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ShamrockF 23rd Oct 2018 08:48

Is there anyone here who actually works for SAS Ireland? What's it like from the inside? How are the conditions?

anderse 31st Oct 2018 08:24


Originally Posted by ShamrockF (Post 10290118)
How are the conditions?


https://caeparcaviation.com/jobs/195...320-capt-role/

"New & Improved Terms"

Anyone with inside information?

ATIS 31st Oct 2018 21:38

10% rise for Captains. Still below U.K. Average. Yes it's 5/4 but Captains will still hit 900hrs
5% rise for FOs
Flight pay from 0hrs instead of 60hr overtime threshold.

Increase in pension and allowance towards LOL.
In return something had to be traded. No idea what.

matt283 1st Nov 2018 00:27


Originally Posted by ATIS (Post 10298252)
10% rise for Captains. Still below U.K. Average. Yes it's 5/4 but Captains will still hit 900hrs
5% rise for FOs
Flight pay from 0hrs instead of 60hr overtime threshold.

Increase in pension and allowance towards LOL.
In return something had to be traded. No idea what.

Let me guess the trade is about: flexi base and flexi roster whenever required?

Easyheat 1st Nov 2018 07:40


Originally Posted by matt283 (Post 10298405)
Let me guess the trade is about: flexi base and flexi roster whenever required?

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? ;)

https://standby.dk/fleksibilitet-er-...abers-fremtid/
"I fremtiden bliver det nødvendigt at tilpasse sig, hvis virksomheden skal have en chance for at klare sig i en benhård konkurrence på et globalt arbejdsmarked. Kodeordet på alle niveauer er fleksibilitet.”

matt283 1st Nov 2018 10:22

Flexi roster equals less pilots and cabin crew needed.

Flexi base means there is no need anymore to prepare Spanish employment contract, that CAE seems to be unable to do since opening AGP base.

Klimax 2nd Nov 2018 21:23


Originally Posted by Easyheat (Post 10298570)
How on earth did you come to that conclusion? ;)

https://standby.dk/fleksibilitet-er-...abers-fremtid/
"I fremtiden bliver det nødvendigt at tilpasse sig, hvis virksomheden skal have en chance for at klare sig i en benhård konkurrence på et globalt arbejdsmarked. Kodeordet på alle niveauer er fleksibilitet.”

“Manden” er et typisk SAS ledelses fjols. Fleksibilitet er one way. Skod loen og skod ansaettelsesvilkaar. Det er et kortlevet projekt med en klovn som ham i front. Men det er helt normalt for SAS at have denne slags usymptatiske management fjolser ansat.

matt283 2nd Nov 2018 22:27

https://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/mal...s/1044018.html


Meanwhile in Spain - union goes to the court with CAE for having 26 cabin crew out of 40 employed in Malaga working without a contract of employment :eek:

Klimax 3rd Nov 2018 20:23


Originally Posted by matt283 (Post 10300095)
https://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/mal...s/1044018.html


Meanwhile in Spain - union goes to the court with CAE for having 26 cabin crew out of 40 employed in Malaga working without a contract of employment :eek:

This is SAS management for you. Not thinking ahead, and considering the majority owners are the three Scandinavian goverments, somebody will eventually have to answer to the tax avoidence going on, and rubber stamped by the SAS CEO and board of directors.

OMAAbound 8th Nov 2018 09:11

SAS Ireland
 
Hi All

First off, apologies if this is in the wrong part and if it’s been mentioned before, but I was unable to find anything.


Im interested in the new SAS Heathrow Op’s, and have a few question if anyone could answer them.

- Roster , it says 5 on 4 off, what does a typical roster look like? Is it mainly 1/2/3 sector days flying between LHR and Scandinavia?

- Night Stops , how many? With a young family home life is important for me

- Pay , are you employed on a self employed basis like some other European companies?

- Standby , is there any?

- Hours , how many a month is a new starting Capt likely to be doing a month?

If anyone has anything more to add, greatly appreciated

OMAA

Msry 9th Nov 2018 00:05

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Thinking of joining SAIL as Cabin Crew, any possibility any of you could give me an insight into it? Pros and cons! Thanks in advance =)

USERNAME_ 9th Nov 2018 18:49


Originally Posted by Msry (Post 10305947)
Thinking of joining SAIL as Cabin Crew, any possibility any of you could give me an insight into it? Pros and cons! Thanks in advance =)

Pros:
- Claim to work for SAS on your CV
- If CAE buck their ideas up, could be a great company to work for
- It’s not Ryanair

Cons:
- Pretty much everything else

Airline_pilot26 11th Nov 2018 18:21


Originally Posted by Sidestick_n_Rudder (Post 9660854)
Any idea where and what are they going to fly?


LHR,
ARN,
OSL,
CPH,
AGP,
MAN,
DUB

night stop in ARN e OSL mostly minimum rest or standby

Airline_pilot26 11th Nov 2018 18:26


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10306746)


Pros:
- Claim to work for SAS on your CV
- If CAE buck their ideas up, could be a great company to work for
- It’s not Ryanair

Cons:
- Pretty much everything else

Sorry Ryanair pay better (around 1000 pounds for same flight time) and you back always in home...

Msry 11th Nov 2018 18:36


Originally Posted by Airline_pilot26 (Post 10308384)
rubbish company, salary and people!
All crew are ready to write reports for fire you.
Is a really small company no connected with the main SAS... the contract is with CAE and you work as ACMI.
The roster 5/4 in LHR starts almost early morning than away 5 days and the last one late finish.
During the recruitment CAE promise to have daily flights from LHR, but I have just 3 or 4 in total.
Always issues with the salary (they try to pay less than what you must have from the contract).
90 % of the pilots resigns after short time.

What do you mean regarding the pay? I’m not sure how different pilots contracts are to the Cabin Crews, how do they actually treat staff, CAE themselves? And of course do you fly to any other airports not stated above from any other base?

Trying to to figure out what is best, and any advice is welcome!

USERNAME_ 12th Nov 2018 07:23


Originally Posted by Msry (Post 10308405)

What do you mean regarding the pay? I’m not sure how different pilots contracts are to the Cabin Crews, how do they actually treat staff, CAE themselves? And of course do you fly to any other airports not stated above from any other base?

Trying to to figure out what is best, and any advice is welcome!


Think all the answers you need are in the posts above. I am Cabin Crew myself and have found in the past airlines that treat their pilots like sh*t treat their cabin crews even worse and that seems to be the case here. I challenge you to scroll up and find a post about SAIL which is positive.

Friends at SAIL as CC say they are regularly paid late, and often underpaid every month, with per diems and commission missing.

Also all fees that were paid for by CAE during training were taken back from their wages over the course of a few months.

Hope this helps.

Airline_pilot26 12th Nov 2018 10:57


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10308818)
Think all the answers you need are in the posts above. I am Cabin Crew myself and have found in the past airlines that treat their pilots like sh*t treat their cabin crews even worse and that seems to be the case here. I challenge you to scroll up and find a post about SAIL which is positive.

Friends at SAIL as CC say they are regularly paid late, and often underpaid every month, with per diems and commission missing.

Also all fees that were paid for by CAE during training were taken back from their wages over the course of a few months.

Hope this helps.

Absolutely pilots and CC are considered rubbish in this company only some Ryanair CC feel better (not for the salary) only for the workload.
They have attitude as big airline where you are only a number, but they fleet is 7 A320.... the managers in LHR are worried only to see how you wear the uniform, never about the environment of work and your personal life (anyway the cabin managers are most ex Ryanair or Monarch... you can imagine how they manage the crew)

LEMG 12th Nov 2018 22:15

In this thread you can only find 15 to 20 percent of real information, the rest are people who are disillusioned for one reason or another easily distinguishable because of their way of expressing themselves. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
In my opinion it does not provide much help.
On the other hand something quite usual in these forums.



Klimax 12th Nov 2018 22:35


Originally Posted by LEMG (Post 10309456)
In this thread you can only find 15 to 20 percent of real information, the rest are people who are disillusioned for one reason or another easily distinguishable because of their way of expressing themselves. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
In my opinion it does not provide much help.
On the other hand something quite usual in these forums.



With all these positive comments and fact about SAIL (SAS IRELAND).. I just want to know where DO I SIGN UP. It’s almost too good to be true!

Airline_pilot26 13th Nov 2018 18:20


Originally Posted by LEMG (Post 10309456)
In this thread you can only find 15 to 20 percent of real information, the rest are people who are disillusioned for one reason or another easily distinguishable because of their way of expressing themselves. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
In my opinion it does not provide much help.
On the other hand something quite usual in these forums.



Not always, sometimes what you read is the real picture of one company.... and if a lot people write similar opinions.... maybe something is true


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