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IMHO it is vital that as many of the pilot community are retained whilst collectively taking a % deduction of salary in case there is a second lockdown in which CR would be inevitable.
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Originally Posted by TURIN
(Post 10797063)
What did I miss?
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse
(Post 10797115)
The group which I know for certain are being hit hard, and in a totally immoral way, is legacy cabin crew. The rumours, exaggerated information and plain rubbish being publicised is, in my view, harming their cause..
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Originally Posted by Stick Flying
(Post 10797283)
If you don't want comments from interested outsiders I'd suggest moving to a company only forum.
(Not picking out you or any other individual just saying that would be generally good practice). |
Originally Posted by M.Mouse
(Post 10797115)
Everyone is being affected but not everyone is having a new contract forced upon them, pilots are one group.
The group which I know for certain are being hit hard, and in a totally immoral way, is legacy cabin crew. The rumours, exaggerated information and plain rubbish being publicised is, in my view, harming their cause. I have several very good friends who are legacy cabin crew. One couple are worried sick that their income is going to be cut by a very large percentage if and when they are offered the 'take it or leave it' new contract. It is arguable that the legacy crew have had it very good for a long time but with the advent of MF after the last disastrous cabin crew strike (where UNITE were treating the return of staff travel to strikers as if it was some sort of victory!) the legacy crew were disappearing through natural wastage. What BA is intent on doing now is ridding themselves of the remaining legacy crew. It is immoral and wrong. UNITE are a disgraceful waste of space. They could not negotiate their way out of a paper bag. Every dispute in the past years that I can remember has been an utter disaster for cabin crew. Their current lack of performance would indicate that not much has changed. How do you know pilots are not having a new contract forced upon them? It is highly likely that, to mitigate any CR, that pilots will have to take massive permanent changes in the Memorandum of Agreement, effectively changing the contracts. |
There will, I am sure, be changes like every other negotiation but not a wholesale change of contract that is being proposed for legacy CC. i.e. their current fleets disappear, the type of flying changes from LH or SH to a mix of both, salary structure changes massively, allowances rationalised, ranks disappear. That is what I see as a complete new contract and not just a tweaking of some Ts & Cs.
As far as I am aware there is no proposal to change pilot's salary scales or career path, etc. |
M.Mouse, how do you know that? We have no details as of yet. The union and company are talking to reach an agreement or a best compromise. It may well be that pilots have some choices to make. Maybe we won’t have a choice, but I would think everything is on the table for negotiation with the aim of eliminating CR.
Having had so much time off I have learnt a bit about myself. No way could I not work if I did not need too (retirement is different) but I have also realised that I have put too much emphasis on the bottom RHS of my pay slip over my work life balance. Part time is something I would very much be interested in now. |
I think realistically the obvious tweaks (the ones we know they’re after) will be vanity moves on LH will disappear coupled with airport hotels (we have to fight that one very hard but we all know it’s coming). I’d be surprised to see changes to the salary scales, particularly as we’re not seriously out of whack with the competition and in many cases substantially below.
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I can see them wanting to harmonise it and or remove increments. That’s just my thought and I have no opinion on it. The rest will probably come down to us as a group.
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Airport hotels saves peanuts (and in many cases they are more expensive).
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Originally Posted by Plastic787
(Post 10797609)
I think realistically the obvious tweaks (the ones we know they’re after) will be vanity moves on LH will disappear coupled with airport hotels (we have to fight that one very hard but we all know it’s coming). I’d be surprised to see changes to the salary scales, particularly as we’re not seriously out of whack with the competition and in many cases substantially below.
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Originally Posted by TOM100
(Post 10797700)
Airport hotels saves peanuts (and in many cases they are more expensive).
Correct. And they are probably too noisy for undisturbed rest. |
Originally Posted by Pickled
(Post 10797713)
"Vanity moves?”
With regards to airport hotels being more expensive we like to claim that but I’d be surprised. After all most of the easyJet hotels were at the airport or in the middle of nowhere. |
I promise you airport hotels are frequently more expensive (those of a reasonable standard to get undisturbed rest). Those few nights tops with EZY are frequently split duties so proximity to airport is a must. BA are not going to expend too much effort over airport v downtown to save chicken feed £’s.
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Originally Posted by TOM100
(Post 10797787)
BA are not going to expend too much effort over airport v downtown to save chicken feed £’s.
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We know there’s a contingent who chase routes (or golf courses) every four years via Priam |
Originally Posted by TOM100
(Post 10797787)
I promise you airport hotels are frequently more expensive (those of a reasonable standard to get undisturbed rest). Those few nights tops with EZY are frequently split duties so proximity to airport is a must. BA are not going to expend too much effort over airport v downtown to save chicken feed £’s.
As for the "undisturbed rest" bit..well in order to prove to BA's satisfaction that your rest has been disturbed the union reps will tell you you need to take robust action...given the reluctance (historically at least) of many people to take that option if BA think they can get away with putting crews in a less than ideal hotel, at the airport or otherwise, they will... In short I would say hotel standards are permanently on the company's "hit" list.. |
Embarrassing for BA.
Thandie Newton was in their onboard safety video.
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Originally Posted by TOM100
(Post 10797787)
I promise you airport hotels are frequently more expensive (those of a reasonable standard to get undisturbed rest). Those few nights tops with EZY are frequently split duties so proximity to airport is a must. BA are not going to expend too much effort over airport v downtown to save chicken feed £’s.
And don’t worry. They have a habit of finding ‘airport hotels’ which are usually a 20 minute bus rise from the hotel in the middle of nowhere. They’re not the expensive airport hotels that you might think.. |
Originally Posted by EcamSurprise
(Post 10798112)
EZY night stops (which there are quite a few of in certain bases) are not split duties. They are counted as two separate FTL days with a Nightstop in the middle.
And don’t worry. They have a habit of finding ‘airport hotels’ which are usually a 20 minute bus rise from the hotel in the middle of nowhere. They’re not the expensive airport hotels that you might think.. Their great rivals in AAL once coined a phrase: "you can save a million dollars, $25 at a time..." |
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