ExDubai, I wasn't accurate on that.

Interesting statement from the public prosecution. They are still investigating against current and ex Ryanair Managers.

RTE:

Unification of East and West Germany was 1990....:*

Yes, and Koblenz is still in the west just like Hamburg is in the north, Munich in the south and Dresden in the east....

Good lord :ugh:

Summer cancellations?
 

Lets get back to the basics Boys!
How many aircraft does RYR have to ground this summer IF they do NOT solve this problem ASAP.
I am thinking 10 to 20 percent!!
So out of ca 400 active ac that is 40 to 80 aircraft with routes to fly, but NO CREW.

There is a lot going on , but it is to little to late.

Titanic comes to mind!
The Worlds largest Liner it said on the poster!
Also with a Great Skipper.

that is the 64 million euro question! They cannot afford another mass cancellation of flights next summer.......will they park early or chance their arm.

These crew shortages normally take 12 months to sort out......

So..this has all blown over?

Nope! The diversionary tactics with the talk of unions doesn't see to have stemmed the flow of resignations! I hear 36 just this month so far! (It's only 10 days!!) Over 200 from end of Oct to December......mostly captains and command ready FOs..... So not looking great!

Nothing has really changed, the whole Union thing is for the press and the paying public, behind the scenes the same old carry on.

The problem is see is that with the experienced guys leaving, it leaves only the latest cadets to take the helm, and to be honest I wouldn't want them taking it!!

There are guys who initially failed the assessment now out there flying.....desperation!

But it's Ok, on Ryanair.com they brag that they recruited a 1000 pilots.....lol.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...51995?mode=amp

Summer must be interesting :hmm:

I guess that’s the price of setting up crew bases in so many different cities/ countries. There are advantages of course. Some Airlines choose not to do it as they think the cost outweighs the benefit.

From a smaller base I hear that the roster is supposedly covered but they’re phoning Crew to work days off. My friends base still operating without standby cover for both seats on the odd day. Captains operating right seat sometimes. All can’t be well? He reckons summer could be messy. Best MOL pulls a rabbit out the hat soon!

Is this legal for NON TRI/TRE CPTs ?

Apparently line Captains do a right seat check and can operate as PM and also fly the approaches for Monitored cat 1& Cat 3 purposes with standard SOP’s having left seat always taking control off these to complete landing and rollout. Cannot take off or land.

Normal practice where I work (not RYR, not to confuse..) without any restrictions. Not saying they’re particularly good at it. When the aircraft approaches they gate still in landing configuration, you know how many stripes occupy the right seat :}

It will only work of the unions start "joint actions".

Summer was 'messy' when I was there two years ago. Looks like normal service has been resumed, MOL has conned everybody into believing they're going to get union recognition, and everybody bends over again.

Glad I moved to a proper airline.

So there is no company council being formed in the UK?

There hasn’t been two meetings with BALPA including one last Week?

Jesus..... put a sock in it.

What did you do when you were here VOKES? Did you contribute anything towards improving things? Hmmm that’s right you just paid for your rating got your hours and bailed out. I’m glad I’m not the Captain listening to a pompous sciolist who is now at a “proper airline”.

I was offered a job at TOM 5 years ago too. Financially speaking I’m glad I didn’t go comparing the salary I’m on now by comparison to what I would be on in TOM in the RHS. Horses for courses. A good few pals of mine joined and they are all modest, decent, and well informed individuals. You appear to be anything but...

Grow up.

LazyDog
 

Indeed
How I love listening to these guys that had to pay to get a job!

I have words for it , but my posting would instantly be taken down.

Anyway!
There is progress.

Due to the Unions, AND the fact that pilots are leaving every day.

Congratulations, finally achieving what is normal in just about every other company.

I'm glad you're not either. Anybody who lists their profession on an internet forum as "737 Captain" and then has to list their location as "LHS 737", just in case somebody didn't notice that you're a captain, is somebody I'm likely to have nothing in common with. You're probably one of those who wears their uniform into Sainsburys on their days off too. Are you a captain by the way?

Genuinely glad to hear there's progress, the whole industry's T&C's are relying on it. What did I do? Well what I did was, along with everybody else, contributed to the issue that brought attention the pilot shortage in the first place. I left. If nobody did that, you wouldn't have a hope in hell of union recognition. You're welcome.

Cheers for the nibble, Captain.

Hahaha, Brilliant. It's true. How do you know somebody is a pilot? They'll tell you. They'll also tell you they have something fancy in the driveway, they live in a country retreat, have a boat, holiday 4 times a year and that their kids are in private school. Probably wears a Ralph Lauren shirt, chinos and deck shoes and has the latest Apple tech. Boring. Yawn. Next stereotype please.

Along with everybody else ? No some stayed actually. People have been leaving for years and good luck to them. But some stayed and fought. Your contribution was zero. You joined as a snotty nosed cadet that most probably wasn’t even shaving yet and then you left. Thank you so so much VOKES. You are absolutely right we would have nothing in common.

I’m off for the weekly shop now so I need to get my uniform ready.

No they didn't. When I was there, nobody 'fought' for anything. Working days off for no additional payment, accepting standby callouts to position to other bases and pay for their own hotels at short (and expensive) notice, taking the bare minimum fuel and turning the APU off in 30+ celcius, accepting that they're so disrespected by management that not being provided with water in the work place is some kind of norm, accepting that they have to pay for everything - including the uniform you're required to work in, working behind dodgy contractor deals under the benefit of paying little tax, accepting that the company can change their duty without block window protection even if you have plans for after your duty, worrying when returning to base that the company will tell you to do another two sectors, accepting that turning the seat belt signs on to use the toilet is normal, accepting that if you're delayed you still have to pay for inedible food from the bar, accepting the abuse of your cabin crew colleagues - most of whom nowadays can barely speak a word of English, accepting being moved to Fez to do your command upgrade ("I'm not worried, it's only a year and then I'll definitely be back in Stansted"). But don't worry, Ryanair kindly provide you with a 5/4 roster, so it's ok to accept everything else.

Nobody fought for anything until too many people left and the media caught on. Then suddenly one or two grew a backbone. Although you make out to be a popular fella (similar to your obsession with telling everyone you're a captain, you also like to mention all the companies you apparently have friends), I also still know plenty of people in Ryanair - and they don't tow the company line like you, they're well aware that very little is changing, and most would leave if they could get a DEC job in their home base. I've never worked in such a spineless work environment, and believe me I've had some awful jobs.

But don't let that detract you from making personal attacks against somebody you don't know on an internet forum. Mr Captain Popular appears to have a complex :ok:

Alright guys calm down.. pilots are already blaming each others enough. One shouldn’t blame anyone what she or he has done in the past. Everyone has their reasons.

I second Vokes what he wrote in the previous post. I didn’t study for this profession to be treated as I was treated in Ryanair. For me it wasn’t a job, I took it as part of my flight training. I paid them money and they taught me to fly, simple. Left as soon as I could when the appropriate opportunity came up.

Anyone, who claims that Ryanair model to hire and use pilots is acceptable and fair has completely lost it. That was the main reason why I left. The unfair, toxic and punitive culture in the company made me hate them. Which I still do, occasionally, but I’m trying to change it now to being hopeful instead. Haven’t been there for years so can’t really say anything anymore about the current operations.

Two best decisions I’ve made during my career; Joining Ryanair and leaving Ryanair. Life is good now :ok:

(Oh and stop that rant about financial status or career progression, nobody gives a :mad:. Only thing that matters in life is that are you happy or not)

Vokes55

Isn’t it a shock that pilots “apparently” have friends in many other airlines?
I had a nice time in Tescos earlier, I told a few people in the fruit section that I was a Captain because I’m “obsessed” with it. They looked a little perplexed to begin with and one even suggested that I belong in the fruit section. Honestly VOKES I think you should be looking closer to home when it’s comes to the Captain “obsession”.

“One or two” pilots grew a backbone? One or two?

You wouldn’t know the meaning of the word backbone.

You joined on said conditions, you moaned,you did the square root of @&)”£& all about it and then you toddled off to TOM when the opportunity came. You then try to depict that you are whiter than white. You got what you wanted and ran for the hills. Best of luck! The ones that stayed will try to improve things. Hopefully the latent effects of that will be your T & Cs will improve in the long run. If you think you “contributed” and that makes you feel warm and fuzzy then fair enough. Fill your boots.

Captain popular doesn’t have the complex vokes. It’s you isn’t it?

Can you guys please stop your personal war and free this thread again for its basic purpose of informing the pilot community about the progress within RYR?
The developments within that company are way too important for the rest of the industry to be hijacked into this nonsense.

Can anyone elaborate on the above? I don’t understand.

It was SOP (not sure if its still the case) to put the belts on if you where leaving the FCC.

No problem. Back on thread then.

Management are meeting the Belgium unions tomorrow. They met with SEPLA in Spain this week also.

Follow up meetings with ANPAC in Italy, Vereinigung Cockpit in Germany, and BALPA in the coming weeks.

I see the new pay figures on ppjn:

Agency capt €165/hr
Ryr contract UK capt £135,000pa
Ryr contract EU capt €155,000pa
Ryr contract EU SFO €7,000/mth
Cadet €3,000/mth

Hahahaha, management in that airline are more desperate everyday... I invite FR pilots in this forum to send an update with the real payscales that I'm pretty sure will differ... (at least mine was nowhere near those figures)

Of course your pay wasn't. Those figures are remuneration from this month.

That is a huge pay gap between RYR contract and agency for FO's (cadet)... Would be great to see some more improvements for cadets too.

I guess these figures includes uniform, loss of license, private health care, pension, parking, per diems etc. ? Not to mention food you need to purchase for every working day.

Once you deduct those from the take home pay then you might get close to real figures what people are actually earning.

Then compare it to other airlines packages and notice how “industry leading” it is :hmm:

Captain Belgian base on Ryanair contract, less than 70k€ net pa. Nothing included (uniform, parking, medical, LOL, airport ID, company ID, food, water, coffee, stapler in crewroom, pen, high viz, phone bills). 1 unwanted month off, 10 ad-hoc days (3 last year, the remainder denied or allocated on rest days off).

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobi.../idUKKBN1F71SS

UK based pilots accept pay rises?

FR captain italy can vary between 120-135K euro gross before tax, 10-20% if LTC or TRI/TRE.
In Italy they pay "outside the payslip" about 29% social insurance to italian pension scheme(forced by the gvnmt back in 2011 I believe)
so if you include this is about 150K euro per year....
but at the end of the month net salary for 100 (>60 sectors if based in south italy)BH is about 7-8k euros net depending how much domestic you did or didn't...:\
with 50 BH per month salary will be about 6k net
It's your job whorty 120 euros net per sectors? NO
taxes are basically double paid in Ireland and Italy on some parts of the payslip.
SFO about 70k euro gross before tax.

and we are missing food, water, uniform, insurance, positioning paid by the company if you are schedule out of base on ground transport, repsect, dignity and much more...