As has been said, er, this is nonsense.
BA's Line Maintenance handle almost all IAG airlines including Vuelling, Iberia/Iberia Express and Aer lingus. They all pay BA for this service. Each line station takes this as revenue which offsets station costs. It's a win win all round. The money stays within the IAG domain but all parties pay. If anything, BA are profiting from it. There are reciprical services offered by Aer Lingus and Iberia.

Could you elaborate on this? I only ask as the majority of staff have been under the impression that ALL staff are going to be made redundant on 15th June and those not made compulsory redundant (the 12000) will be offered new (inferior) contracts.

One only has to engage ones brain for a few moments to realise this is rubbish. BA is not going to sack everyone, they would need cause. BA is not going to make everyone redundant, they are doing this to save money not blow a load unnecessarily on non required redundancy pay. Contracts may change but only those who do not accept the new contract or who fail to be accepted for the new contract will be made redundant. EVERYONEs’ job is at risk, that is whole point of the S188 letters, but only c12000 (Far fewer than the unions would have you believe) will be made redundant,

Agreed.
Despite trashing the brand further in the race to the bottom, IAG have shareholders (eg.Qatar 25%) who would not like their investment put at too much risk.

They're not really after flight crew, they want to use this situation as an excuse to remove old contracts across the longer serving cabin crew population.

just sack the managment! How disgusting!
https://www.theguardian.com/business...oyees-heathrow

A certain amount of effort has been made by some parties involved in this to create that impression..

I think Juan has provided a more accurate description of the reality.

Now that is more what I suspected. Those that are promoting the idea that the whole workforce is being made redundant and some chosen ones rehired are doing their cause more harm than good. If they actually stated that the company are trying to force new contracts or be made redundant is underhand enough to get support from outsiders. But false facts create concern that there may be more to it than is being let on.

Semantics.

The effect is the same.
Your fired unless you sign this new shiny contract.
It is spin to suggest anything else.

So what would happen if the remaining staff who get offered a new contract turn around and tell BA to shove it? Is that it? BA ceases ops?

Looks like this thread has been infiltrated by the management spokespersons towing the company line.

If that was aimed at me you are completely wrong on all accounts. I'm nout to do with BA, merely an interested party. Semantics? Maybe but unfortunately quite wrong facts. Trouble is when you are trying to drum up support the correct facts are better than lies. Just my 2 pence worth.

Stick Flying, no far from it, I thought your reply was extremely measured and inteligent.

Apologies TURIN. This is the problem with threads diving off in many directions. And I'm getting older and struggling to keep up :-)

Sacked or made redundant there is a difference of several thousands of pounds. Sure you are still out of a job, but the unions could have some impact on that but are choosing not to. If you think I am a management stooge, crack on, it’s no skin off my nose what you think, but for the record I have nothing to do with BA management or IAG management or any other management. But if you are trying to shut down the debate by casting names and trying to “other” someone because they disagree with your world view, then jog on.

My point is that that situation is only being applied to SOME sections of the workforce, not all.

The amount of mis-information being spread is actually detrimental to those under threat because it is exaggerating the situation. The situation is diabolical enough to garner sympathy on its own without being loose with the facts.

This thread has lost its way. Lots of comment from people with nothing to do with BA or IAG and not many pilots. TURIN getting bashed for not a lot. Bottom line, 12000 jobs to go from BA (only 12000 in the words of one external commentator above).....it is semantics as to what name you give the process. Cabin crew are effectively having their contracts thrown away and many will not get a new one. Those that do will see somewhat worse terms than the one chucked in the bin.

I have just realised I have commited a most heinous crime.
You're not your.

My apologies.

Juan Tugoh, what on earth are you doing on this thread? No link to BA or IAG, are you just here to get under the skin of people who are going through a bloody tough time at the moment? If so, perhaaps it is you that needs to get the running shoes on.

M.Mouse , could you state, for the record, which sections of the work force are NOT being affected by this situation? I have tried to find out for myself but from Flight/Cabin Crew to Contact Centres, Engineering, Check In etc all seem to be affected.

I hate to get in the way of a good rant but I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion :hmm: Have you actually paused for breath and read exactly what J T wrote?


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..Not sure how you've worked that out, I've been here long enough to recognise some of the "handles"(I've actually flown with M.Mouse) and I can confirm that there definitely lots of comments from people who are BA pilots - as far as I can tell non management.

What did I miss?

"I'm nout to do with BA, merely an interested party. "

Everyone is being affected but not everyone is having a new contract forced upon them, pilots are one group.

The group which I know for certain are being hit hard, and in a totally immoral way, is legacy cabin crew. The rumours, exaggerated information and plain rubbish being publicised is, in my view, harming their cause. I have several very good friends who are legacy cabin crew. One couple are worried sick that their income is going to be cut by a very large percentage if and when they are offered the 'take it or leave it' new contract.

It is arguable that the legacy crew have had it very good for a long time but with the advent of MF after the last disastrous cabin crew strike (where UNITE were treating the return of staff travel to strikers as if it was some sort of victory!) the legacy crew were disappearing through natural wastage. What BA is intent on doing now is ridding themselves of the remaining legacy crew. It is immoral and wrong.

UNITE are a disgraceful waste of space. They could not negotiate their way out of a paper bag. Every dispute in the past years that I can remember has been an utter disaster for cabin crew. Their current lack of performance would indicate that not much has changed.