From the inside;
no problems finding first officers but qualified captains is another story... |
Spoke to a rival recruitment agency based in the emerald isle who took great glee in describing the state SAIL are in due to the poor contract and and the mess the rival agency were making of the recruitment process.
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Basic pay for a captain is about 60,000 pounds.
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Just under £69K
Add flight pay, nightstop pay and overtime rate, after 60hrs, on top. I'm pretty sure ex Monarch Luton and Gatwick pilots would consider it, especially senior boys who are already collecting a pension. 5 on 4 off probably being the draw factor. |
The contract I have says 62,640 pounds basic pay. To add overtime in a calculation is misleading to put it mildly.
I sincerely doubt that the pay will increase, since the whole point of setting up the LHR base is to have lower costs than in Scandinavia. The mainline pay is already way below other European legacy carriers. |
I'm sure plenty of Monarch guys have applied. Whether any of them turn up is another matter. They are all (quite rightly) applying for everything out there. There are 70 jobs in VS for them and dozens of command positions in Easyjet and Titan. The year 1 VS package is well above SAS command money. The Wow package beats this and it's still way below Easyjet. Never mind 54..do a year in Easyjet and go part-time. You'd still be quids in and with more time off.
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Thad, being allowed to go part time at LGW with Orange is a pipe dream. I had a mate who went in 2014 and despite being told he could go part time he never got it. He was so fed up with it that he retired.
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You have to add 10-12 overnights - if that's your fancy then fine... You'll also be going thru scandi land flying scandi routes - I don't think you'll be welcomed.
Still no AOC in the tax paradise - wonder if recruiting managers is troublesome? Luckily Airbus is having problems delivering neo's (not) - this really would be sad if it's your last choice/chance considering brand value. But looking at the other "wetleases" SAS hires I guess it's not that important any more. |
Really Annoyed, sorry my post wasn't clear. That £69K was basic.
Quite possibly like WOW, basic depends on your experience |
Tubby,
Possibly correct in 2014. Not true now Loads of people are going part time at LGW. All the people I have spoken to say you need to plan a year to get the part time to kick in, but you will get it under flexible working, probably a very suitable pattern. |
Tier 1, Tier2 = bigtime bluff!
This Irish AOC is just part of SAS long term management plan to try to concentrate to minimize costs without paying any considerations to safety and some other key values in aviation which we pilots take granted. Good examples can be found very near, sadly! After acquiring this ACMI partner _Cityjet__, it has been a total ghostride for employees , not to mention poor pilots!
At the moment Finnish NTSB is investigating a latest cityjet mishap which happened in EFTU. It is categorized as very Serious aviation safety incident which endangered 92 pax lives + crew of 4 . And this was not the first of a kind fo cityjet alias SAS |
75% Capt easyJet, full time Capt SAIL, year 1 full time Virgin FO: all about the same pay if you factor in pension, allowances etc etc.
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Mainline SAS pilots don't like SAIL. At the same time we realise cost has to come down. Pay in Scandinavia is not high, but cost to the company is due to high taxation.
Therefore it is unlikely that pay & benefits will increase near term in SAIL. The rotation of 5/4 is probably a "must" in order to attrackt crew. In Scandinavia the 5/4 rotation is subject to heated discussions every bargaining session at SAS as it takes away scheduling flexibility in a network with large variations in production. As I understand it, SAIL will have a flater production. Therefore the scheduling flexibility is not that important. |
As with basically all other bright SAS ideas, this one will not last long. Anybody considering joining should have a good look at past, and current, SAS strategies and plans. Please do have an exit plan if for some bizare reason you go DOWN this route.
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Klimax... I guess coming from UTOPIA... as you appear to be, the necessity to find a job which pays bills and keeps food on the kids plates and clothes on their backs, may to you seem a BIZARRE reason to "go DOWN" this route... however some of us live in more earthly dominions where needs have to be met, however unpalatable the methods may appear to those in a more fortunate position.
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I think Klimax is trying to say that it's not a very good idea to adapt your entire life to a job with SAIL (moving your family, turning down other job opportunities etc.) It's a job, not a career... and may not last for that long. It's not like joining EZY or RYR where the company is opening up new bases every year and all employees consider new joiners at those bases as equals. You will not be welcomed by other SAS staff.
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Hey Intercooler... Calm down...
Nobody said anything about uprooting families or adapting their lives to fit in with the new airline; rather merely a means to an end; namely a salary paying job to keep the bailiffs from the door. Sure a new airline based in LHR of all places is a risky venture in itself; but for those unfortunate people who don't yet have a better alternative, the SAIL option is a viable alternative to bridge a gap if nothing else. Spare a thought for the guys from Monarch or Air Berlin who have just been made redundant, approaching winter and Christmas. From someone who is safely employed in a legacy carrier, I would hate to think that my colleagues would behave with such acrimony if a similar venture were set up. |
Anyone spouting rubbish like "you will not be welcome" need to remember that if faced with the same situation, the failure of the airline you've worked decades for, and another less favourable one opens up shop, you would most likely DO THE SAME THING especially if you have bills and a family to provide for. And that is the truth.
I've seen my previous joyful colleagues reduced to tears. Right now SAIL are their saviour, and they are under no illusion that the Terms are vastly inferior. But bills need to be paid. |
Rubbish. There are hundreds of jobs out there. Many airlines are paying golden hello´s to captains. There are many ways of putting food on the table without lowering your pants. I cannot remember in the recent past a time where crew have been in such demand.
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Let me remind you - that was exactly 10 years ago, back in 2007. And it will be the same for the most of 2018. Like in 2008....
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