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I agree with all the latest posts - best the letter is deleted.. As someone who has previously had posts removed by the moderator for mentioning names, I'm suprised a moderator hasn't had the good sense to take it off too - sorry Mon757chick...

I believe the letter should be deleted also. I wonder who posted it, management maybe?

What letter? :cool:

Big mistake posting that. This is a very private battle at the moment and should be kept that way. The CC and BALPA have worked extremely hard, so let's not spoil it please.

How interesting.. Management pilots have been appearing in crew rooms around the country - me thinks someone is getting anxious...:}

its gone a bit quiet on this forum is that because people have just stop caring and given up all hope of getting a good pay offer or is it because the majority have decided to accept TJ's offer,, so, whats the verdict?

Have a look on the BalpaCC site HOT....!!! Let's be fair about it ALL Monarch CC Balpa/pilot issues should be there NOT on here! When a vote has been carried out and the results issued, I am sure word will get around! 360 you a member of union at Monarch?

Not given up hope, and TJ can "get bent" as Bart Simpson would say.
It is quiet on here 'cos everyone is busy writing CVs!

I'm sure by now that the various management types floating around the various crew rooms today are starting to get the message.
The implied threats, and blank refusal to accept the other side of the argument does TJ no credit what so ever. He should've stayed at Ryanair:yuk:

We all know most of the current problems can be attributed to RS. Few trust or respect him and the sooner the rest of the top floor realise this the better.The pilot management is littered with far more capable candidates who would never have caused such ill feeling amongst the pilot workforce. Its time for a change.

I have an interview with Monarch in July. At the moment I work for a good loco (no prizes for guessing who), and I would consider Monarch as a good career move.

I am shocked however to see pilots are unhappy at Monarch and the old saying "no one seems to leave monarch....", doesn't seem to hold water anymore from what I'm seeing on pprune.

Are things that bad, and what are the Terms and conditions that you guys seem so unhappy with? Is it mainly rostering, rest time and routes?

Does anyone know what fleet and bases Monarch are recruiting for?



Thanks

BM

Fool's Ode
 

My name is Tricky Dicky,
I was the Ops director
I really should have listened,
But instead I gave a lecture.

I made comments of my trainers,
now they've told me not to meddle
So I've written them a letter,
In order to back peddle.

I never said a thing you guys,
It really is absurd
It's just those BALPA militants,
They're are stiring up the !!!!.

My boss is Tim O'Leary,
who claimed to know the feeling
but one visit to the crew room,
has left the bugger reeling.

So he's written to the pilots,
this time without the threats
Will he stop them striking,
I'll not be taking bets.

"It's been a big mistake chaps,
I never knew at all
Richard didn't tell me,
Coz he hasn't got the balls".

"Please think about my bonus,
whilst you watch the airline grow
you fund it with your wages,
as if you didn't know".

"I know I could stop the ballot,
By increasing the pay offers
But by making hollow promises,
It doesn’t hit the coffers".

What will happen now Tim?,
we'll give you just one guess
Your bonus is in danger
Coz we'll all be ticking YES!

Dear BM737
I refer you to the answer I gave brian_potter on page 18....
"The reason they are advertising for F/O's is because a lot are leaving for Easy, BA, Virgin and Aer Lingus amongst others. The reasons they are leaving are mainly pay, pension, lifestyle issues and roster disruption.
If you work for Easy you would most likely take a significant pay cut by moving to Monarch and your pension won't improve. If you do work for Easy I'll swap you jobs!"
Think very BLOODY carefully before considering swapping Easy for Monarch. We've had people come to us from Easy and then go back to Easy because it is not a move up the ladder in any way shape or form! It is a less well paid, less secure, more disruptive life at Monarch.

And the man at the top spins all words

here's a previous TJ devious shot

http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0228/ryanair.html

Then he was the "My Travel Lite", where are they now? (and all we seem to be doing is more of the same out of BHX ) Monarch's core money making charter and long haul is suffering whilst we mess around with the lo cost model with a hotch potch fleet of ageing aircraft and TJ says yields are down we can not afford to improve company infrastructure and staff members pay and life style. We have to employ low cost staff to be able to compete with the higher cost employes that other competitiors have !

BM737,

Sphinx is right, If your at EZ your mad to leave. My mates in easy are taking home around £700 more than i am per month!!!!

Roster instability is prevalent, its not worth the paper its written on.

Routes on the Minibus fleet is Spain. 75/76/330 see a little bit more of the world.

If out T&Cs improve Monarch might becom a place to move to, however with the current conditions and the new proposal from management, it is DEFINITELY NOT a place to come.

I feel sorry for all the newbies...... joining a company thats on the verge of a strike. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.....

Bright Eyes, I've printed that off and I read it about once an hour. I'll keep reading it as long as it makes me laugh.

You'll Work 'Till 64
 

ZeBedie you really shouldn’t have encouraged me! please singing along with the following, to the tune of The Beatles “When I’m 64”.

When I get hold of the ballot result, in just two weeks from now
Will you still by flying my big shiny jets?
Reporting early?
Carrying defects?

When I get home at quarter to three, Friday afternoon
Will you be reporting for the Dalaman?
You’ve not seen your family?
I don’t give a damn!

Chorus:
The shareholders need me
Because I’m so greedy
I just keep wanting more!

Send me an email, Drop me a line, Anything will do.
But if you tick yes on your paper,
I'll make a tough call
They’ll be no 78’s then,
I’ll take in my ball.

Chorus:
I don't want to sound needy
But please believe me
I just can't give you more!


With apologies to Ringo, Paul, John and George.

Bright-Eyes, you have a rare and special talent.

The relative value of Pilots, Cabin Crew & Engineers?
 

After many lengthy meetings with BALPA, the pilots union, Monarch has offered its pilots RPI of 4.6% on the condition that they accepted detrimental changes to their contracts. These included a reduction in the length of a day off and the ability to roster more consecutive night flights. This despite overwhelming evidence of Monarch’s poor pilot T’s and C’s within the industry, in part due to 5 years of below industry standard salary increases and a complete disregard to quality of life issues.

However, without any representative meetings, the rest of the Monarch workforce has been offered an unconditional 4.6%.

This is on top of the derisory offer to the engineers and the very poor deal accepted by the cabin crew.

The clear message -

Monarch Airlines does not value its front line staff. Monarch pilots, cabin crew and engineers are obviously held in less regard by TJ than the rest of his staff. This on top of the recent insults by management concerning it pilot trainers!

Is this deliberate divide and rule or just another **** up by a senior management team seemingly unable to manage?

Is this a surprise? Look at the office staff rest area set up in Luton HQ with flat screen TV, free internet connection, sofas, tables and decent vending machines.

Compare and contrast with zero facilities provided for the cabin crew checking in at 0400 for 5 or so hours of airport standby.

I'm not begrudging the office staff their facility - good luck to you all - but the contrast makes the point, especially when compared with what other airlines provide for their aircrew who do airport standbys.

Earnst,

dont give TJ any more ideas,, i dont think he's caught onto the idea of pilots doing airport standbys yet

Oh yes he has!
The only reason pilots aren't doing them is because the pilots' CC said no to them. They did in fact appear on a pilot's roster in early May which you should know if you are a BALPA member as it was covered in the other place at the time.
Pity the cabin crew union didn't say the same when they were introduced on their rosters.

Sorry if I am interupting, but what's the rosters and life like on the A300 with Monarch at LGW anyone?

Flapoperator, any initial roster in monarch bares little or no resemblance with what you end up doing, as has been said before on here you can be rostered for an early pmi and end up doing a night rhodes, that night, pi**ing the wife off when she has arranged a barbie, happens more often than not, or you get off a lunch time faro and on landing you find out that you have to take the a/c to the other side of the country and taxi back arriving back at 5am ish :ugh:, company dosnt care how long your duty extends after the flying bit.

anotherflapoperator .... the reason you have been offered a job is because they are trying to plug the gaps from the guys leaving .. its not as if the A300 is an expanding fleet ! i know of 2 guys on that fleet who are leaving, both for lifestyle reasons do yourself a favour and make sure you read all the posts on this thread - most of them are from line pilots who have good reason to complain.

So I hear an agreement has been reached, has anyone got any ideas as to whats on offer?

The offer was WELL below expectations to say the least!!!!!!! Only RPI with a slight tweak to the first couple of F/O scales. Oh yes, we will also get approx 80 pence per flying (not duty) hour. I still think that bit is a joke, it must be, surely it must!!
On the BALPA site there is disbelief.
Either the CC have a master plan or they have come way short of expectations. There will be plenty of jobs going cuz the youngsters will not be staying.
I feel a few more very cheesed of postings will follow.

Cheesed off posting coming right up!!

So the CC have put the offer on the website - and the result?? UPROAR! Are you reading this management?? That's right, complete 100% NO from everyone posting..disbelief and a hardening of resolve. So much for our management "listening and understanding" -

It's clear that despite the CC's best endeavours, management have not moved an inch and the Council have had to put this derisory insult to us as nothing else was forthcoming. The CC are under no illusion as to how the membership feel - shame mangement are not... Looks like an intersting summer ahead... I don't think the Fo's should be dusting down their CV's, rather the monkey grinder and the ware rabbit..:}

Had a sneaky peak on the CC website this morning (very nice WiFi) here, and it would appear the CC are quite happy to put this to members purely on the basis that they will reject it.
If the IA ballot comes back with an overwhelming YES vote, then the CC are in a far stronger position to negotiate.
My spies tell me that TJ and his cronies have already conceded that the vote will be a resounding YES, so again it would appear that they have tried to head off the action with an offer that they thought they could get away with, or that PB see's as all he is prepared to offer.
Make no mistake though, PB is the real puppet master, and he learn't his negotiation skills off the fellow who did over the First Choice pilots a while ago. PB is a bully and needs someone too sit him on his lardy arse.

And of course, the CC negotiators are really going to be helped by someone (supposedly) looking at their website and broadcasting their alleged tactics to all and sundry via Pprune.

Give it a rest Hirsutesme, any idiot can put 2 and 2 together, even TJ can see this coming, its not exactly rocket science:hmm:

I have to agree with you Monarch man! Hirsutesme i would love to know what tactics your talking about at the end of the day the offer is on the table and its up to us to decide.

Hi

Can someone please tell me at which bases the A300's and 757's are predominantly based at.

Many Thanks

BM737

A300 & B757 aircraft are predominantly LGW & MAN based.
1 x B757 at EDI for Summer and 1 x A300 in DUB, but crews are not based at EDI or DUB....at least not at the moment :oh:

You get shunted to EDI or DUB normally for 3-4 days at a time and normally as a plot change ! If you want an easier life then the 300 is the one, flying considerably less hrs year on year than 757 drivers. The down side to the 300 is that you become very familiar with the QRH, especially the hydraulics section. LGW main base for both of those fleets. Both fleets should be dying out, but company are hanging on to the machines as long as possible.

If you want a jet job, come here, fly and pay off you bond and p*ss off, the pension, pay, plot changes are crap.

DONT DO IT.

Thanks.

I have an interview with Monarch soon, and I am sorry that things appear so bad. However I still plan to attend the interview, and if offered a job I will consider very carefully, but would be very tempted to accept.

Do you know what aircraft type they are recruiting for? It was mentioned that the 75's and 300's are being phased out so I can't imagine much recruitment on these types.

Once again thanks for your replies.

Babymike737

This company is one of the best airlines to work for because of its great pilots.

The mgmt are on the run and things will soon be much better.

A320/1 is the type most recruited for at present. Your interview will consist of one thing - them establishing that you are not a tw@t. Convince them of this and you are in.

Good luck.

Babymike737 - I would imagine there will be recruitment on all aircraft types due to people leaving, especially if the T&C's dont get sorted out !!
Dont come blinkered with thoughts of - Monarch has a good reputation, you dont hear much about Monarch, Monarch have been around for years they must know what they are doing.
If you come with such thoughts you will be sadly disappointed, there are 2 Monarchs the good old days and present day.
Do as nilcostoptionmyass says - many are.

Just my two cents worth FC.

Ps - I also agree with Rushed approaches 1st sentence above. There are some great guys and girls here.