To all who can't see the current reality - in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

Ban me as well as Flintstone if you wish, all we're trying to do is highlight the stupidity of the lemming mentality that exists in todays market, nothing good will come from a wholesale sell-out to people like MOL, the profession is doomed....:eek:

I can't imagine any other 'profession' letting itself be demeaned in the way that has happened to pilots, we used to be something of proper value, now we're a commodity and those like Slim who feebly attempt to suggest that all is OK are living in a parallel universe........

Over and out :ugh:

It will ever be thus with a 'vocation'. That is the nature of the beast. Everyone does whatever for a variety of reasons. Unity is therefore difficult to achieve in any of them. One man's gripe is another's OK. MOL has perfected the art of abusing that. He ain't the first and he certainly wont be the last. I suspect in other vocational professions there is a tight fisted bean-counter at the top. Have a peek under the medical profession covers and I suspect you'll be even more appalled.

Whatever happend to freedom of speech!!

I can't for the life of me understand why Flintstone has been banned for his views on what is a MAJOR issue in our industry.

How can a site such as Pprune still be considered to be impartial with all the advertising which appears at the top of the page encouraging the very same guys Ryanair prays on to part with all their hard earned cash with very shallow promises.

I don't think either of them are currently banned.

It would be a shame if they were, as it's the first even remotely interesting RYR thread I've read for a long time.

Thanks Bruce. Not sure what that contributes to the debate though so feel free to join that old RYR apologist Phantasm/Reluctant737 in confining your insults or (in his case) threats to PM.

Quaking in my boots here.




Banned? Me? When?

easyJet rosters you 5/3/5/4 regardless of sim checks, sickness, leave or base.

What happens to RYR 5/4 pattern when you've been off a couple of days with a cold?


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The only time my roster changes is when I get my sim check it goes to 6/3 for that week.

Argue all you like against Ryanair but try to get the facts straight.

Someone from easyJet slagging another airlines roster? How times change!

5/4 pattern is respected through all of that. The only exception is that they can , by "agreement" ;) nick some days each year (can't even remember how many, was it 5 ? as in reality they usually nicked 1 a year for sim, so that week you only had 3 off.) To the best of my knowledge they never pushed that point, and you truly could plan your life 1 yr ahead with confidence.
It isn't all bad, and that , along with spending 363 nights a year in your own bed (assuming you were based where you wanted, and sleeping with who you wanted :hmm: ) is indeed one of the very best aspects of Ryanair life. The negatives have already been done to death.

All of it's been done to death, frankly.

Those who work for Ryanair couldn't care less what's said and just get on with their job; those that don't (and who keep starting these pointless, rambling anti-Ryanair threads) are, paradoxically, mostly Ryanair wannabes or rejects.

Can somebody start a thread about Ryanair that doesn't re-hash everything that's been said before or better still, just stop wasting bandwidth and take their prejudices elsewhere.

As an ex Ryanair pilot, I can tell you that they're quite able to look after themselves without others being outraged on their behalf. :ugh:

Bruce et al,
Oh what the heck I just can't be bothered............:zzz:
I'll take my world and you live in yours, the tragedy is that our collective profession is wilting under the cosh of the MOL's, but if you're happy with that then fine, I'll go on without further comment and just be glad that I'm not looking for my first job and living happily in another universe. The 'Flintstone' argument is clearly lost on most people here so goodnight all, over and out :hmm:

@asdf1234

Your last post was mostly reasonable but partly pathetic, really the lowest of the low.

"When the pax realise .. the captain is dehydrated and hungry..."

Do you really want it to sound like Auschwitz where you get shot for asking for a drink ?

Don't over-egg it. You can get free water and if you haven't eaten then that's entirely your fault. Grow up so you can carry the weight of your braid without the skinny shoulders wilting and you have to cry " Mama "

Addition to my last post'

Having looked at his posts, if asdf1234 has any braid, then its weight is likely to be measured in nano-grammes.

Oh, I think he'll still have to go some to top Slim's contributions earlier in the thread.

Personally and out of principle I would rather work outside of aviation or spend some time in unemployment than work for someone that I don't like, don't trust and that has nothing but contempt for his employees.

What happens to RYR 5/4 pattern when you've been off a couple of days with a cold?


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Maybe you need some time off?

.......I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply we gave some moments ago.

...sniff.....:ok:

Nothing happens to your roster if you take sick days off - fact.
It would just become

1 - sick
2 - sick
3- work day
4 - work day
5 - work day
6 - off
7 - off
8 - off
9 - off
:ok:

As a BRK employee, would you get paid for those sick days?

No, you don't get paid. But then you knew that.
WWW - So you didn't get back to me about the nice people or otherwise at FR. What exactly were you getting at?

You don't get paid?


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BRK you get paid as you fly
If your sick you get nothing, I would rather chance that with a stable airline than go to others right now as there either not hireing or making people redundant or going bust!

I am year 2 with projected £48k this year top line, minus all the tax and NI which I do myself on the old contract, and then medical uniform and ID (£300MAX!) not really a big deal

its still a very good wage for someone in year 2, more than my doctor friend and ones in other high end careers.

ok there is also the type repayment which is £450 a month and projected to be paid by command time, its a tax expence and so monthly after that is £3550 top line and I am not flying max hours either.

I have two other friends flying in different places, both on "proper" contracts, one in biz jets and one on night freight, first one after tax pulls £2000ish, few perks are the odd day in a nice hotel by the beach all perks paid, and the other is on about the same after tax if he is lucky! and spends his life been driven round the UK in taxi's to the aircraft and flys !!!!ty routes and stays for day rest in !!!!ty hotels and flys a !!!!ty aircraft with no food or water on board and no one to serve them it if there was.

Ryanair is not all that bad, UNLESS you have been in the game since the golden years or are in one of the few places left with T&C's that provide everything, but as those pilots go there not going to be replaced with new guys on like for like contracts i bet..

Sure life could be better,, but my personal view is its still a job and the end of the day that pays my mortgage and gives me a good lifestyle, I am a pilot not a god and dont expect any company to treat me like one, fair days pay for fair days work, not minimum wage as I am highly educated, but I dont deserve £100,000,000 a year like it sounds some guys on here would think they do.

Sounds like a good deal to me. Get sick, don't get paid. Awesome.

So 100 years of social revolution and workers rights have now become meaningless? Cool.

Pilots. Being mind numbingly stupid since 1999.

£48K a year. If you have Dr. friends on less than that, then they must be working for an aid agency as volunteers. I've got friends who work as part time GP's who earn more than that for 2 1/2 days a week.

Whatcha gonna do when you get medically grounded for at least 6 months?

Flintstone you just made my 2 hours of standby fly, great entertainment!:D

A fellow couscous eater.

So the same as RYR then. I mean, there's someone else there, sure. But they don't actually serve you anything do they?

Are they allowed to sell you food and drink?

Do you get a crew discount?


Really? Doesn't show.

Obviously not officer class.

Maybe he is just not English? Doh....

Doctors also get final salary,publically funded pension schemes.Remind me about the RYR/BRK pension arrangements?All those wannabes who fund their way into the rhs of a B737-800 -where do you think it will lead and how sustainable?Reasonable return for the investment?

Hey its great here at Ryanair looking at all you Ryanair bashes, at the momment i'm thinking tomyself which one of you morons are going to lose your job. If you do come on over and you'll enjoy the best pay and best roster in the industry

Oh and we wont make you redundant!!!!!!!!

That's starting to sound a bit different.

Pilot999,
If you ever were made redundant you'll have no worries as you'd make big money as a comedian - 'best pay and roster' ha ha ha, brilliant humour, more please..........:D

I love this idea that RYR is the only stable business in the industry and that just because you don't work for them, you are going to lose your job and that is a good enough reason to bend over and be happy to be treated like that.

Talk about low expectations.

Lots of confirmation bias on this thread. Paying for type ratings, uniform etc and no sick pay or pension is harking back to Victorian Britain. Paying mill owner for permission to come to work. I really believe coal mining 25 years ago was similar to many modern aviation jobs. Poor air, poor diet working anti social hours in the dark......Payed more than the average Jo, but a career? Not any more.

Guys retired or nearing retirement from the legacy contracts then yes, definately a career worth working towards. My advice to any youngster doesn't include civilian aviation. £100k plus can buy a very good qualification in just about anything. Sure it's not guarenteed but aviation isn't and the buzz of flying soon wears off.

God this is pathetic...
Zerotohero presents his case quite well and all the rest of the children on here can do is unsuccessfully take the mick in such a way to make themselves sound completely retarded. As I understand it, he's saying 48k after taxes etc, which is a good wage in anyone's language. If you think otherwise you're either completely spoiled or irretrievably stupid. Anyone that earns that kind of money would be daft not to insure themselves against long term sickness. This doesn't just apply to BRK pilots. Thousands of contractors up and down the UK are in the same position.
I'm getting bored of people who don't even work for RYR knocking it - particularly as the arguments and insinuation against the company are that the people who work there are c*nts (from a mod) and that it is an unsafe operation (based on unsubstantiated rumour - we can all do that about other people's operations), not least because you have to fill up your own water bottle (seemingly the biggest single safety issue in 20 years). Call yourselves professionals? I've seen more professionalism in KFC.
Can't you guys that work for other airlines just be happy with your own lot? I personally couldn't give a monkeys what the T&Cs are at Easy, BA or wherever. It genuinely does not interest me and I can't really figure out why you should feel so strongly about it. If the argument is that MOL is making your life at Easyjet more difficult then get BALPA to deal with it. Oh that's right, they're a load of car industry shop stewards that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. The other option of course is to retire and make spice racks for a living whilst giving the rest of us a break.
On the other hand you might be very happy with your T&Cs and your couscous and being served unhealthy crap on a meal tray to increase your ever-expanding waistline... If so great! Now please shut up.
The fact is that this industry is highly dynamic and has changed enormously to reflect the trends in mass travel. This might be good, or bad, but either way that's the way it is. Bleating about it on here is not going to change anything.

You think RYR FO's net £48,000?

If so its hard to figure why some of them sleep in their cars.

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Gross!

720hrs @ €75.5 per hour (older rate after sim deduction), €54360 / 1.13 average exchange £48106

Who is sleeping in there car? I am not, never heard of anyone that is.

P.S when I said doctor friend I am not talking about established GP I am talking 1st-2nd year out of Med school which is comparable to where I am now.

Whatcha gonna do when you get medically grounded for at least 6 months?

probably phone my insurance company and make a claim, after all thats what i pay it for!

also whats with the WHEN you get grounded,, how about IF. talk about glass half empty thinking

So if you pay UK PAYE, you are earning £34693.00PA net, on 720 hours.
Not bad, year 2 pretty good, but my understanding of Brookfield contracts is this, you are paid for scheduled flight time only, you do not have any basic pay as such, so if you have a month off you are not paid.
Please feel free to correct me on this.

A friend of mine, has just joined our company, he is on, year one, low hours on type, our basic is £36500.00 gross, no flight hours required. Off shore of course. plus flight pay so a average year one is £44420.00, gross, including, insurance, medical, food, water, hotel, etc. for roughly the same hours.

not trying to knock Ryanair, i have little time for them, just showing there are very good alternatives out there.:ok:

Plan for the worst hope for the best. Friend of mine has just been grounded for at least 6 months. He didn't think it was going to happen.

Is your insurance going to pay you three and a half grand a month?