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kendrick47247 22nd Aug 2022 14:59


Originally Posted by A319 (Post 11282950)
You’d also be behind the 300+ former pilots SAS is legally required to rehire before you. Also all pilots in the SAS group is now on a Master Sen. List based on DOH within the SAS Group, including the Connect DEP’s which based on this will be at the very bottom behind the yet to be rehired pilots

Unless you were hired into the LHR base, in which case, you’re not subject to the same rule.

A319 22nd Aug 2022 15:05


Originally Posted by kendrick47247 (Post 11283121)
Unless you were hired into the LHR base, in which case, you’re not subject to the same rule.

100% true, I forgot the LHR base.

I believe they’re on CAE contracts? In which case, if and when SAS decides to close Connect, they’ll work their notice period and be laid off. Hopefully by then the pilot market will have picked up in the UK. Not sure if you’re from the UK that commuting to a top tax scandi land is a great option.

MD80rookie 23rd Aug 2022 07:27

I would definitely think two or three times if I were about to join SAS Ireland. Any upgrade for co-pilots is not going to happen as there are a few hundred SAS pilots that are more senior on the new MSL. Likely SAS Ireland will be scrapped in the next two years.

saab340pilot87 23rd Aug 2022 07:53

And, the size of SAS Ireland in LHR is regulated from the size of SAS Link in the new agreement. It is limited to 100 FTE, and if SAS Link grows, the size of SAIL will shrink.
The SAIL traffic is now considered as wet lease traffic, which is very strictly agreed between SPG and SAS from 1st of August.

I would think four times before joining them as well. Better apply for Easy or BA.

Perser_dk 7th Sep 2022 06:52

I have a friend in the UK looking for a A320 job, is it any recruitment planned for the LHR base? If it is 100 FTE I guess at least a few will leave now and then?

pilotgeo 23rd Jun 2023 18:40

Could anyone share some recent developments with SAS Connect especially in CPH base?

172_driver 25th Jun 2023 20:12


Could anyone share some recent developments with SAS Connect especially in CPH base?
What exactly are you looking for? It's a joint seniority list with the rest of SAS now. You start as FO on the A320. Each year there is a bidding window open where you can bid for other positions within the company, captain, mixed fleet short/longhaul, base change, switch to SK or Link. All seniority based. The future of having two AOCs (SK and Connect) operating the same type from the same bases is the million $ question.

FlightDetent 26th Jun 2023 10:05

Ain't that the first good news in 3 years?

pilotgeo 26th Jun 2023 18:21


Originally Posted by 172_driver (Post 11456894)
What exactly are you looking for? It's a joint seniority list with the rest of SAS now. You start as FO on the A320. Each year there is a bidding window open where you can bid for other positions within the company, captain, mixed fleet short/longhaul, base change, switch to SK or Link. All seniority based. The future of having two AOCs (SK and Connect) operating the same type from the same bases is the million $ question.

That's a start, thanks!

Even though seniority lists are joined with mainline - in reality, did anyone ever move from Connect to SAS? And how come they both accept applications now? Also, is mainline contract that much better than Connect or is it more about benefits?

What are Connect benefits and how are their rosters like?

I'll think of more questions for sure :D

SimoFly 26th Jun 2023 22:05

Can anyone shed some light on the current terms and conditions at the LHR base?
salary for FO, roster, upgrade opportunities, any important info ?

Thanks in advance

172_driver 26th Jun 2023 23:41


Ain't that the first good news in 3 years?
Exactly


​​​​​​​Even though seniority lists are joined with mainline - in reality, did anyone ever move from Connect to SAS? And how come they both accept applications now? Also, is mainline contract that much better than Connect or is it more about benefits?
It's the same CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) at SK and Connect. None has moved from Connect to SK purely because the result of the very first bidding window involving all three airlines has not been published yet. Seniroity is based on date of hire and all Connect crew are less senior than those in SK. Connect expanded while people at SK were laid off in the wake of Covid. Captains at Connect will stay Captains. Meanwhile there are FOs in SK with 20+ years in the RHS. Understandably it's a touchy subject.

As to why both accept applications the real question is; why are there even two airlines?

172_driver 26th Jun 2023 23:53


What are Connect benefits and how are their rosters like?
I don't have the details at the top of my head. In theory; You'll start with a variable roster published the 16th each month. 11-12 days of per month. Part time should be available in accordance with the laws of your home base state. Guaranteed 3 weeks summer holiday together. Christmas or New Year off. Every third year both off. It's 24 step(?) pay scale and it varies slightly between SE, NO, DK. You move up the pay scale once a year. Depending on experience level (and rating) I believe you start between 37000 and 40000 SEK/NOK/DKK per month. Per diem on top of that and some other small bonuses. An OK company pension. Though you may be assigned up to 15 days forced unpaid leave per year which is a real pain!

Something like that...

NOTE: I think London is completely different...

pilotgeo 27th Jun 2023 13:37


Originally Posted by 172_driver (Post 11457437)
I don't have the details at the top of my head. In theory; You'll start with a variable roster published the 16th each month. 11-12 days of per month. Part time should be available in accordance with the laws of your home base state. Guaranteed 3 weeks summer holiday together. Christmas or New Year off. Every third year both off. It's 24 step(?) pay scale and it varies slightly between SE, NO, DK. You move up the pay scale once a year. Depending on experience level (and rating) I believe you start between 37000 and 40000 SEK/NOK/DKK per month. Per diem on top of that and some other small bonuses. An OK company pension. Though you may be assigned up to 15 days forced unpaid leave per year which is a real pain!

Something like that...

NOTE: I think London is completely different...

Thank you very much for these insights!

The existance of two different airlines may have something to do with where they are registered and legally the chapter 11 process of SAS shouldn't affect Connect as they are two separate AOCs?

Maybe Connect is the future AOC of SAS with no connection to Scandinavia other than its name?

Or is this a ridicoulous thought?

172_driver 27th Jun 2023 21:24


Originally Posted by pilotgeo (Post 11457697)
Thank you very much for these insights!

The existance of two different airlines may have something to do with where they are registered and legally the chapter 11 process of SAS shouldn't affect Connect as they are two separate AOCs?

Maybe Connect is the future AOC of SAS with no connection to Scandinavia other than its name?

Or is this a ridicoulous thought?

The whole SAIL/Connect saga is the doing of an old, now gone, Danish COO. And a spiteful Swedish CEO. Fortunately the union was strong enough to put an end to the madness, protect the employees and save our jobs.

Call it SK or Connect, what's ridicuolous is having an Irish Aviation Authority supervise a Scandinavian airline. Run by CAE. The proud legacy of "Scandinavia" is soon gone. Believe it or not, some charter companies demand that their flights are operated by SAS and not some ACMI with pay2fly pilots.

Regards from an SK pilot who's not very positive about what's been going in the last few years 😉


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