there are single days off or that kind of shenanigans.
- Is the flying enjoyable? How is the environment in the cockpit? Is training a pain in the @ss?

I'm considering a position as NTR DEC if they offer me my home base. Currently I'm sitting also on the left seat, earning more but on a very expensive city. Chances to get the place where I would like to live in my current outfit are close to zero, but I've been here for a while and it feels like home.

If you think you can be helpful in either way, I'd like to know your opinion.

Thanks

You might be better off asking for a PM on the subject. I think the crews are happy, at least the ones that I know personally. Most that I know would not post on these boards because of the constant drama that is being put out there by a few posters who seem to have some sort of life mission to immediately post negative things when anyone tries to ask for or respond to questions about Norwegian and their hiring process.

Some may not post answers to questions on working conditions fearing the drama of another management witch-hunt for those providing information perceived as critical. Alternatively, their life mission may be to sit idly by, silent and subservient to the entrenched management hypocrisy, but first in line for any benefits obtained by others.

It beggars belief that anyone having other choices would consider exchanging airline employment for airline unemployment, via a service provider agency. Fortunately, an increasing number of pilots are reacting to snake oil promises and demanding union representation with the entity controlling their working life rather than with a phantom employer.

Be sure to notify your mortgage provider of any tenuous employment circumstances (a conditional obligation in a mortgage loan application or contract).

1. yes and yes, no issues getting paid on time, and if they get it wrong, they usually sort it out very quickly.

2. that depends entirely on demand at your chosen base and your position on the MSL.

3. days off are usually given in blocks of 3 or 4 and never less than 2. 2 however is the exception rather than the norm.

4. all very relaxed, common sense approach, training is also relaxed but lacks a little bit of structure, this is being addressed at the moment.

Has anyone had any dealings with getting a UK mortgage once started working for NAS/OSM? Do mortgage lenders have any problems with OSM? Is the contract a permanent one or fixed term from OSM?

F/O chances
 

Does anyone know how chances are with Norwegian with about 500-1000 hrs on the CRJ 700/900 and 700-1200 TT?

Had a colleague invited for an interview for just such a position. It was a few months back.

Please review a Virgin Money, mortgage application - link:

https://intermediaries.virginmoney.c...e_App_Form.pdf

Page 2 states it is an offense to give false/misleading information.
Page 9, Section 4, Your occupation and employment details, asks;
(4) Nature of employers business?
(7) Is the employment permanent?
(8) If your employment is on a contract basis, will your contract be renewed?

Companies House lists the nature of business for Norwegian OSM Aviation SH as; “Other activities of Placement Employment Agencies” - link:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09346296

It is undisputed you are employed by a service provider agency and rented to an airline via a Service Provider Contract. Unless you are party to a Collective Labor Agreement directly with the airline, the airline may return you to your employer agency without notice, reason or recourse. Under such circumstances, to comply with the mortgage loan application, your employment status with the agency must be declared - is your agency employment dependent and exclusive to only one airline?

The convoluted web of direct employment circumvention associated with Norwegian’s atypical labor model and the various contracts between the parties, is detailed in a report by the US National Mediation Board in their investigation of the crew member, Norwegian and OSM relationship, pages 2/3, Findings, Terms of Service Agreement between Norwegian Air Resources and OSM – link:

http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf

Thanks a lot NS, that was helpful!:D

Brookfield pilots managed to get a mortgage with no issues. Is the simple answer to your question. Just need to shop a bit harder.

Can anyone tell me at what point in the hiring process are you assigned your base assuming that you pass screening?

Also wondering, say you got a base and you were going to commute. Can you commute for free? If so, are the jumpseats available, or spare FA attendant seats available. I am trying to assess how doable this might in the beginning if I was assigned somewhere I am not prepared to move my family.

Finally, I know Riga, FCO, and EDI are the official bases they are trying to fill at the moment. Does anyone know what might be coming next? I guess next base bid in October will also change things.

Thats the reason why I did'nt join Norwegian. They told me that ni June It would be new bases available and that It would be easy to get a spanish base... they don't tell the truth.

" Commuting is free and works well with jumpsuits available."


Yep, a jumpsuit is a good thing . . . . . . to parachute out of there A.S.A.P ! ;)

So whatever they promise the reality I guess is you draw a base from what is available after you commence your groundschool. How about after that, would you guys say the process is fair from getting from assigned base to the one you want?

Can anyone comment on what is the most frustrating thing at Norwegian?
FLYBOYUK can you elaborate on how they screwed you around?
CAPTPLAYSTATION did you work at Norwegian before? Can you offer both the good and the bad of working there?

Also wondering how reliable using the jumpseat is? Is just one in the flightdeck available? I know some other airlines allow spare FA jumspeats as well. Trying to figure out how stressful jumpseating would be.

Anyone do an assessment lately? What is the best advanced compass test to practice with?

1. The base bidding process is as fair as can be: base bidding can be done twice a year and as all base transfers are done strictly in accordance with the MSL, you will eventually get to where you want to be and the process is transparent.

2. Commuting is stress free, it isn't jumpseating, you get a standby ticket and only if there are no seats in the cabin will jumpseats be allocated, again strictly in order of seniority, and all flight deck and cabin jumpseats are available. People very rarely get left behind.

Latestpilotjobs... very easy ! But it's a long assessment day and you might have to do it at the end of the day, when you are already tired so stay focused !

In addition to the job security fear culture associated with Norwegian’s atypical employment scheme, whereby pilots become service industry employees and rented temporarily to a Norwegian Group airline, the most frustrating thing is probably the transparency of the gross hypocrisy emanating from the upper echelons of the Fornebu rats nest.

In a Dagbladet news article on 22 April, 2017, reporting that Norwegian is accused of “union busting” in Italy, Norwegian’s paid mouthpiece informs readers of the; “Clear evidence we respect freedom of association” –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...talia/67501924

Paid mouthpiece conveniently forgets that on 27 February, 2017, Dagbladet reported clear evidence; “Norwegian fined 90,000 kroner to prevent union election at its base in Malaga” –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...svalg/67342877

Such is the conflict between Norwegian and its pilots over union representation the Norwegian Pilot Group was forced to petition that ANPAC be recognized as the choice of pilots based in Italy –

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/over...ecognize-anpac

Norwegian’s US based flight attendants took the initiative to obtain a legal ruling the Norwegian airline is the REAL EMPLOYER and recently voted to join the powerful AFA, AFL-CIO federation union. Consequently, they have union representation and shortly a collective agreement directly with the airline, negating direct employment circumvention and any associated circumvention of labor rights and labor principles. Not surprisingly Norwegian is contesting the union ballot result –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/uhyr...mming/67506473

So much for the; “Clear evidence we respect freedom of association”.

Norwegian’s European based pilots also have the option to obtain a legal ruling the airline is the real employer. For whatever reason, they continue to be divided slaves rather than united masters of their destiny.

Not strictly true.

-They have been known to move people to core bases outside of their seniority position.

- If they deam that a base is "temporary" then they can throw out the MSL and pick whoever they want.

-A few years ago they displaced some LGW pilots to make room for less senior Spanish based pilots due to training requirements.

1. Yes, that's true but that was a few isolated incidents. Nothing of the sort has happened lately.

2. Yes, also true, but still i.a.w. the MSL, i.e. those positions will be allocated according to seniority, the exception being training bases where you start your line training and stay on a little while longer.

3. Absolute nonsense, yes, people were moved from LGW, but the less senior pilots that got to stay and those that were moved in were LTC's, not strictly fair but due to operational requirements. This practice however is a thing of the past now, as the LGW base is now crewed by permanent employees rather than fixed term contractors and as such, UK labour law applies.

A sample contract for so-called “permanent employees” is available on another thread and contains a number of clauses, one of which states;

“In circumstances where:
(b) Client [Norwegian airline] terminates its agreement with the Employer [agency] with respect to the Employee [pilot], then the Employer shall be entitled to terminate this Agreement by giving 30 days written notice to the employee”

Three contracts were exposed by the National Mediation Board investigation of the Norwegian/OSM relationship:
1. Agency/crew member
2. Agency/Norwegian airline for total crew members provision of services
3. Agency/Norwegian airline for EACH crew member and their provision of services.

Item 3 permits the Norwegian airline to terminate the respective crew member(s) services without notice, reason or recourse - ref clause (b) above. The notice period is with the employer agency, not the Norwegian airline. That such an arrangement/scheme may be considered permanent employment with a Norwegian airline is delusional.

The nature of business of Norwegian OSM Aviation and Rishworth’s Global Crew UK is listed by Companies House as; “Other activities of employment placement agencies” – links:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09462762

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10697097

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09543804

There is a reason Norwegian Group airlines do not employ their pilots directly. A shelf-stacker at Tesco’s has more labor law rights than a pilot with a Norwegian airline.

Has anything happened lately with Norwegian family members based in Italy and their “representative” union?

Hi guys!
Do you know what the best way is to apply?
It looks like there are 2 different links: the first one from the Norwegian website redirects you to a website called webrecruiter, where you have to submit your profile, and the 2nd one is via OSM (and again you have to submit your profile).
What's the difference between the 2 ?

I believe through OSM.

There are also direct employment possibilities within Scandinavia. See webpage, careers section..

just as information, what are the current bases? what are chances of being base in LPA?or Italy?

thanks

Thank you guys!I just applied through OSM.
Do you know how long it takes lately for them to get back to you? (Experienced & rated FO)

It is going to be really fast... you will see. They are really short of people

Apparently HEL - SWF - PVD - EDI

Good luck !

Hopefully! It's been about 10 days so far.