I cannot believe how short sighted or self centred some of you are.
There is no wonder that any negotiating team runs riot and try and screw whichever way they can.
You will not achieve anything by bickering on here to the tune off: ''oooooh look at him, he earns more than me. That's not right, he should earn less so I feel better''.
Aspire to achieve better results by organising yourselves and yes that does mean this:
get off your lazy arse in the flight deck and stop moaning about everything. Nobody in their right mind will just give it to you.

Time to grow up and live in the real world.
If you don't add value then you are increasingly becoming a cost.
You need to convince them that you are worth it (cue l'Oreal)

i can imagine that people are leaving they threat there pilots like babys!

In the past 14 days 3 pilots have lost SNY privilege for 3 months due to failure to follow approved boarding procedures.
R. Conway, Chief Pilot

well done Ray! keep up this childish memos of yours and more people will leave!

SNY privilege?

Supernumery Travel

that'll be the privelege of travelling on your days off, in uniform, to get to yet another stint or rostered out of base flying. Privelege removed for 3 months = 3 months of in base flying, bonus :)

Yea right!

You should know RYR by now! If you loose SNY travel and you are rostered to fly out of base, then It will be your problem, one I would personally fight in these circumstances. I don't know how they can classify this as a privilege, it's for work related travel only, it's only used to keep their operation running. All this will do is possibly restrict pilots who are based far far away from returning home to see their families. Ryanair, the worlds favourite employer.

Anyway, how on earth do you police that kind of a ban?! :confused:

And i still don´t understand pilots in FR accept this vioalation travelling on off days to position to another base. That is unlegal... One of the reasons why i left FR..
On a 5/3 base you will only have one day at home...

No. On a 5/3 you'll get 25 minutes at home, as you are not allowed to travel on the last available flight, remember. Provided your family meets you on the ramp.

What's best? Integrated or modular?

RYR Fleet
 

13 new aircraft so far this year...amazing.
Anyone able to advise how many more and when the delivery on the current order is likely to be complete ?

Studi,

Dont be such a :mad::rolleyes:

Billy, he speaks the truth. Unfortunately.

Meanwhile my Filipino house maid in Dubai takes home more than your Ryanair Pilot:D

mona lot do you know how much ryanair pays:confused:doubt you do:ugh:

Irishpilot you're looking a mona lot's comment from the wrong angle. He's not saying RYR pilots make jack all for money, he's saying he pays his Filipino (doh) house maid more, for the 'special' services he requires!

I hope they go bust.......and what a sweet noise it will make.

I am off on my holls soon and am happy to pay a better airline, less money to get my family there - and I won't have to worry about my kids being placed all through the cabin away from me, or being constantly sold a sodding raffle ticket.

RyanAir are the biggest joke in the industry and should see that their pilots are their biggest assets. Shame they are all Cadets though.....

PAPI, What a load of tosh you talk! I have flown thousands of flights for Ryanair and on none of these have parents and their children been split around the cabin. As far as wanting a company that employs thousands of staff, and carries millions of pax to go out of business, what a selfish attitude!

Well you weren't on my flight to Granada then, were you - and with knickers that twisted, good job too. The first 6 rows were blocked off and the Capt wouldn't open them. My kids were then made to sit next to strangers, on their own, 8 rows from me. Who was going to make sure they got off during an evac?
I have told as many people as I know this fact and do you know what, none of them have flown RyanAir again. I am sure they have passed it on too.

Selfish...maybe a bit....getting a tiny bit even.....bloody right.

The other airlines that have been pushed about by RyanAir would take up the demand again. I am sure with the government wanting us to spend money, would encourage a new UK start-up. There would be not be any unemployment, just more shifting and happier pilots.

PAPI,

Did you consider paying for priority boarding? That way you would have sat together. The front rows were blocked for mass and balance reasons. Did you ask the crew to assist? Cabin Crew will try their best to move people around the cabin if you ask politely, instead of what most grown adults do, and throw a tantrum.

Papi - are your kids under 12? If so then I'd see that as a serious problem. Otherwise, I suppose it's an inconvenience and it is the risk you take flying loco.

I'm really surprised Cabin Crew didnt assist and shuffle people round. Even if time on the ground is tight, it could be done in the cruise.

I asked nicely and the No1 asked the Capt. I have 3 kids (1 an infant at the time) and I was just with my wife. I had all of their stuff too; the stress was avoidable and permanent. There was meant to be a pre-board families policy at the time, but not in Granada, I was informed at the gate when the stampede began, so, I was screwed over. Crew STBY's aren't worth the risk at this time of year either, so I am happy to travel where I know the service is good and to be honest, a better price by £400.

I don't have time to argue and can't stand people who do, nor do I give 2nd chances if I have been a victim of very bad practice.

I know all about M&B flying the 757, but would never dismiss a passenger like I was, for a a few kgs in the next row.

Anyway - back the the thread.......where were we......bad T's & C's, pilots leaving, too many Cadets, no chances for experienced TP pilots.......

At the time they were 7, 5 and 3.

It was a safety issue and none of the pax would help. I was lugging kids bags up the cabin, while every :mad: watched.
I don't hate many things, and my CRM is top notch, but I HATE RyanAir and would like nothing more than to see the end of them and what they stand for.

Never again -

PPRUNE at its best - another thread hijacked by the ignorati.
MODs - time to close?

Despegue,

Amen brother.

D O Guerrero - I think that our opinion is far from ignorant, coming from fact and bitter experience. I also know several pilots who are leaving the sinking ship and can't wait to breath the fresh air of freedom.

PAPI, I would have let you have one of the blocked off rows in without any question. As you say, it wouldn't make a jot of a difference, all weights being notional anyway. I have flown flights for FR that have had the number one telling the pax that we need to move some folk arround to accomodate families with children, making it clear we aint going anywhere until it gets sorted, so please don't tar all with the same brush. Ryanir employ lots of good people, unfortunately, like many other airlines, there are exceptions.

I might think about it if 5 rtn tickets to Faro were placed into my paw in a brown envelope....but there is no way I am parting with my hard earned flight pay to find out if the situation will reoccur.
For this, I will trust your word, but may I wish you a happy Summer all the same.

Well, then the joke is probably on their competitors! Operationally and financially, they're probably more competent than anyone else in Europe. Sadly, things are not so good on the personnel front, as highlighted in this thread.

Spot the oxymoron: A boast of intelligence followed by a statement displaying breathtaking ignorance. As an FR pilot I am used to seeing it from people who don't know anybody in the company, but it's still very sad to hear things like that when there are so many very competent, hardworking and friendly people working at the company.

Hostile and ignorant comments simply go to show the dog-eat-dog nature of the airline industry and confirm that the problem is not confined to FR but exist throughout.

Despegue kindly refrain from transmuting your "hate" for a company onto the people who work for it. Your attitude is unprofessional. You're only embarrassing yourself.

Now, let's get this topic back on track.

I've just recently heard word that BLQ base is going on 5/3. This from a pilot who will shortly be based there. Anyone who can confirm this?

With the serious lack of crew and the continuing sprint for the exit by those remaining, I cannot see how RYR will manage to crew their summer schedule. I can only speculate that most if not all bases will move to a 5/3 pattern with serious roster disruption and even more days spent operating 'out of base' with the knock on effect of losing more days off to position around the network.

I am one of the lucky ones who no longer works with/for RYR, they employ some fantastic people (pilots, cc, ground crew etc) and then seem to do their absolute best to pi$$ everyone off so much that they feel they have no choice but to leave. I can't recall one single FO that I flew with who seen their future with RYR, not one! It was really disappointing to discover, first hand, how good RYR could be with just a few (and cost neutral) tweaks but the top management attitude (which filters down through middle management and Base Captains) is screw everyone, we don't care about morale, we'll go out of our way to be difficult and aggressive, don't plan on having a life when you work with RYR as they can, and will, move you to another base in the blink of an eye. Only one thing will be certain, it will never be anywhere near your base of choice !

It's by no means a sinking ship, RYR are a massive company and people will continue to buy their tickets as long as the prices remain low. There will be no shortage of cadet candidates as it's one of the very few ways to get into the airline industry with your freshly printed frozen ATPL (although how quickly they can get these guys online to cover those leaving is another matter!). There will always be a number of DEC's available but by and large RYR will be simply a stepping stone for them, somewhere to tread water, keep current and earn a few Euros until an opening in a more traditional airline opens up.

With just a few changes, most of them 'attitude adjustments', RYR could be THE place to be, but at the moment it's THE place to leave.

Safe flying one and all.

Tough day in the orifice?

You chaps seem very familiar with the word ignorant as a defense reaction, yet you seem content in the most lothed airline.
Well that say ignorance is bliss....

My comments are nothing to do with professionalism at all - Jesus you people are dumb and went personal - I was talking about a horrendous experience as a pax with my children, which is totally justified. And yes, the three pilots that I trained with are all about to leave, mainly due to base, hours worked and the way they are treated. Don't shoot the messenger, but it is from the horses mouth. One did get a quick Command though, I must admit, and is looking forward to a nice move - but my god is he happy about it.
If you guys are working so hard and can see that you have got a hard Summer ahead, I feel sorry for you and understand your frustration. Not due to being stuck in a crevasse of debt is it, or doesn't 3 days off (including positioning) give you enough time away from your gloomy 4 walls that you have been forced to rent?

Enjoy

Post-Out

@PAPI-74

Which is exactly why you continue to make blissfully disparaging remarks on this thread. Your 'horrendous' experience as a passenger with children is an incredibly rare event at Ryanair. You might not believe it, but those of us who fly regularly in Ryanair cabins and cockpits know it's fact.

I don't think pilots have a problem with working hard. In fact, we relish the summer hours at Ryanair because flying the 738 is great fun and we're paid by the hour. But you're right to mention your friend's reasons for leaving - the basing and management issues are the cause of the 'exodus'.

Mike,

you cant be serious, are you for real? - i enjoy flying as much as the next pilot, but some of the summertime weeks i've done in RYR have been horrendous and i've certainly been extremely fatigued. I could word this far more strongly given some things i've experienced and witnessed, but i'll just say that i chuckled when i saw that our next recurrent training topic is to do with fatigue management.

no, Mike, the reason people want to fly lots in the summer at RYR is because half the workforce (or more than half?) earn little during the winter, because they're contractors - paid by the hour, which you highlighted as though it were some kind of benefit. Fatigue or no fatigue, everyone has bills to pay.

Again, i can only assume you smoke crack - Have you ever jump seated on RYR at all? i've lost count of the times i've seen PAX treated like :mad: by crew and airport staff alike. I've felt ashamed to be in their unifom (its actually my uniform because i bought it). I remember a near-riot last summer while commuting back to the uk (on my day off). PAX left standing in line, with kids, for 50 minutes, well before the plane had even landed, in a boiling hot over-crowded nasty low cost terminal - some vile check in desk nazi screwing lots of them for money because their bag was very marginally overstuffed. They were not happy punters Mike.

I dont know why you're defending this joke airline - you can only be part of the brown-nosed inner circle i suppose. The rest of us are eager to get out and leave you to it mate. I hope that over time, theres a reduction in the quality of pilots working for RYR - down to the standard of the rest of the company, as the good guys steadily get poached. I also hope that the better PAX begin to move away and leave RYR for the strata of society who unfortunately for them have no alternative.

I wasn't going to post anymore, but Dr, that was 'poetry in motion'.

@DrSpock

Er, no, I think you need to re-read everything I've ever written on this and other Ryanair threads. I'm not defending the Airline but pointing out a few truths to PAPI-74 who has confessed to harbouring hatred for Ryanair and evidently also has contempt for its pilots.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that I enjoy flying the 738? If you don't, then you really are in the wrong line of work. I'm not saying that everyday is a dream, but I'm not going to deny that I enjoy my day-to-day job. What on earth is wrong with that? Are you serious?

As for your point that the reason the majority of the Ryanair workforce want to fly lots in the summer is exactly what I said! We're paid by the hour and the greater number of hours in the summer make up for the rubbish winter hours. I didn't highlight this as a benefit - I simply made the point to Papi-74 that I'm more than happy to work longer hours over the summer. I simply don't see it as 'hard' to work 90 hours over 12 flying days this month. I do it in the knowledge that I need the money.

As for the 'crack' jibe, you clearly have more experience of the substance than I do. But I do jumpseat to my base from Stansted weekly and I fly hundreds of flights for Ryanair each year and I stand by my point that it is incredibly rare for children aged under 10 to be separated from their parents by unsympathetic cabin and flight crew. I never said the punters were 'happy' all the time, but I honestly rarely see people 'having a go' at the cabin crew. The notion that every Ryanair flight is a bun-fight is BS.

DrSpock, as for your allegation that I'm defending the company or that I'm part of the inner circle and want to stay :rolleyes:, I think you should re-read my posts on pprune before attacking me without justification. :ugh:

I used to...
 

I used to work for RYR... They sacked me for crossing the wrong person on the wrong day..

Hey but that was 4 years ago..

But I couldn't resist a smile last sunday.. trickling along a dirt track on my classic trail bike at 7am.. sun coming up.. watching the RYR's launch one after another out of STN..

Now I get similar-ish money.. fly 8 to 10 days a month.. get 75% of weekends off.. no problems getting the days off or the summer leave I want..

RYR is a nasty place.. but people have to pay the bills, feed the kids, keep the missus in frocks..

But getting out of RYR.. thanks Peter B.. it was the best possible thing you could have done to me...:ok:

Glad to see you managed to make the best out of a bad situation there Redline.

As a matter of fact no I don't know and what is more, I don't care because I will never work for them. However, I do know what they will charge,

Have to agree with PAPI about the Ryanair experience. As a captain with Ryanair, I refuse to subject my family to the cynical, opportunistic and generally naff experience that results when one travels with Europe's leading low class airline. I also discourage anyone who asks me about the airline from using it.

Not sure how MH152 can take issue with PAPI's fairly reasoned description of his travel woes. Unfortunately, like a lot of my colleagues in FR, MH seems to be very comfortable in his Ryanair blinkers (available on Crewdock, cost deducted from sector pay).

If you think doing 4 sectors on earlies for 5 days running is sensible, you need your head examining. That's up to 45 hours of demanding flying for 20 sectors concurrently. If your performance is not degraded at the end of that you are a better man than me. To justify it because you need the money does not mean it's good rostering, it means you have a crap contract.

Unfortunately, many of us in Ryanair choose to avoid facing many inconvenient truths. Right from the beginning, when you pay for your interview, pay 25,000 euros for 10,000 euro type rating you are being treated as another mug to fleece rather than as an asset to the company. Best ignore that, then.

Get put on a Brookfield contract with no benefits and zero security if unable to work. Ignore it, it'll be fine. (Until you lose your medical for a year and have to sell your house like one of our colleagues).

Move, at your own expense, to another base and take a pay cut for the privilege - no problem. Ryanair pulls out of that base in a tantrum and you have to relocate to the other end of Europe - great.

This is not thread drift, by the way. I'm a Ryanair pilot and I have joined the exodus.