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Leo Hairy-Camel 9th November 2009 19:15

Blowholes and blowhards.
 

Surely you mean Brookfield?
Good evening Fred. Yes, you're quite right, I do mean Brookfield. And perhaps were you to spend less time in the land of smug self-satisfaction and more in the land of the truth, you'd feel less inclined to advertise your peculiar brand of light-aircraft, couscous-fueled superiority. I'm happy for you that you eat so well, truly I am, and to be sure you make my €5.50 toasted Ryanair panini sound rather poorly by comparison, but then I'm not one bad landing or a disgruntled Russian slut away from summary dismissal, am I? Such are my choices in life, Fred. Such are yours. All power to ya, old boy, but keen as I know you are on the subject of Slim baiting, lets you and I try to be friends, eh? I feel quite sure old Slim will have plenty to say on the subject when he's released from solitary.

But I digress. Perhaps you'll find the following helpful, Fred.


So that you can convince us all of this claim I will ask you (again!), what do Ryanair pay into your pension?
Nocturnal Emission99 demands attention, and so he shall have it.

The answer to you question as to what Ryanair pays into my pension each month, night squirt, is zero. Nada, nothing, not an iota. Not a brass farthing, or the smallest of razoo. I hope that clears things up for you.

To this I should add that, before social obligations, I made €18,200 last month. Of that, I placed €10,000 into my self managed retirement fund; high yielding equities mainly, because I'm of the view that retirement planning, like so much else in life, is MY responsibility and no one else's. Besides, I trust my own financial judgment far further than I would the unseen hand of so-called pensioned legacy carriers. For further details, consult the dwarf of County Wicklow and the Tailwind divestment syndicate, or as I like to call it, the leveraged negative equity dance club. I can't speak for other pilots in my situation, but then I'm just a common or garden-variety Ryanair throttle monkey, nothing special, and so I imagine my financial story is not an isolated one.


A lie doesn't get true by repeating it endlessly.
Last word to studi, that plucky doyen of the shrill, batsqueek of meaningless dissent. You'd do well to remind BLAPA of the truth of your words. Clearly, they represent a lesson yet to be taken aboard.

Chesty Morgan 9th November 2009 20:20


but there’s that pesky little thing called truth that oft gets in the way

Every other airline is downsizing or going bust
Ho hum. Mine isn't. But I'm sure that doesn't bother you Leo.

I'm not a member of BALPA.
I've never paid for a type rating. (Any of the 4)
Or I.D.
Or my uniform.
Or parking.
Or any accomodation whilst on duty.
Or slept in my car.
Or had to be just soooo defensive of my employer.
I've done 7 days work in the last 5 weeks, I think 16 sectors.
I'm on a permanent contract, I get paid even if I don't fly.
I couldn't care less how much you get paid.
Or how new and shiney your 737 is, mine is newer and shinier by the way.

I've never applied to Ryanair, nor would I. Ever.

You are not the be all and end all of modern commercial aviation.

Oh yes, rapid commands. I had one and a lot of others have too. It is not the domain of Ryanair.

The Real Slim Shady 9th November 2009 21:19

The Real Slim Shady Is Back In The House
 
Hey Welshman

Great innit having the power to make statements about whatever and whoever and then ban people when you don't like what they say!!

Waste of bandwidth.

I leave you with this:

BA - £292 Million losses, £4Bn hole in the pension fund, job cuts, redundancies
EasyJet - cutbacks, losses, possible redundancies
bmibaby - redundancies, losses, cutbacks and FR ready to finish them off at home at EMA
Jet2 - FR move in they move out
VS - Redundancies, losses forecast
Aer Lingus - about to disappear into airline Valhalla
bmi - Vorsprung Durch Technik - is mainline part of LH plans? Or are the slots more valuable than the people?

FR - Yields down, profits recovering, no redundancies, expansion on going, but no crew meals.

So to you and Fred with his lemon scented pot pourri, scuttling around the shiny bizjet he prostitutes his services on, adieu and once again adieu.;)

Barden 9th November 2009 21:47

There's a common theme here with posters like Leo Camel and Slim Shandy and that's the venal nastiness of their tone. It's simply not officer class.

One revelation from this thread is the Camel, judging by his claimed income, is unlikely to be a member of the line pilot fraternity - suspect he's one of those odd creatures - namely the management pilot. Explains a lot, dunnit?

Say again s l o w l y 9th November 2009 21:54

Slim, you can do better than to resort to cheap insults like that. Play the ball, not the man.

The Real Slim Shady 9th November 2009 22:08

SAS,

You're right.

But I was pissed: I found out that night that my friend from teenage years that I trawled the world with, played football with for the local team etc etc had died.

RIP Norman: we might have been crap at footie but at least we tried.

kick the tires 9th November 2009 22:13

newly released slim said

EasyJet - cutbacks, losses, possible redundancies
Pray tell - where does that come from??

What cutbacks?

What losses?

What redundancies?

You are certainly not referring to the easyJet I work for!

Or did solitary send you even more barking?

The Real Slim Shady 9th November 2009 22:24

OK

Let's all Kick the Idiot.

Try speaking to the EZ crew at EMA, particularly the cabin crew, on the bus from the car park to work in the morning and discover for yourself how worried they are.

Cutbacks........lemme guess.....the EZ orange jets at EMA are just a mirage!

You know the ones I mean, Kick the Idiot, the ones that won't be there come January because of cutbacks!!!

BBC NEWS | Business | Jobs at risk in Easyjet cutbacks

EasyJet cuts flights and 250 staff as airport charges rise - Scotsman.com Business

EasyJet cuts Luton flights, closes East Midlands base

Say again s l o w l y 9th November 2009 23:01

Sorry to hear that Slim.

veetwo 10th November 2009 00:50

Slim

There are no planned redundancies at easyjet. The Luton consultation finished already and there will be no changes to staff numbers there. All affected staff at EMA will be offered a position elsewhere on the network...the aircraft are being redeployed elsewhere, not parked up. That's just a risk of the profession... I'm sure RYR pilots appreciate that MOL might well decide to "relocate" them in the future should the need arise.

It's easy to make grand statements without actually getting to the bottom of the matter. Didn't RYR just move out of Manchester?... didn't they say they were cutting flights at STN this winter? Didn't MOL only the other day say that rapid expansion might halt should a deal with boeing fall though? Quoting headlines means nothing and gives no real indication of the situation on the ground.

As for losses, guess you'll just have to wait till the 17th to see the full year results. However, I don't think "losses" will feature somehow.

V2

dannyalliga 10th November 2009 05:38


To this I should add that, before social obligations, I made €18,200 last month.
Shady,

with the current BRK contract you would have to fly 145.6 hours/month to make that kinda money as a line Capt.
or 132.3/month as a Line Trainer
or 126.8/month as a TRI
or 121.7/month as a TRE
all before tax, the 3% accountant charge and all other self employed expenses.

We would all love to have your contract, who do we ask for that?

kick the tires 10th November 2009 05:39

Thanks to Vee two for answering that - but you forgot RYR pulling out of VLC, any others?

Whilst being mildly amused by Slims post in the past, I do find his name calling childish and obnoxious.

A sign of insecurity I think.

Or perhaps insults are his only tool seeing as all his arguments seem to fall at the first hurdle.

kick the tires 10th November 2009 05:43

MODS - is it time slim was banned agin, so he can go away and try to learn some manners?

belongins 10th November 2009 07:24

@WWW
 
Weeman...
Why are you watching people sleep in thier cars man? :eek:


Plus from Cameltoe:
'of any more substance than an oily fart in a blizzard'

Still chuckling at this - thanks

ford cortina 10th November 2009 07:52

Ryan are shutting the MAN base, shame as I have used them to get back from Charleroi on occasion. :eek:

kick the tires 10th November 2009 10:27

perhaps slim will comment on that too!

Rhodes13 10th November 2009 10:49

Manchester was never a base (ie aircraft overnighting there) purely a destination that we flew to :ok:

Closest bases in the area LPL and BHX.

blackred1443 10th November 2009 11:50

slim,

no redundancies at ryr

how do you make people redundant when they weren't employed by ryr in the first place?

as a significant proportion of ryr pilots are now crookfield contractors redundancies no longer apply

kick the tires 10th November 2009 12:37

slim, sorry to keep adding to the list......

Ryanair will close its six Basel routes from 2 December following a dispute over the airport’s charges.

Airports are getting wise to bully-boy tactics!

blackred1443 10th November 2009 13:42

not to mention the 75% reduction out of shannon

one less carpark for you to have to sleep in slim:ok:

ford cortina 10th November 2009 14:24

With the greatest of respect Rhodes13, Ryanair do not fly from Charleroi to EMA, BHX, LBA or LPL. In Fact 'The Worlds Favourite' sic, airline only go to Edinburgh. But I suppose in the Ryanair way I should be grateful for that. So from now on, I will use Brussels Airlines for that route and get treated like a human being.

Perhaps people forget that travelling Low Cost and I work for one in Africa, does not mean low service. But of course Ryanair does what it says on the tin. It does not get you to the airport you might expect to. As been said on here you cannot buck the market:=

ford cortina 10th November 2009 15:18

Nice one mate:D:D:D:D

postman23 10th November 2009 15:52


Would you really rather work for the minimum wage flipping burgers all day instead of flying on a very modern fleet earning what those at McDonalds would regard as rather a good amount of money? I am no fan of the new reality of life which regretfully is here to stay nor a supporter of MOL (LEO/Slim) but a pilot faced with the choice of :-

a) Unemployment
b) Burgers
c) Ryanair

would need some cunning plan to reject c) in favour of one of the others.
B, A then C. If d) Head on the chopping block was listed, it would come before C.
:ooh:

Flintstone 10th November 2009 17:25


Originally Posted by Leo Hairy Clam
but then I'm not one bad landing or a disgruntled Russian slut away from sumary dismissal, am I?

All my landings are bad so the passengers know nothing different.

I also took precautions with the Russian slut, I told her I was you ;) For some strange reason on hearing your name she immediately produced a bag of blue pills. Strange girl.





Yayyyyy!! Slim's back! Sorry to hear about your friend. Lost a couple myself over the years.



Originally Posted by Slim
Fred ........ scuttling around the shiny bizjet he prostitutes his services on,

Taking money for our services. That would qualify us both as prostitutes the only differences being that I work in a nicer 'house', my pimp doesn't slap me around and I don't take it up the tradesman's.

The Real Slim Shady 10th November 2009 18:45

Evening Ryanair haters. On the smartphone Vexed as I'm in Spain for the negotiation of your next paycut :-)

On that to;ic where in your contract / agreement does it mention payrise? What makes you think you have a divine entitlement to a payrise? Not happy with your pay? You can always leave and join a 40 Thieves airline like bmibaby: rats, 58 of them are facing the dole. Oh no, they,ve applied to Ryanair, haven't they.

Anyhow, must toddle off and have dinner in the hotel that the company booked and paid for. Evening Leo, nice to see you back I'll give you a bell tomorrow and give you the lowdown on the meeting.

Flintstone 10th November 2009 20:15


Originally Posted by Slim
You can always leave and join a 40 Thieves airline like bmibaby: rats, 58 of them are facing the dole.


Pretty poor trolling Slim. After Leo bigging up your return this is the best you can do? Come the day the fates pay you back I can't see anyone going out and getting pissed at the news. Well, unless it's in celebration.

RED WINGS 10th November 2009 22:51

I hope the Baby guys manage to find employment elsewhere, I would hate to think they will be forced to help the cancer grow!

Camel! Im amazed Ive never seen so many made up words! Are you in PR or do you write the contracts?

postman23 11th November 2009 10:15

Skank Airways zero points
 
Mr Shady,

I have no interest in working for what you perceive as the crème de la crème in aviation but your last post clearly reveals the rotten and disgusting mentality that got the better of you and your skanky outfit with time. Not knowing you personally, I still feel confident in saying that, as I believe there were days where you must have been a nice fellow. :(

Bragging about waisting company funds while negotiating pay-cuts is just another example of the low-life mentality at the airline with the ugliest paint scheme in history. Your assumption that people hate Ryanair might not be truly correct sir. There exists a difference in uncontrolled physical repulsive reactions and the emotional state of hate when confronted with the pimp-to-prostitute company philisophy that you advocate. :=

I wonder about one thing; if your 'peers' in the aviation industry condemn your outings and the workforce of your fine carrier loathes you, who do you consider your equals or better your friends? :rolleyes:

If it helps, I can be your friend. Free of charge of course, just like that :).

Cloud Bunny 11th November 2009 10:20

Oh for the love of God can someone please shut this bloody thread down?!!! Full of utter !!!!!e. Initially quite humerous but now just the biggest load of crap on the internet. A pi*s poor advert for PPRUNE.
:mad::mad::mad::*:*:*

pipo1 11th November 2009 14:56

Let's put this to bed once and forever now, shall we?

Leo and Shady are one and the same person i.e. Mickey, or one of Mickey's henchmen, allright?

Don't be fooled by Shady talking to Leo or vice versa!

Took me 30 secs to write, much more time than Mickey is worth.

Bye

Leo Hairy-Camel 11th November 2009 17:11

It's That Time of Year Again.....
 

Leo Hairy-Camel 11th November 2009 17:36

Put yourself down for a couple, old boy, or a couple of hundred if you like.

Satisfaction is just a click away.

By the way, I've flown with Miss July many times. She's lovely. We, all of us, have private talents.

Leo.

Skyhigh86 11th November 2009 17:59

I was asked by a "friend" if theres going to be a 2010 calendar out?

If so where could my "friend" purchase one?;)

The Real Slim Shady 11th November 2009 18:42

No worries Vexed: when you leave I'll give you a reference:


Vexed has been dressing up as a pilot for several years now: during this time he has been a model pilot on board Ryanair's Boeing 737-800 aircraft between (fill in the start date) and ( fill in the end date): unfortunately not a working model. His talent's are unique and he has good and original thoughts which have been well received: regrettably, the original have not been good nor have the good been original.

He has the boundless energy and enthusiasm of a puppy: however, in such a responsible position it is rarely appropriate. He has set himsef consistently low standards and has struggled to achieve them: he is an individual condemned to travel through life pulling doors marked "push".

It would be fair to say that Vexed is a funny man. Indeed, he has the wit and comic timing that any stand-up comedian would be proud of. Unfortunately, being a comedian doesn't necessarily make one a good pilot: when he says " I have control", it is, in fact a lie.

Nevertheless, he is one of the safest pilots in the company: always at least 5 minutes behind the aircraft.

On the social side Vexed makes strangers immediately: he could, in fact, conduct a successful argument with a signpost.

Notwithstanding that he does have have all the qualities of an old faithful family dog, except loyalty.

Chesty Morgan 11th November 2009 19:26


in the hotel that the company booked and paid for
I think it's rather telling that you have to mention that specifically Slim. Well that's us told then:ouch:

The Real Slim Shady 11th November 2009 19:35

well Chesty y'all keep going on about sleeping in cars and how poor we are I just wanted to make the point.

The room even had a bed, curtains and a shower !

The Real Slim Shady 11th November 2009 20:37

Well Vexed, several colleagues have expressed their preference in me taking over the reins from Big D. Of course, you will know that I declined the job previously because the roster was inappropriate to my personal circumstances, perhaps this time round I may just apply.

Chesty Morgan 11th November 2009 21:46

And that is the point Slim. That you had to make a point of it!

as17 12th November 2009 01:31

Some thoughts on this hate filled rant
 
Its bloody insulting that all of you non Ryanair guys think we don't get paid enough to either stay in a house at our base or in a hotel when we are out of base. I get paid plenty of money, and when I am out of base its an extra 20 euros per sheduled hour which in my experiance is more than enough to stay in a 4 star hotel. I don't like Ryanair, but they pay me to fly aeroplanes. I go in to work and do my job and then go home again. I have no loyalty to the brand or company, but as long as they keep paying me I don't care. If they ever want me to do anything I am not contractly bound to do I will tell them where to go unless there is something in it for me.

I am earning more money than my friends who are working at other airlines who didn't have to pay for thier type rating. And I have two friends from my flying course flying biz jets, both of whome have to have second jobs to make ends meet. Thats even with the couscous they are given for free during the cruise. At the end of the day I'm the one driving a sports car and they still have the same thing they were driving through pilot training. Not that I have anything against them, they are both great freinds of mine. I guess we can't all work for Netjets eh?

To the original point of this thread- it is disgraceful that Ryanair are having a pay freeze for Ryanair pilots given that they have made a vast profit this year. The airline is run by accountants and I know that they can easily manipulate the books so they can screw the pilots on their pay deal.

However, I flew with a captain last week who's brother works for Easyjet as a captain as well. Although they are a lot "nicer" and look after you there, he said he earns a lot more than him- even after all the stuff you have to pay for yourself at Ryanair.

And WWW, you are an idiot- probably one of those arrogant Easy guys who thinks that working for easyjet is as good as BA and who clog up the airways down to Spain by flying at .77 the whole time. Get over yourself... and get out of the way. Some of us don't have to fly at cost index 0.

17.

dannyalliga 12th November 2009 02:59

as17,

how mature are your thoughts?let's see:

1- you don't care about the brand as long as they pay you (just like a hooker)
2- you get paid plenty of $ and when out of base 20 extra (you are then on a floating BRK contract completely forgetting that there are based guys who often don't reach the 60 hours/month mark and make less than half your money...but you don't care as said in point 1)
3- You had to pay for your type and you drive a sports car (easy when cheating the tax man)
4- Bashing Net Jets while their pilots and management have shown what solidarity means during a recession, but you obviously don't care about solidarity.
5- The company is making huge profits but still does not wanna share a single $ with its workforce, but it's ok because our Captains make more than the Easy ones (working ethics go out of the window for you since the only language you seem to understand is $$).
6- you think that flying at .77 or cost index 0 means clogging your way down to Spain but what would you do if tomorrow an FCI would tell you to set 20 in the cost index?Would you still be brave enough and fly fast or just follow orders and slow down clogging the others?By the way you obviously have no knowledge of the fact that flying at .79 you are clogging many guys who can fly at speeds your 737 cannot even dream of.


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