Why should I/we care about my/our colleagues? The majority made it clear to me that they don't consider anyone but themselves.

I take it Mr. Shady does not want to comment on his circle of friends :suspect:.

Hot cous-cous
 

Hey as17,
I find the optimum CCM (cous-cous consumption mach number) is .85M!!

p.s. I'd better point out that I am being flippant -otherwise the Real Dim Shady might get the wrong end of the wrong stick!!

What's going to happen to RYR take home pay when the current tax-free status of sector pay is attacked by the tax man?

Down by £500 a month I've heard..


WWW



ps A17, I've many thousands of more hours on 737's than you dear but I've never been tempted to brag up its high speediness..

Some of us have sensible block times and turnaround times.

Well done as17 you've just prompted me to not bother helping out the next Ryanair who wants to fly faster than me. I shall continue on my merry way saving my company a bit of cash and arriving with a bit more fuel in hand than I expected, not because I have to but because I want to and because I can.

You can now lump it rather than expect me to help. And no I don't work for Easy. But maybe you can tell me why I should you arrogant money driven tool.

When I read threads like this I sometimes despair at what this profession, or at least it's current encumbent perpetrators of aviating as a profession, have allowed themselves to become. . . both professionaly and personally.
Seldom do I have the misfortune to read so much invective and spiteful hot air as found on Ryanair threads, and this one is as "fine":{ an example as I have seen. . . Hell, even the mods are sticking their oar in :ugh:

Gentlemen (and I use the term very loosely :hmm: ) you should be ashamed of the depths to which you have plummeted, what are you, commanders of aircraft ,or a bunch of chavs for chrissakes . . . you sound just like a bunch of Saturday night yobs, sad, bloody sad.

Did nobody ever tell you "live and let live" ?

Grow up ! ! :=

Captplaystation:

Could not agree more!! The intensity of high pitched shrills posted appear to be directly proportional to seniority (here I'm referring to FO, SFO, Capt and TRE). I find this a puzzle and unusual as in most walks of life as we mature and develop experience we become a little bit more thoughtful and less prone to reaction....maybe RYR are promoting Capt at too young an age??? It would appear, anecdotally, that this is RYR promotion strategy as older guys with experience have been sadly sidelined.

"so how much do you get paid actually?"

@ Studi,

Why dont you mind your own business? Yes, there is stil a lot of stuff thats needs improving at RYR, however these daily rants about terms and conditions that really doesnt concern you, is getting annoying. We need support to change, your aggresive behaviour is counterproductive to say the least. Remember physics and the"action-reaction"? Try a more educated approach, think about that next time you sit and eat your crew meal sausages in that Germanwings cockpit of yours:E

21000 pounds according to ppjn as a starter F/O. Is that after tax? :eek:

Nobody has yet mentioned the fact that BRK (and FR?) crews are paid in €euros and not in £sterling.

I still do part time work in the simulator (not for FR) and I also get paid paid in €euros.

If you happen to live in UK (like I do) and you get paid in €euros then you are doing very well compared with some other poor b*stard who is being paid in £sterling.

It will not last for ever but enjoy it while you can!

Weasel,

The sector pay of easyjet is being taxed: the Revenue have conducted an examination of the expenses of FR crew but have not made any resolution reagarding the tax position.

The comparison is not straightforward as easy crews have crew food supplied by the company whereas at FR we don't. The likelihood is that there will be some not insignificant difference in the outcome.

Yes, the lack of crew food will make a difference to the allowance the taxman is willing to give. Despite the drawn daggers here I hope he isn't as mean spirited with you as he was with us the flint hearted swine. We all work hard for our money at the end of the day.

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RYR's 'best paid pilots' lie!
 

as17 Let me guess, he was comparing gross pay (as in not paying any tax!) with net pay (as in after tax paid)?
Don't believe these bloody RYR lies and stop spreading them around. When a RYR captain makes earns the same as a f.o. with Easy (fact!), they are NOT the best paid pilots!!
:=

"When a RYR captain makes earns the same as a f.o. with Easy (fact!), they are NOT the best paid pilots!!"


Please provide the numbers then if you are so sure it is a fact....otherwise, you are talking BS.

No one is forced to work for Ryanair, so I have no sympathy for anyone who does and feels they are being :mad: by them, and conversely I am happy for those who feel they are on a good deal.

We all have choices, and funnily enough, people chose of their own free mind's to work for Ryanair.

Why do those who dont work for them feel the need to complain about the T & C's.

South Coast, ever heard of industry standard?

Please tell me who sets an 'industry standard'?

Surley an industry standard would be the average or mean of the industry, so Ryanair would bring down the average, while a legacy carrier (BA, Virgin) would increase the average, and the average being, the industry standard.

A man is entitled to run his business however he wants, no one forces anyone to work for Ryanair, people are obviously happy to accept those T&C's and so he is allowed to carry on in that fashion.

One company doesn't set an 'industry standard', surely?

So by your argument the industry average would never change because whilst one company is reducing their T&C's another is increasing them.

Status Quo!?

Financial and employment terms and conditions can be adjusted by the management towards their respective averages, and in fact below them as is the case at Ryanair. If the average is lowered then there is less of an argument for other companies to increase them or indeed to leave them where they are.

The standard or average isn't set by one company but it can be affected by one.

What happened at BA this year?

Trends. Downward. Started. Plughole.

EI-022
EZ Senior f.o., based in Spain (MAD) €90k
RYR Captain, based in Spain (MAD/ALC/REU/GRO) €95k

Ok, so the RYR Captain does earn more than a f.o. at EZ :rolleyes:, but then a Captain in EZ, based in Spain would be on around €130k.

You may have a choice to go and work for RYR, maybe because you believe all the lies and facts-spin they're coming out with, but complaining about T&C fall on deafmen's ears and plainly ignored.:ouch:

160K is closer to the mark! ( 5+ yrs service)

http://www.easyjetcareers.com/flight...-contracts.asp

PS these are pre 2008/9 payrise, hence my 160K figure

Over to you Slim.........

hi guys,
just a quick question. Where are Ezy's 737s based? I heard they are all kept in LTN, is that true?

All this thread does for me is to prove Ryan = Cancer!!!

I only had to MOR ryan twice this week what does that say??

:hmm:...........

Ryanair Employ/Contract a huge number of pilots.

Yet theres very few complaints on this forum, possibly FR pilots have better things to do like actually go flying?

Or maybe the car park is not in a wifi hot spot :}

Why is the easyjet basic pay in Europe so much higher than the UK?

It was probably the same when the scales were put in place, now with the exchange rate on the floor, there is a disparity.

I've been told by an FR Capt that new upgrades at FR in some bases are now on left seat gross basic of 55K Euro with reduced sector pay.

Brookfield have also been offering, and some new guys have accepted 90Euro/hr gross, with no further benefits = 81kEuro/yr Gross for a Captain.

Looks like the boys in Orange are better paid.

Pilots will learn when it's broke, just like we learnt about the Banks
 

Just like the heady days of lending, people thought it was normal. The banks' regulators didn't fully understand what was going on or turned a blind eye. Senior management driven by greed & short term bonuses aggressively promoted it. Shareholders loved it as it boosted profits and the market overall. The public lapped it up, as it was good for them at the time.

It then completely disintegrated. To a scale that no one could have predicted.

The parallels with flight crew are uncanny. Only two things will stop the rot:

1) Captains taking a stand

2) An almightly crash resulting in significant loss of life

Edited for accuracy.

Taxing Matters
 

just to make sure that you were heard that Mr Bob Scanlon is approved by brookfield as one of the service providers.
A very large group of us attended a presentation in the Raddison on tuesday and the deal he proposed it a lot better structured and transparent than the one that was suggested a few months ago by another approved provider whom i shall avoid naming !!! all of those others who attended Scanlons presentation signed up with him on the day, as we were a lot more comfortable with his arrangement than the one proposed by the other service provider whom everyone has been avoiding having to sign up with.

What a tremendously constructive and valuable post, really highlights what a great source of information is provided by this thread and truely shows how pprune is such a useful tool. Or..............maybe not.

Come on mods enough is enough. This was a load of !!!!e after the first few posts, time to get rid. That is unless you're going for some award for the biggest load of crap on the internet, in which case I feel certain that congratulations must be in order. :ugh:

Cloud Bunny,

any publicity is good publicity: judging by the number of applications we receive, and interviews we are doing with DEC candidates from "superior" airlines, we must be doing something right !

Just thought i'd have a try again...
 

:uhoh:

God, its been a while since I subjected myself to the senseless bickering and mud-fight threads on-here.
I thought I would give it a try again, but alas...the handbag waiving brigade is still at work in full force slapping each other in the face with insults and petty remarks and completely ignoring the underlying thread topics at hand.

Yup, have fun spouting insults and mis-information at each other. I have had enough again of standing at the proverbial urinal to see who's todger is the biggest and who can piss the furthest.

I'll go and and knit myself a sock for x-mas and watch some house wive television.
:rolleyes:

Balls
 

Dear FC,

Probably the best post I've seen on here for ages. Mind you I've not been on for ages for the same reasons.

Shall I send you that ball of wool I promised? After all, the whole jobs turning to it;)

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