Had a sniff here after a while abroad and fancied the simple life in the regions. Crap T's +C's if you got any serious time, in my opinion they are taking the proverbial. They are only going to get senior f/o's from other crap companies who want a command or old pilots who have made their cash. The 195 is years away for a new joiner and even when they guarantee your base standby for rostered weeks at other bases living in a B+B to make up for shortfalls. They work you hard and play hardball with you!
Methinks too many orders, !!!!e pay etc and they going to have snags. If they were any good their f/o's might stay with them but as it stands they desperate for capts, the f/o's get some hours and go to better companies. They are a training/feeder airline for everyone else. If type rated with any kind of time you could be an orange capt on almost twice the pay of a Q400 skipper with far better T's+C's.

Stay Away unless you a 200 hr newbie desperate for a job.

PS sim ride a joke if you flown glass, it designed for seneca pilots!

I see on PPJN.com it appears Flybe are on the recruiting drive again correct?

MaxAOB is talking mainly cr@p!. Yes, flybe are recruiting again, and likely to be for some time with current expansion plans.

OK. Look. Get this straight: Flybe is recruiting like mad. The simple fact is that the Q400 (a bloody good aeroplane, BTW) will outnumber the E195 (an unproven liability) by about 3- or four-to-one when the company's expansion is complete. So if you want to fly for the UK's biggest Loco, you'll join on the Q400 as Capt or FO depending on experience. The Jet (so what?) is staffed from internal transfer ONLY.

The company is set to grow out of all recognition in the next few years, so if you want a seniority number nearer the top than the bottom of the list, get stuck in!!

No, I'm not management.

flybe FO base salary
 

I know on this is a bit off the topic, but whats the starting salary for a FO on the Dash 8. It says £26,191 on ppjn.com, however that figure was last updated in Nov 2005

Has there been any change since then?

Km

KM,

No there hasn't because 'management' are behaving like @rseholes and refusing to come up with an offer on pay & conditions that's anything like acceptable. AS appears to have failed to appreciate that to fly more aeroplanes, you need more pilots. Sadly, you don't get more pilots (in fact experience shows that you only barely cover turnover) by treating/ paying them like fools!

WAKE UP!!

Kashmachine,

As far as I know, if you do your type rating with Flybe you pay a chunk back each year for five years. It brings the basic salary down to £22k + a bit starting off.

SR

A bit off the mark. The company bonds you for 3 years, and there is no repayment made back to the company for your training - they pay for the TR in its entirety. It is currently funded through a personal loan with Barclays bank, which the company pays for (including interest) to the tune of around £450 a month. This is paid into your personal account along with your regular salary each month and then deducted 3 days later by Barclays.

The salary for current year 1 FO's is correct as per PPJN, but rumour has it that new joiners will be taking a £3K pay cut and having to accept a 3 year non-reducing bond, as opposed to the present arrangement of a 3 year reducing bond.

Yes. Simple as.

Bearing in mind that a lot of the guys flying it are straight out of training. It's a far better experience for them than getting dragged around the sky by an Airbus.

Thank you Maude Charlee, I stand corrected. Regarding:

The salary for current year 1 FO's is correct as per PPJN, but rumour has it that new joiners will be taking a £3K pay cut and having to accept a 3 year non-reducing bond, as opposed to the present arrangement of a 3 year reducing bond.

If the above is correct, will current flightcrew / unions stand by and allow the company to erode the terms and conditions for new joiners?

SR

Chesty I know a bucket load of cadets who might just argue the point on your airbus v Q400 gem. Also in the grand sceme of things where cadets owe training companies a small fortune, you won't find too many of them taking £ from Flybe when the others are offering £££.
Have you flown an airbus by the way?

Agreed! Without doubt.

Just a bit of gentle banter Chec;) The job of a commercial airliner is to get passengers from one end to the other as safely and efficiently as possible. I have no doubt that the Airbus is as good, if not better, than all the others.

No! Has anyone?:E

Yes. I stand by the comment. The Q400 is a bloody good machine. As a commercial tool it's unbeatable in its market area. OK it's not as comfortable from a pilot's point of view as an airbus but, operationally it's identical for practical purposes.

The presentation of the EFIS is very similar and the 'FMGC' logic is likewise. Leaving aside the cruise phase, the speeds (ie; in the terminal area) are very similar,too. The FMS is similar enough to be a good training tool - even if it is used under current SOPs like a glorified Trimble. What it lacks is auto thrust and a speed brake to make life easier.

And that's the real problem, from Flybe "management's" view point: they are not competeing in the retention stakes with turbo-prop operators but with airbus owners, who have come to recognise the value of Q400 experience in assesing suitability for employment.

The fact is that they are recruiting to the limit of capacity just to stand still. Something's gonna have to change to cope with the expansion (a doubling at least of the aircraft fleet) planned for the next few years.

Note to Chief Operating Officer: 2.4%? You are having a laugh, aren't you? :D

yes but the airbus has a table that's stressed to take the weight of a hostie. Probably even a Flybe one :p
and don't slag the CEO := he used to be a great............dispatcher!

Well plenty of those "cadets" from FlyBe might disagree..judging by the number who have visited Luton for interviews recently:ok:

'Tis true we are again having an exodus! But I suspect this is more to do with pay and T&C's than anything else.

So what is happening on the flybe pay offer. It's all gone quiet again!

The last I heard (a couple of days ago), was that the CC did not support the revised company offer, which was - flybe BALPA members have yet to hear officially from the CC.

FB

Wake Up
 

2.4%
Degrading terms and conditions
No prospect of jet seat for 5 years
Bit of a no-brainer really.
If management are reading pay attention, you may have a strike to contend with if you continue this route.:D

Oh, they won't have to put up with a strike, for one very simple reason: they want to sell the company and no investor will come within a hundred miles of an airline whose pilots are in formal dispute with its management. The Chief Operating Officer (whose time would be better spent in a nice little holiday job while he waits for his GCSE results) has formed the misguided opinion that he can simply bully his way to the solution he wants without compromise. Read the stats, Andy; in Prof. Muir's report period despite frantic recruitment you increased pilot numbers by a nett three. Flights are already being cancelled for want of crew. More aircraft are being delivered.

Go figure. To:mad:ser

:ugh: :*

It would appear the Flybe just never learn. They've been short of crew since the mid 90's and nobody at a senior level has ever contemplated why? They habitually bite the hands that feed them. Maybe they should take a look at the mess Easyjet ended up in recently over pay and conditions and see if they really want to go down that road. Stick to your guns guys, get the union membership up and go for it.

Just to update Maude Charlee's post.

As from the recent intake of new flight crew that began their employment with Flybe in late June, the bond is quite definately a three year NON reducing bond. However, nothing has changed wrt the FO's year one salary.

GFYA

Flybe
 

Just been called for interview
Any helpful pointers appreciated
Kindly send PM if you already work for them
Cheers

Must be easy . . .
 

. . anyone can get into to FlyBe, it's getting out that is the problem :ugh:

love it!!!

Love it.........

Quite the reverse actually, but some of the recent recruits have been so poor that there was no other choice!

What was it, 18 sectors with a covering FO? That's worrying! :eek:

Equally, some of the direct entry captains were more than a little scary. Just as well the management was prepared to take prompt action :ugh:

Hi Snigs, can you divulge what backgrounds the "poor" guys had? or was it a mixture of experienced, low hrs, modular & integrated etc?

Cheers

Dean

Deano, not too long a go some of the trainers seemed to be making some kind of political statment and were chopping people left, right and center.

Things like flying 1 knot too slow or fast on OEI go arounds. Even the Fleet Tech Pilot, an ex RAF test pilot, was failed on his recurrent sim.

There was a course of 8, I believe, integrated low hour guys. 7 of them were chopped for reasons such as the above. Of course there is probably more to it than that, maybe, but that was the rumour going around the line for a while.

It's much better now and is more training than testing.

Snigs, it is actually a minimum of 44 sectors with a covering F/O for as long as the training captain deems necessary. Some of the not too recent new joiners have had over 70 training sectors. Not ideal I agree but the company doesn't want to fail you.

I don't know where you've heard that from but it's wrong. A minimum of 44 line training sectors yes, but with a covering F/O - absolutely not, the minimum nowadays is 4 - I had 1 !!

Deano777, no, sorry that wouldn't be fair on the individual, and would just be a small snapshot of a very wide picture!

RAFAT, Spot on

Chesty Come on, 1 knot, that is balls and you know it. Do you have an axe to grind?

RAFAT, it's up to the training captain. Maybe you should quote the whole sentence next time. Well done for only needing one. I jumpseated for one guy for his first 8 training sectors.

Snigs, like I said, that was the rumour. I have not got an axe to grind. All the trainers I've come across, line and sim, have been spot on, and that includes both current fleets. It was a couple of Dash sim trainers who were trying to make a point. And I believe that they have been removed from their training duties.

Chesty - I've just re-read your earlier post, and now fully understand what you were trying to say : "It's a minimum of 44 sectors, with a covering F/O present for as long as the Training Captain deems necessary."

Missing out the comma after 'sectors' meant that I misinterpreted your sentence, sorry to be pedantic.

By the way, the only reason I had 1 sector with a covering F/O was down to the fact that they had to position someone in to do it, and that person had already worked the earlies at his own base so could only fit 1 sector in, nothing at all to do with 'talent' as I spent the rest of that day in complete bewilderment. That was quite a few years ago though when the Company had absolutely no idea how to train and deal with Approved Course graduates.

With regard to the overly pedantic trainers, the rumour is partially correct, but that happened at least 2 years ago and the guys were simply given a talking to. One has moved fleets and the other is still a DHC8 trainer.

Whoop Whoop Pull Up
 

. . . . actually ive heard that its quite easy to get chopped!
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I know of one old F/O who very recently tried every trick in the book to get chopped and it didn't happen :ugh:

:D

Not wishing to hijack thread but does anyone know roughly how many people are going through the initial TR courses at the moment?....still treading water down here!!

SR

RAFAT, English lesson noted:ok: :}

Chesty - :ok: :ok:

M/Ali - Why did he want to get chopped?

It's amazing how powerful a comma can be. :ok:

Re-read and properly understood.

I'm still amazed at the 1 knot issue though. Did that really happen? Good job that the TRE for my LST was a little more forgiving than that! :)

RAFAT I'm not sure that he wanted to get chopped, just gave the trainers every opportunity (and more) to wave bye bye! (and yes, I was one of the many covering FO's)

Problem is that at that stage the training money is spent (at least when the covering FO isn't needed), and the company thus want some return. The training Captains really earn their money in situations like that!

Snigs - Yes, the 1 kt thing, i.e. zero tolerance, was really an issue at one time for all sim profiles, EFATO, OEI Go Arounds etc. Much better now though.