No MOLG, you just don't get it. You're one of life's 'I told you so's,' aren't you? The proverbial self righteous individual who stands in the corner and points the finger. Well if you had any inclination in the slightest to attempt to understand my postings with regards to Ryanair, then you might have some idea? But no, yourself and Blackred have seen all that you want in order to attack those currently under attack. Well, we see the type of characters that the both of you are! Getting kicks behind the keyboard. The people with all the answers all of the time :yuk:

You're right about one thing - Smith was a buffoon! Anyone who constantly drones on about crew sleeping in staff car parks and about how Ryanair pilots are to be avoided like the plague when it comes to airline recruitment gets boring after a time. Even you seem to accept that? But let me put one thing straight for you and all your sour mouthed chums. I have always attempted to give a balanced view on life in Ryanair. I have stood up for the good and I have presented the bad. I have always informed perspective joiners to research what they are joining before they actually commit. If you don't believe me then check my previous posts. Now that I present a post that attempts to define why it is difficult, impossible even, for those within Ryanair to organise some company wide collective representation and you assume that i'm ready to torch the place! A typical symptom of a keyboard vulture.

So I'll say it again. If you have damn all to add then don't add it at all.

Your = your house/your car
You're = you are (i.e. you're ignorant)

@pint'alfempty - petty in the extreme.

@MichaelOLearyGenius - I think you will find that most Ryanair pilots did not 'leapfrog' anyone. Who was being leaped over? The qualified and experienced pilots who did not match Ryanair's recruitment drive? The FIs who became instructors because they could not get an interview when they finished their own training?

Tell me: If experienced pilots, FIs and turboprop pilots had been targetted by the low cost operators and those pilots accepted work with terms and conditions similar to those accepted by the current crop of cadets, would you be critical of them for bending over too?

Because it seems to me than anyone working for the low cost airlines would have to accept the 'trousers round the ankles' scenario, lest another unemployed experienced pilot take the job ahead of them. Blaming cadets using the SSTR tag is easy. But it's only part of the story.

The low cost airlines will get their pound of flesh in either scenario. If they took experienced FOs and Captains instead of cadets, the cost of OCCs would rise and wages for those experienced pilots would fall. Low cadet wages has kept Captain's pay higher than it would otherwise be, just ask anyone at Vueling.

Your = your house/your car
You're = you are (i.e. you're ignorant)

@pint'alfempty - petty in the extreme.

No it's damned well not! Either Callsign Kilo is ignorant about the difference between 'your' and 'you're' or he does know the difference and is too lazy to use each correctly.

We are supposedly 'professionals' and yet to read some of the illiterate offerings that often appear on these pages, one would think some haven't progressed beyond primary school English.

If you received a letter or email from a fellow 'professional', a lawyer or doctor for example, that was littered with spelling and punctuation mistakes, I would suggest that you might query the sender's crediblity.

Now, back to the intrigue of the the ongoing soap, Ryanair.

Thank you Judge11.

I'm just tired of the constant misuse of grammar and bad spelling on a supposed professional forum. We all make mistakes, we're not all perfect, but the problem does appear to be alarmingly widespread.

Enough said, back to the thread.

Judge 11, the members post was not a professional "letter".
It was a post on a rumour forum, in affect a chat room.
so wat if his speln ws a sh1t lol!!!

Dont kid ourselves, dere is absolutlely noting profesional about dis website when it cums 2discusions regarding ryr, Mainly due to non connected posters interferring.
Not the spelling thats the problem on this forum at all!! any wonder people could not be bothered rechecking a spelling with jokers like MOL genius on posts they shouldn't be on.:ugh:

There is no better way to display your superiority over other message board users than breaking out the old book of grammar.

Join the grammar police today and you could be the number one arsehole. :E

McBruce

That's an excellent piece of prose. No spelling mistakes. Well done and go to the top of the class.;)

If you want to avoid the grammar gimps just go to repaweb.org, a place where real professionals can discuss real issues.

Judge
 

Egotistical berk springs to mind.

blackred1443 "reap what you sow"

You do make me laugh you absolute hypocrite. A product of the CTC sausage machine.

Unbelievable.

@judge11 and pint'alfempty

As you well know, my criticism of pint'alfempty was for making a 'petty' comment instead of making a constructive contribution to the discussion. Where poor grammar and spelling renders prose unintelligible I am also happy to pour scorn on the perpetrator, but that was not the case with Callsign Kilo's post. If you do not agree with his point, say so and say why. Staying silent on the issues but opening your gob to highlight minor spelling or grammar mistakes in the context of this 'professional' forum is undoubtedly petty!

I see that both of you forgot to use capital letters on your usernames. Proper nouns have capital letters. I trust you will re-register forthwith. ;)

Post edited for poor spelling and punctuation. I do agree, we are professionals and poor spelling is bad form. The irony is that Ryanair thread, focusing on a the plausibility of a pilot exodus, has managed to debate everything in between. Nothing new I suppose.

"on guard"

So, any news about the "Ryanair Exodus"?:ugh:

start paying your pilots

Ryanair are truly hemorrhaging pilots latest rumour from someone in the training department is 330 pilots have left so far this year well over 10 perc.

I just heard Ryanair will cut 31 routes from Alicante...

The airline is 'forced' to use the airbridges and face a bill of 2m euros, so they will remove 9 from its 11 based aircraft...

Do you guys think this could also be due to the large amount of pilots who left the company already?? Sounds easy enough: Not enough pilots -> scrap some routes...:8

Like in Stalin's period, propaganda is more important than hard facts...

How many of the 330 have gone to EK?

It seems any pilots leaving for BA are likely to start resigning from this week on.

Whatever about trying to stop the hemorrhage within, FR are seriously going to have to look at the cost placed on a new recruit, if they want to attract enough newbies to replace those big losses in pilot numbers.

Time to start putting a value, rather than just a cost, on your employees me thinks.

not going to happen as much as you dream, value will only be understood when nobody works off days and flights get cancelled, even then probably take a blue flu as these guys dont communicate.

A new batch of 12 cadets coming through the factory every 2 weeks is going to cover some of the losses of SFO and DEC scheme reopened.

This wonderfully written letter about pay increases this year is purely to entice a few that are thinking of leaving to hang on for better times but I can almost guarantee it won't happen!

Wish I had the hours to leave :-(

NICK 14 - The DEC / OCC has not opened up - ask someone in Ryanair and they will tell you that. Don't give people false hope. I tried to get a friend in two weeks ago. Was told clearly by my Base Captain that no plans to ever hire DEC again. MUGABellew apparently blocking it.

Also very hard to get in to the cadet courses now. 50% pass assessments. Maybe cadets - try going to the Bridge "Ryanair" pub in stortford each week - you may meet the assessment guys.

ALPA320 - the Alicante cuts happen in Nov 2011. Check the facts.

WIDERED - ask any of the managers and they will show you the resignation data. Even the kids in personnel and accounts have it. Approx 140 total last year - hardly end of the world.

ryanairpilotSTN,

Ryanair to cut 31 routes from Alicante - Business - Business | Ireland's online business and management news service - Businessandleadership.com

This is the article I read... Nowhere is the month of November mentioned? So what are the facts you seem the know about??

Also you 'tried to get a friend in'??? What is that all about? You didn't read PB's memo that only persons applying through the regular channels would be considered? :8

For your interest: base captains have nothing to do with recruitment policies... actually the square root of nothing... whatever some of them might think, they are not there for much more than a bit of paperwork and coordination requirements...

I might also point out I personally know a TRE who resigned, only to be hired again (not as TRE), although there had been a clear signal not too long ago: If you go, you will never come back! hahaha... A clear signal to me they are short of commanders.

The fact they couldn't find enough guys to run an OCC was conveniently twisted in a situation they 'didn't require any'... Propaganda at it's best, and some people believe it :D

regards,

Alpagueur

ALPA 320:

In fact, the articale on ryanairs website speaks about "october 2011"

Ryanair to Slash Alicante Base by 80% This Winter, as Airport?

secondly, I spoke with our base TRE yesterday, he confirmed there are no DEC courses running at the moment.

regards

Thanks Coltrane,

Indeed I just read another article confirming October 2011...

Regarding DEC, I know there are no courses running at the moment...but is it because they don't need them, or because they can't find them? My base TRE told me yesterday it's the latter...:ouch:

Best regards,

Alpagueur

PS anybody knows why Ryanair wants to pull out of Alicante because of the airbridges, while they look pretty happy to use them in Madrid? I think there is more to it than at first sight (like most of the times with ryr...)

DEC is open, since Jan! unless that has changed in last few weeks.

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Ryanair website is generally kept up to date.

RYR hate using air bridges...FACT.

They are not happy to be using them in madrid, but even the oldest terminal there uses them, so when RYR went to madrid, they had no alternative - and adjusted the turn around times accordingly (only base I believe with a schedule 35 min turn around!)

Regrading ALC, the base was fine with the old terminal, and the option of using stands with no air bridge. Now, what RYR are saying is that AENA are asking RYR to move to the newer terminal and pay for the bridges which RYR didn't want or need.

While you refer to two bases in Spain, the idea of RYR having a mentality of being happy to use bridges in Madrid, but not in ALC is simply not the case.

I believe they will also have to PAY (extra) for the (now compulsary) use of the air bridges.
They prefer not to use them and definitely not to pay for it.

Hi IrishPilot1990,

Yr post "DEC is open, since Jan! unless that has changed in last few weeks."

I double checked with Ryanair today. You can apply online but there are no DEC courses - none since Aug 2010 - and none planned ever again. Do not raise false hopes. Cadets only at Ryanair.

Raise false hopes for DEC???
With the McNamara/brk contract on offer now that pays 4500€/month for 65 hours without a single benefit?
Yeah right:}:}

There are no DEC OCC because they can't get enough guys to fill one.

FR STN
 

I don't think it's IP1990 giving false hope, it is on the FR website I have seen it myself, coupled with what you now say abut no DEC courses it stinks of RYR happily letting people apply at E50 a shot knowing full well that they are not going to be running DEC courses.

For those thinking of applying stay as far away from this "great gulag in the sky" it is getting worse by the day.

I for one have booked my one way ticket out of here and will be joining the "Exodus", I am Irish and embarassed to be associated with these gypsies.

For those of you thinking of leaving, do it you won't regret it.

For those of you thinking of joining/applying, don't do it you will regret it.

One last Q, why are so many people leaving/applying to other airlines? Kind of a rhetorical Q!!!

Ryanair also cancelled delivery of 8 airframes...

FLEET WATCH: Orders March 2011-08/04/2011-London-Commercial Aviation Online

This is from EMT, they will be running DEC, if they can get any, as they do not have enough captains for the summer. If they upgrade all the fo's that are ready then they will still be 100 short.

Alpagueur320,

Where does it say this?

Horgy

I assume it was printed in error. I remember reading the article. It said their had been 33 cancelled orders, 25 from one airline, 8 from Ryanair. The article now only mentions 25 cancellations.

8 aircraft pulled from Alicante, news release around about the same time the above article was printed. I suspect its been dumbassitis.

Well put Vexed.

Well put vexed im sure you know as well as me that there is a way to change this situation we find ourselves in if it wasnt so ridiculously easy it would be laughable,We just need all of us togetheir having a collective voice,Its human nature to stay away from the drama only a few brave principled people will ever lead the fight.But mindsets are changing in Ryanair REPA now has nearly 1500 members for example 140 new members over the last couple of months.
It shows people are fed up.We can change our lifestyle to have a bit more respect pilots in Ryanair are starting to believe....
STAND UP AND FIGHT !

John R,

The answer is easy. They are afraid to stand up and fight.
They don't have the guts.

During a car journey yesterday I listened to a group of stories from members of the public who had experienced the bystander syndrome or effect. For those who dont know what this is, its when a crime is being committed and yet every witness stands and does nothing. No one wants to be the first to do anything and so they just let it happen before their eyes.

Sound Familiar?

Anyone else been called for an EK interview at LHR recently? (Less than 2500 Hours too..)