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stormin norman 20th Jun 2020 13:34

Looks like the end of the road for the 747.

CaptainSensible 20th Jun 2020 14:09


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 10815865)
Only one problem - the RPI is well less than one per cent.

I meant since itís been frozen. 1992 £30K should be nearer £52K today.

wiggy 20th Jun 2020 14:59


Originally Posted by stormin norman (Post 10816118)
Looks like the end of the road for the 747.

Not according to the optimists on the Fleet, but it certainly looks like a major reduction in hull numbers (no surprises there then)

overstress 20th Jun 2020 16:01


Originally Posted by stn (Post 10814663)
Yes, I agree.

No, sadly if you give something away, you'll never ever getting it back :ugh: that's why I won't be able to retire in 20 years unlike grey captains I fly with, they sold my retirement age and allowed a dozen new lower paygrades below them in the last recession as these didn't matter to them. Golden times are long gone.

Sold your retirement age? Allowed lower paygrades? A bit of a misrepresentation there....

overstress 20th Jun 2020 16:04


Originally Posted by stormin norman (Post 10816118)
Looks like the end of the road for the 747.

Keep looking. The fleet isnít finished yet. It will return a bit later than the original plan (thanks, Pritti Patel) so training is suspended to schedule in recency to suit the later date.

kcockayne 20th Jun 2020 16:14


Originally Posted by CaptainSensible (Post 10816139)
I meant since itís been frozen. 1992 £30K should be nearer £52K today.

OK. With you now.

GeeRam 20th Jun 2020 16:19

I see the BOAC jet made the hop from LHR to Cardiff today.

Skyfaring 21st Jun 2020 06:32

Training exemption - ORS1383
 
Hi all,

Iíve been following the thread and news, and am sorry for all of you at BA who have worry of potential forced redundancy / changing T&Cs. I myself have been served notice of redundancy by my operator so know the stress youíre all feeling - especially in these market conditions.

Having read the recent news of BA suspending training on the 747, Iím a little surprised that BA have been training at all during the Covid-19 pandemic following the CAAs ORS 1354 and subsequent 1383 until the 31th October.

Surely BA management would have taken advantage of this regardless of internal training capacities to reduce costs within this department? My OPC was due in May but postponed using this exemption, am Iím unlikely to complete training before Iím handed my P45.

So those in the know, is there a reason why BA have been sending pilots to sim training when this ORS is active? Is it simply that the backlog would cause havoc when the ORS ceases?

krismiler 22nd Jun 2020 00:28

Are Lingus Pilots got a deal which provides for the return to previous pay levels in September next year and no redundancies for themselves, although 500 jobs go in other areas.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html

wiggy 22nd Jun 2020 06:13


Originally Posted by Skyfaring (Post 10816531)
So those in the know, is there a reason why BA have been sending pilots to sim training when this ORS is active? Is it simply that the backlog would cause havoc when the ORS ceases?

I think it is pretty much that.


PorridgeStirrer 22nd Jun 2020 11:44

Within IAG, BA has been operating the turnaround ppe trips to China with 7 pilots whereas EI has been using 5 pilots. Not relevant to the discussion but an interesting comparison.

TURIN 22nd Jun 2020 14:15

Furlough scheme to be extended to 31st July.

777JRM 22nd Jun 2020 16:00


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10817294)
Are Lingus Pilots got a deal which provides for the return to previous pay levels in September next year and no redundancies for themselves, although 500 jobs go in other areas.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html


OK, so this is an IAG company with both long and short-haul flying, like BA.
Shares in the holding company are listed as IAG shares.
BA makes two-thirds of profits for IAG.

So BA employees should not be screwed any more than those at Aer Lingus.


PC767 22nd Jun 2020 16:38


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10817713)
Furlough scheme to be extended to 31st July.

May I ask where this is reported, there is a rumour that it has been requested. Similarly that the S188 was incorrect in some way requiring a reissue. Are these hopeful rumours?

GLCYZ 22nd Jun 2020 18:16

Certainly at CityFlyer pilots and ground-based staff have had their furlough extended to the end of July. Cabin crew furlough runs until the end of June, for now. I can’t speak for mainline.

TURIN 22nd Jun 2020 20:24


Originally Posted by PC767 (Post 10817838)
May I ask where this is reported, there is a rumour that it has been requested. Similarly that the S188 was incorrect in some way requiring a reissue. Are these hopeful rumours?

BA have requested it, I have no idea who needs to approve it. I can't see any of the TUs objecting. I don't know about the S188. BA did say weeks ago that they would start sending redundancy letters out after 15th June. As far as I know that hasn't happened. Either BA were bluffing or the BA Betrayal campaign has had an effect.

TURIN 24th Jun 2020 10:17

Furlough confirmed until the end of July. Targeted return to work for some as flights build up.

Jumbo2 24th Jun 2020 21:43

Turin is cabin crew for BA mainline and with the above referring to themselves. The cabin crew furlough has indeed been extended. Mainline pilots are not given the option to take part in the government furlough scheme.

TURIN 24th Jun 2020 23:06

Not sure how you got the idea I'm crew. I'm not, for the record.

But yes you are correct, the extension of furlough only applies to those depts that were already furloughed.

GLCYZ 25th Jun 2020 09:34

CityFlyer cabin crew are now furloughed for July, subject to recall (pilots and ground based staff were already furloughed).


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