When will Ryanair pilots learn!!!!???
 

Well, Ryanair have announced that they will be screwing the pilots out of more money again!

Crewdock Memo released today states that even though the company has made an increase of 80% in profit, resulting in half year profit of 387 MILLION EURO, they will be freezing pay AGAIN!

When will the Ryanair contracted pilots stand up for themselves. Let there be a full review of the contracts and pay. The company is still expanding and buying more aircraft. Work to rule and turn up to the STN crew room 45 mins before STD, and see how many planes are going to start leaving on time, especially now the crew room is less then half it's original size!!

Come on, stop letting the company ride you all the way to their bank!

Do you remember "The Eagles" - we will never reform, := woops we have just reformed :oh: - alum title (when) "Hell Freezes Over"
Sumfink like that is the answer to your question :}

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Dear whistleblower,

It's in vain we will never learn...I promise you that. We all should be happy we have a job right:yuk:

I know I should have become a doctor when I had the choice:ugh:

they will have to grow some balls firstly

Well given the current airline employment status, and O'Leary's heavy emphasis on not putting up with any faffing or bullcrap, I imagine the pilots involved might be thinking twice about taking action.

The other problem is MOL deals with big fish on a daily basis and does not blink when his demands are not met, yes you may call us spineless pilots but if we all walk out on strike i bet you my full years pay he will just sack us ground the fleet and retrain all the other spineless pilots praying for a job the very next day, then with a couple of thousend pilots out of work terms can go even lower as 99% will be desperate to pay the mortgage.

£2.5Billion in the bank would buy some down time quite nicely, my 3 months reserve would dry up very very quickly

The offensive Irishman is tucking into a dying market at present. There are idiots prepared to fly for nothing and until they are priced out at the initial training stage, it will continue unabated.

Compare the situation at Ryannair to BA and Virgin. Who can blame him really ? I will take no satisfaction when the first major prang of an aircraft occurs be it through tiredness or any other reason. Maggie Thatcher was right, you can't buck the market.

Excel, MaxJet, SilverJet....the list is endless. There are pilots out there who need to work to support families etc. Hell will freeze over first before I work for them but never say never when you are a desperate man.............

Does the contract not state that the company must "post" 2Q losses, not announce "expected" losses for the last 2Q.

Why it was agreed to have this stupid clause in the contract in the first place is beyond belief. Any company can make it's books read lose at any point, and then still make profit at the end of the year. That would have been a better option don't you think?

Oh dear, another airline numpty.
Pilots will just have to accept the fact that at the present time, airline managements call the tune, and until revenue improves, and there might be a slight shortage of rated FD crew, then and only then will any sort of 'work to rule' or 'industrial action' be effective.
Them's the facts, like it or not.

OR, make trouble now, and find out in quick time, just like the CX 49ers did a few years ago.

I fail to understand why people want to have money when airlines make money or increase profits.. you know where you are standing when you work for a (certain) company, if you do not like it the way they operate, leave and find your "gold" somewhere else...

One of the reasons this company is making money is because they control their cost....

Whistle Blower, If you don't like it leave.

Simple.

We get paid very well, and whilst it would be nice for us all to have more, you getting a 5 or 10% pay rise may jeopardise someone's job, never mind their pay cut!

Why not sit back, shut up and ride out the recession doing your best to make sure that the company, and your colleagues' jobs, comes through unscathed?

And before the shouting starts, I'm not a management stooge or any thing else: I just have a grasp on reality and want to keep people in a job!

Who says I am anything to do with Ryanair FD?

I am making comment on the fact that Ryanair has once again gone back on what it agreed in the 'last round of negotiations'.
The pilots were promised leave when they wanted it if they agreed to the new month off per year, and then stopped anyone having time off in the summer holidays.

No one at Ryanair is going on about wanting more money for the sake of it, but to be honest, if YOU were actually doing the job that is earning the company the huge profits, and they come along with another memo saying that people need to take unpaid or there would be the possibility of job cuts, wouldn't you be just a touch annoyed?

MOL and Ryanair management like looking at the big numbers in the bank account, and only want it bigger. They haven't ever paid out a dividend to the shareholder, preferring to keep the money in the MOL account. Don't forget just how much of the shares he owns. If the negotiations for the aircraft going on at the moment fail, there will be the first ever Ryanair share payout, rather then giving something back to the people that worked hard to get the company where they are now, (ie, that week that everyone had to take unpaid last winter!!).

Well, it's splitting hairs but it's a tad less than that. Comes out at €2536m.

Whisper it chaps, but Ryanair debt is currently €2586m (a paltry increase of only €187m) which leaves a net total of about minus €50m.

Isn't the emperor looking wonderful in those lovely threads eh?

It's a Master/Slave relationship.

As long as the "Aerosexuals" know their place (and don't unite) the Mad Mullah of Mullingar is safe.

Having a big rod to beat the Slaves when required (in case of an uprising) is of course very useful - it maintains the fear level.

BULLSH1T.

You bid for what you want: I asked for March....it suits me. Certain colleagues asked for August and September..and got that.

So let's see.

I could have bought my way in then had the big stick waved over me at the first sign of dissent meaning that not only would I lose my job but also my ability to repay the loans that got me in the sh!t in the first place.

I am SO glad I never went that route.

Yep. And you could have been in the "holding pools" and watched the plug being pulled.

WTF do you lot want?

Crew food? Crap. And taxed...ask easyjet.

We are better paid, have better rosters, better staff travel, a pension scheme,medicals paid for, car park paid for, uniform paid for etc etc

Nope, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be (and am not) in a holding pool and neither am I one of those responsible for directly contributing to the decline of T&Cs in this industry.

Argue all you like. People who bought their jobs have fouled the waterhole. If only they had to drink from it I'd sit back and watch them with a wry grin but sadly their behaviour has spoiled it for all who follow. Except of course for the minority who may take a little longer getting there but manage to do so without flashing the cash, they have my respect. Anyone showing a SSTR on their CV won't ever hear from me.

Edit. Crap crew food? Last trip I had the choice of lamb tajine and cous-cous, fresh tagliatelle with passata and grated parmesan, grilled salmon and basmati rice followed by key lime pie, cheeseboard and crackers. Yup, I should have gone the LoCo route. That's me told :(

From that menu Mr Flinstone, I guess you're in Big Airways....as you like food can I suggest you order in a large turkey, maybe 2, for Christmas as I can't see you working much over the festive period.....

Flintstone,

great name......living in the past.

When your cabin crew close down your airline with their strike action you can kiss goodbye to your salmon and cous cous because we, the taxpayer, sure as hell ain't gonna fund it!

Likewise your swanning around living in nice hotels: min rest baby!

Enjoy.

Actually Flintstone does very well and there's absolutely no talk of strike action. Especially from the cabin attendants. Why would they strike?

From the BA cabin crew and BASSA thread:

Good luck red!

So X-Ray and Slim. As you know so much about me and my company perhaps you'd care to enlighten me as to when and why my cabin crew are striking and why my festive season will be so quiet? Rather interested to know what your tax money and I have to do with each other.

Let's have it.

Hey Barney Rubble, check the thread on the CC forum: seems like feelings are running a tad high!

World's favourite airline? Tell us about your losses: the huge hole in your in pension fund and the fact that Ryanair has enough cash in the bank to buy the whole sorry outfit.

Bit of humility wouldn't be amiss.

Y'all ain't that good anymore!

Wanna buy a turkey? You will need it, as chances are you, and lots of your colleagues will be home for Xmas.

Or do you prefer cous cous?

All very ummmmm, interesting Slim but answer my questions would you?

I refer the Honourable Barney Rubble to the CC forum.

All very interesting Slim but what does that have to do with me?

Well if you work BA I would have thought it could have a fundamental effect on you.

If the CC go on strike, how do plan to operate the airplanes?

If the strike escalates how do you plan to fill the planes / cater them / fuel them etc?

He said, she said etc ad infinitum. :ugh: :zzz:

Does anyone in Ryanair give a flying **** how their oppo numbers in BA work, or vice versa ? if so why exactly? Think in both cases there are enough unresolved internal issues to be @rsed how the other half lives. :rolleyes:

Did I say I work for BA?

Actually one does.

At one point in the not so dim and distant past BA set the standard by which all others were judged.

Now the company is a run of the mill, going down the Sabena road carrier.

If BA goes to the wall the rest of us are in deep doodoo: the pax will migrate, and won't come back.

They won't go to VS as they don't have the capacity, nor bmi: they will jump to AF, KLM, AA, UA, DL, LH and be lost.

It will affect not just BA but LHR and LGW: it will destroy the credibility of this country as an aviation nation.

Ryanair has its place in the market as a loco: a bus with wings. BA has its place in the market as a full service, high quality carrier.

There is a balance to be realised between the existing cost base and the service, as there is with rewarding and motivating the staff. If the staff productivity can be increased then it should be: why pay people to swan around and revel in cous cous and salmon?

Flinty,

Please allow the mistaken BA myth to continue.

Do not encourage any of these "Ryan's" into our world. I actually need to get paid.

Slim, that cous-cous is really stuck in your throat isn't it? Shame, it was lovely.

What you've done here is make a bit of an tw@t of yourself really, haven't you? X-Ray made the rather poor assumption that I work for BA and you followed it without checking. You made smartarse comments, ignored my hints because you were target fixated and have really confirmed your own bias that airlines, RYR and buying your way in is the only way to go.

Nicely done ;)

BN. They'll never get in. 'SSTR' on a CV is generally a one-way ticket to the bin.

Lemme guess.

Netjets.

20,000 pilot working days down this year.

Glass houses. Stones.

I suspect Flintstone works for a private operator, probably Netjets.

I have friends there that have had to take a year on year off on 60% salary deal for the next four years, that puts a year contract extension with a payfreeze into perspective.

Strike Two.

Give it up now Slim. If you make this many guesses in your day job I really wouldn't want to be anywhere near you. A wise man once told me "The most dangerous thing in aviation is an untested assumption". He'd have loved you.




As a CRM case study ;)

Barney, don't give a toss. When you go looking for a job with your TR, don't call me :-)

I'm sure Flinty will be 'destroyed' by your most robust stance.

Actually Big Number, DILLIGAF.

Anyone who rates their job on the quality of the food is either a complete banker or not worth the bandwidth :-)

Last time I checked Slim, March wasn't in the summer holidays, let alone summer! - Point well made!
As for 'certain colleagues' getting Aug and Sept off, how are the base TRE's and Cpts doing these days. Either that or they were BRK guys who don't get paid anyway!

My Final Point As for the rosters, no one will ever say that is not the best in the industry because it almost certainly is. Your added extras are about to head straight out the window, and staff travel - if you are referring to the free jump seat policy that allows you to go anywhere on the network (when traveling on company related business), your right, it is by far the best - (unless you book the ticket on the Ryanair website as a normal PAX and half the time it works out cheaper anyway!).

I think that finishing off on a point like you did above, any other company worth its soul pays for uniform and car parking and all those wonderful things, actually, No they don't. Ryanair does not pay for all its worker to have those privileges. Every single BRK pilot who is doing the same job as you, flying the same planes, for the same company have 25 Euro taken out of their pay for parking, plus 30 Euro for the privilege of being paid. But again, they are nothing to do with Ryanair and nothing to do with you. They are not you colleagues, they are contractors who have no rights!