Good job you didn’t get in then, too arrogant? Or too much of a “numpty”?

Your post from the TOM recruitment thread:

:D

I have heard there will be a re-vote for the STN based pilots.
Apparently RYR have attached a 'no further pay negotiation' clause in the acceptance deal which was unknown/not stated to the ERC before this last vote.:=
Now imho that is very underhand indeed.
A very good demonstration of how they cannot be trusted.:(

Is that a 20% rise in salary or income?

For left seat it's 33% salary increase, overall 22% income increase.

33%?
 

No Sir it is not 33% . I am skipper in ryr and my increase would have been 8% . 33% is if you suddenly become new deal TRE from line Cpt in old deal . Usual Ryanair fake news. Balpa said it’s ok to vote because we cannot yet represent you so of course the folks run to company for the pay raise . Like that was the only issue .... but I in no way think this is over . Oh no. Germany Italy and Spain very much on war footing . Ireland is dublin , strong!
Keep listening .

Strange Daminik. You must be the odd one out. Remember we're talking about UK.

Because most line skipper basic salary plus productivity pay goes from £63k to £86k. Sector pay and expenses unchanged. Pension up.

BTW Balpa didn't say that. They are in active negotiations. Perhaps you aren't a Balpa member?

He’s not the odd one out, you’re just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.

Here’s what I make as a UK captain before any ‘deal’

£62k basic, £6 expenses, £32k sector pay based on 900 hrs (I flew 890 last year) & £6k pension.

That’s £106k roughly speaking and you get NOTHING else on top.

Only in RYR do they need to include £6k expenses and pension figures to get the Captain ‘salary’ over £100k. Expenses isn’t salary- it’s money I spend on my uniform, LOL medicals and Food/drink when I work (I spend £400 a year on bottled water!). That is what other proper airlines give you for free. So £106k is actually £100k.

The new deal has a £10k addition to the basic salary and quite frankly that’s it. Yes there’s a new productivity bonus of £12k, but unlike in EasyJet’s where you get the same simply by being loyal and still being at the company, in RYR you need to work days off to get this additional bonus. Again it’s not too many days off for £12k, but the point is let’s compare like for like. Ones called Loyalty one Productivity.

Finally the pension is now £8k not £6?! Big whop- it’s finally that of what EasyJet pay.

In Ryanair’s eyes that’s a total of 10+12+2 £24k more per year - £106 + 24 equals the £130k we all keep hearing.

Let’s minus pension, bonus and expenses off this this number so we can compare properly. When we do this it becomes £106 -6 -6 = £94k (my current deal) plus £10k for new deal is £104k.

When I join Easy, the BASIC is £105k. Let’s just sit and think on that for a second.

That figure also doesn’t include pension contributions from company, loyalty bonus, personal bonus, all the Lol/uniform/Medical/car park/food/water etc benefits the £6k pays you to sort yourself.

It also doesn’t include SECTOR PAY.

I said no to the new deal twice now even though I’m leaving. Best of luck.

Spot on. That’s the weird mentality that has creeped in people’s heads during all these years in FR. Expenses, pension, “loyalty bonus” etc. are NOT part of the salary. Yet this “industry leading” company claims that they will be paying as such :hmm:

Came across one FO recently, he’d calculated what his salary would be after all the necessary deductions and the result was that he made 1700€/month net.

What a great company to work for.

Bottled water. Do RYR charge you? And is it the on board inflated price?

I am shocked.

I do believe you have to be in ezy for 10 years to get the highest loyalty bonus?

Comments above re the Loyalty bonus at easy are all correct, I didn’t mention it’s immediate however, just that once you’ve been there over 2 years you start getting it (at the certain %) without having to work extra.

Regarding bottled water. I buy it from the terminal each day. It’s cheaper than buying it on board as we don’t get anything on board for free, other than than the use of the toilet (I lol’d as I typed that!)

RYR has water fountains in each crewroom, but where that water comes from in anyone’s guess.

It is what it is- make of it what you will. Most of what I’ve said in last two posts on this thread are just facts.

The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.

It is ongoing.

Depone, are you the deluded, LTC in STN who has lost all creditibility in recent months?

Instead of being offensive, perhaps you could explain why you say that?

This is the problem with pprune. Because of anonymity, people feel free to aggressively attack anybody who speaks up. Yet, when you speak directly to people in the crewroom or flightdeck, everyone seems to broadly agree.

As I have said, the figures I mentioned are 100% correct for a line Captain. I make no comment on the company generally or its pay structures. I'm simply giving information on the new 'deal' because someone asked.

Except that you add the pension contribution from the company into your pay. Nobody else does this as it is not custom and practice any where. Except for Ryanair.

I was under the impression that most of us not nearing retirement wanted to have a negotiating agreement in place before considering a new deal...how does your so called 'basic salary' fair when your sick or need to take paternity leave?

How? I used to spend a lot more that that.

Medical £150 minimum
Uniform £50 minimum to replace old shirts and trousers
ID say £20 a year towards it and a new CRB
X4 nights hotel for sim recurrent £260
Car Park £75 a month I think it was
LOL think that was £80ish a month
Then of course water because no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain that had a green furry seal.
Food was my choice as I preferred M&S ready meals over left over home cooked or dodgy loco airline food even if it was free (which it’s not)

No way you realistically only spend £500 a year of the expenses only on expenses unless you walk to work.

And in fact, those pink stains you see on the tip of the water fountain is actually stains of a bacteria called "serratia marcescens", not lipstick. Google it!

This was reported to Ryanair already in 2012 (shortly before I left). So this is actually still an issue?

Bloody hell! just when you thought Ryanair couldn't get any worse.

On the plus side....MOL is a billionaire.

Picking pennies
 

Just have in front of me the deals for various bases , the company insist for a vote (why would they need a vote so desperately if they say they are recognizing a new way to deal with us and just want us 20% better off??)
My situation would go up 18% total including pension . 8% not including th 33% Pension hike (again pension only if you also hike your contribution)
Please guys stop picking pennies and look at the political / moral / long term situation of the company .
Let’s stop looking at the finger , let’s look at the moon.
Thanks

I understand Depone of just giving informative posts about the money.

Damianik is correct, I think we can all agree that the majority what the company does for employees is way below standards and not even remotely close to any other airline.

People should concentrate on bigger things. Leaving is always an option.

It's so eazy....
https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearm...n-contact.html

Again the fact you don’t use all the money they pay us for expenses- doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t and doesn’t mean the rest of us call it or treat it as ‘salary’. I for one spend about £1500 a year on income protection insurance and same again for private healthcare- both of which comes out of my net salary. Add to that food/water/Medical/uniform/car parking etc and I spend more than they give us. Remembering of course the £6k quoted is a gross figure NOT the net figure we actually receive.

The above things are only some of the perks provided free in other competitor airlines.

You aren’t just stating facts by saying you treat expenses they pay us as salary, this is your opinion and misleading. Additionally adding the £12k productivity bonus to your salary is simply talking about maximum potential earnings and while is appears it’s fairly straight forward to achieve, it is Ryanair that has convinced you to call this salary in order for it to sound better.

If you use £127k as the new deal not including pension, then let’s minus the £6k expenses and that gives you £121k. For a fair comparison, EasyJet’s maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesn’t include benifits Ryanair doesn’t give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.

Whether you’re happy or not, Ryanair’s new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.

Be careful what you wish for. In some easyJet bases, there is NO loyalty bonus, only state pension, no fixed roster, state sick pay. it depends on the base!

Ok I’m comparing the contract I’ve just signed to the one I’m serving notice for. And ‘trying’ to compare like for like with maximum possible earnings at both - which I’ve said again here and on my post above.

RYR will state every possible amount bonus/pension/expenses to bump up the ‘sound’ of the package. Most other airlines don’t, but for comparison I did so it’s easy to see there’s still a big difference.

For my own knowledge (and so I can double check) would you kindly let me know which bases don’t not receive the Loyalty bonus at Easy.

Spain (BCN and PMI) and AMS don't for sure.

Ok interesting to know. I’ve a friend in pmi and it’ll take more than no loyalty bonus before i start thinking he’s got a bad deal.

Back to topic we were talking about UK RYR contracts and to avoid any further confusion I’m comparing it to the LGW Easy contract.

Hmmm. I see what you're all saying about expensese. But nobody spends £6k on them!

I've always said this is a personal decision and many lifestyles are not suited to certain employers in this industry.

For instance, personally, I wouldn't want to be based in the London area, particularly around LGW because of the massive jump in property prices.

I'm based north of London and my reduced outgoings on property is greater than the alleged increase in take home pay offered by Easyjet.

Added to that, much debated 5/4 roster is indeed good for me, but for others it makes no difference.

Horses for courses.

Since a few months easy is bonding for the type rating, no more money required upfront. at least that's what I was told by people recently been at the assessment.

Yes that’s correct. For me it’s about £22k over 36 months on the UK contract.

Even with this money removed I’ll be making more than I do in RYR. Please tell me what point it is you’re trying to make? Getting ‘clobbered’ by paying us a more than Line Training Captain’s make in RYR is a word I wouldn’t chose to use.

A few of the comments above are beginning to imply that RYR is a better deal than Easy. Is that the intention of the last few comments?

Yup I can’t answer that. But having run the numbers, it’s a no brainer for me. Even with this money removed I think my net salary will be as near as dammit the same - and that’s comparing to the ‘new deal.’ I applied and passed the assessment with Easy Long before all this mess kicked off at RYR. At that point the easy basic salary alone was more than the ENTIRE package at RYR.

The point I’m clearly not making very well, is the new deal at RYR hasn’t convinced me to stay.

Just make sure you get the contract before you signed. To avoid any bad surprises such as bases freezes.

Got the base I want - freeze away!

Plus not sure how you sign a contract you haven’t received ;)

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ry...-idUKKBN1FD2UA

Back to business

RYR REFUSE TO MEET ECA!
 

Dear Me, they have done it again!
How slow can they be? Is there no understanding that if they do not start treating and pay the crew properly the operation of 10 to 20% of the production will stop!

If Oleary is not gone in a few weeks and the upper management flushed and some proper managers installed promptly, this multi BILLION euro business is at risk.
Owners wake up!
Pilots stay AWAY!

To all pilots: Help fight the RYR battle,it ruins the industry!

Ryanair, in a letter in response to ECA on Wednesday, described those claims as “materially inaccurate”.

Quote from Saturday's DT. business.

"Ryanair has been referred to both HMRC and labour market bodies after claims it failed to fully respond to MP's questions about employment and pay practices. Two parliamentary committees asked authorities to investigate, citing RYR's refusal to co-operate with inquiries. RYR called the comments 'inaccurate'.

Seems there is only one version of the truth and there are a lot of 'inaccuracies' flying about.

I am wondering if pilots are still leaving. Does anyone have some numbers on the amount of pilots that are leaving? I know that some experienced FO's from my base are leaving. And some captains that are looking into china.

Is there much strike action planned going forward? Especially in Spanish , Portuguese, German , Irish bases. Alot of people looking to book summer holidays etc ... . family and friends asking the same question , not sure what advice to be passing on!