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WindSheer 14th Sep 2017 19:56

If you want to work for Ryanair work for them, if you don't, then don't.

I don't get all the MOL bashing. He runs a VERY successful business with a business model that delivers.
My only criticism is there seem to be no 'family values' as part of the strategy, but that is their choice.

I know that's controversial, but that is modern transport - it's about moving people cheaply.

FlipFlapFlop 14th Sep 2017 20:19

Because you don't get it does not mean others don't. Who started the race to the bottom on this side of the Atlantic ? With a strategy that is aimed at eliminating opposition by whatever means and a CEO who openly casts doubt on the ability of others to survive for no other reason than to further damage those operations, it is very reasonable to develop a bit of a dislike of the man. And when the strategy has succeeded what price cheap seats then ?

Journey Man 14th Sep 2017 22:26


My comment certainly stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest it would appear.
Comes on a professional pilot forum with heavy European focus and wonders why those who are directly subsidising her flights, and those indirectly affected, aren't equally enthused. Genius.

Tone deaf.

Is there an online forum where some anonymity is traded for members submitting CP/ATP licence details to gain access?

eduelp 15th Sep 2017 08:15

Dozens of cancellations for today and tomorrow as well.

https://www.cloud.scorebuddy.co.uk/r...ate=2017-09-15

It seems that sh*t is starting to hit the fan down in FR

UAV689 15th Sep 2017 08:21

Only 80 flights cancelled today,

And another 80 so far tomorrow.

MOL must be going absolutely apoplectic over this. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

How much to cancel a flight? 30-50k at least? He just doesnt get it.....offer a day off payment to contractors and increase the payment for ryanair staff and maybe people will work a day off. Then address the fact why 100s are leaving.

For such a so called clever bright man, has he heard the phrase you "reap what you sow" before?

Avenger 15th Sep 2017 08:36

Seems like BA, Midland, Easy all cancelled flights due to ATC strike, why do you assume FR is due to crew shortages?

UAV689 15th Sep 2017 08:45


Originally Posted by Avenger (Post 9892298)
Seems like BA, Midland, Easy all cancelled flights due to ATC strike, why do you assume FR is due to crew shortages?

I didnt realise the stn-edi routes passed tgrough france. The french strike is a blessing in disguise

Quasar2548 15th Sep 2017 08:48

Because the strikes finished two days ago.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 15th Sep 2017 08:55

These flights are for today, the French aren't on strike today.

I suspect that most wouldn't be able to work a day off as most won't have the hours available to do so.

wiggy 15th Sep 2017 09:34


the French aren't on strike today
:ok: and haven't been for a few days, so I'm not sure why some posters are using the present tense.

It was a "one dayer", kicked in late Monday night, finished around Midnight Tuesday. At least one other airline operated full services into, out of and over France from Wednesday onwards and I flew into a French airport on Wednesday night.......so no, any FR cancellations today are not down to French ATC being on strike.

Mind you just so MOL and others can get their excuses in early they might want to be aware there is another "day of action" next Thursday...not sure of the level of ATC involvement.

RAT 5 15th Sep 2017 09:38

"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?

CaptainSensible 15th Sep 2017 10:25

RYR only need to hang on until the clocks change and then enjoy another 6 month respite before the next season starts.

skyloone 15th Sep 2017 10:48

Having spoken to a few FR guys the 100hr/28 days bit is hurting. With delays etc... one commented that the 60 hrs/7 days was not enabling working days off or swaps. The roster apparently shows standby cover but crew auctually unable to be called due hours. Throw in a few standard sickness, technicals and all is in a bit of a pickle. Crew control not answering calls. One guy said most of his base are refusing days off as the very long days with min rest between is proving a bit punishing. Guys gasping for their months off which are about to start again. Only rumours off course.....

Bayerische 15th Sep 2017 11:50


Originally Posted by Normal Pilot (Post 9892351)
As I said, they have access to a lot of crew, simply call those FO's back who were command ready and put them straight on the command course, most would jump at the chance.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Anybody that I know that has left Ryanair has never looked back. The place is toxic.

Southwest can have a profitable Airline and a happy workforce that see the job as a career....why can't O'Leary?

I seriously think they underestimate how much of a problem this will be for them.

UAV689 15th Sep 2017 12:26

They are totally feckless. Let's not forget for the last few months they have been flying in cabin crew from dub each morning as they are short on that front as well.

I do feel sorry for the people on the phones in crewing, the bosses have ballsed up, and they along with rest of staff are having to work hard. (Oh that is probably why have of crewing have also resigned in last month!!)

Vokes55 15th Sep 2017 13:18


RYR only need to hang on until the clocks change and then enjoy another 6 month respite before the next season starts.
I wouldn't be so sure. Their 900 calendar year reverted to start on January 1st this year (I believe), so by the end of the Summer many of them will be very high on hours - the schedule will slow down slightly but that's when the months off begin.

They may breathe a sigh of relief on January 1st, but it will be short lived. If they can't crew the aircraft now, they have no chance with expansion. It's absolutely fantastic to see, imagine how many additional flights would be cancelled if their crew had the balls to call sick or fatigued when they're...sick or fatigued.

fulminn 15th Sep 2017 14:26

they are cancelling about 80 flights per day
:E

Callsign Kilo 15th Sep 2017 16:58

I'd imagine the 737 rated DEC tree isn't baring any fruit and people are still heading for the door marked 'exit.' What's new? They'll pull through, bury their issues with PR spin and add a few extra zeros to the balance sheet for additional wet leasing costs. I wouldn't get too excited.

fr666andback 15th Sep 2017 18:17


Originally Posted by RAT 5 (Post 9892361)
"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?

A link:

Ryanair loses EU court battle to keep Irish law for crew abroad | Reuters

GScapture 15th Sep 2017 18:33


Originally Posted by RAT 5 (Post 9892361)
"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?

I did try to add link on it put this site didn't allow me to do it since I haven't posted enough :hmm:

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/ryanairs-irish-fiction-refuted-european-court-justice

Good questions and probably it's just a small start but at least it is something. I don't think nothing will ever be refunded or so but as long as it slows down or it's a once step closer to stop this kind of employment it's always a good news to hear.

Oh and heard the same, Ryanair cancelled and will cancel odd ~80 flights a day.


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