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directmisbi 25th Jul 2018 08:15

All bases going dot SE register within a year. Watch this space..

Perser_dk 25th Jul 2018 08:44


Originally Posted by directmisbi (Post 10205503)
All bases going dot SE register within a year. Watch this space..

It's interesting how Norwegian decide to move back to Scandinavia and SAS to move out. But that's offtopic here I think.

Anyone in the company that can confirm there is new pilots starting, where do they come from?
According to FR24 both yesterday and today all planes seems to be operating according to plan (4-6 legs each).
Strange when last weeks been a disaster, then things hit media and suddenly there is enough pilots?
Is the agreement for bought days off changed?

SMT Member 26th Jul 2018 12:15


Originally Posted by Whisperfail (Post 10204578)
No. SAS Will never admit anything wrong here. They will continue with the project and eventually get the crew needed. But the company will bleed for a while.

If anything, history has taught us differently. SAS is historically very volatile to negative financial and operational reports, and have cut off limbs (so to say) on several previous occasions. If the current occupational climate for pilots persist, SAIL and any other airline offering sub-par conditions may encounter a prolonged pressure, they're unable to withstand under their current business model. Then it's either fold or pay, a trend currently experienced on the US commuter market. A 'pay' solution may effectively undermine the very reason for SAIL's being, and then it's not a far cry to suspect a fold and absorption of crew and aircraft into mainline.

SAS's biggest worry right now seems to be CityJet, who are allegedly the main reason for mainline SAS pilots working serious overtime. And here's the thing I don't get: First they outsource your jobs to bottom feeders (employment condition wise), and when they can't crew their contracted flights it falls back to you to cover, and you accept it. See, right there is where my sympathy for their loss of jobs takes a rather dominant nosedive.

MD80rookie 27th Jul 2018 14:19

How many pilots have left SAS Ireland since the start and how many have started? I am looking for net numbers, a rough estimate. Hugh internal debate in SAS right now. They are slowly starting to admit that airplanes actually need pilots to fly them..

LEMG 27th Jul 2018 15:51

EI-SIG is about to carry out her first flight ARN-LHR in a few minutes.

matt283 27th Jul 2018 18:06

Seems like they found a skipper to fly EI-SIG, can't say the same about EI-SIB today...

This morning ARN-LHR on EI-SIG already cancelled as well:uhoh:

MD80rookie 3rd Aug 2018 21:14

The staffing situation in SAS Ireland (SAIL) is apparently at a critical level... With another aircraft arrived, panic has spread...

SAS Scandinavia's pilots have been asked to help out by working on days off.

And management is admitting that recruitment for SAIL is where the problem is - like everyone predicted.

turbine100 3rd Aug 2018 21:59

I think the issue is the terms and package need to be improved. People are joining and then leaving.

BluSdUp 4th Aug 2018 09:05

Lolo
Now that question is easy to answer: Unions with no clue!

Regards
Cpt B
NF
IFALPA member

Skipping Classes 4th Aug 2018 14:43


Originally Posted by Lolo75020 (Post 10214214)
Everybody knows the issue
They prefer cancel flights and asks the guys to work eventually on days off, promise them better roster, part time, good work environment, every thing that's is actually free instead of moving the cue of real salaries for every body.
​​​​​It seems to be like that in all other companies that pay shamely. (eurowings, Austrian, primera, small planet, smartlynx, travel service, vueling, etc)

The question is that why almost everywhere in the world salaries are higher and not in Europe.
Europe 5000€ gross vs China 25000€ net....

Because nobody wants to live in China.

APU_inop 4th Aug 2018 17:18


Originally Posted by Lolo75020 (Post 10214214)
Europe 5000€ gross vs China 25000€ net....

25k eur net? :sad:

CaptainProp 4th Aug 2018 20:57


Originally Posted by APU_inop (Post 10214540)
25k eur net? :sad:

Yes.

CP

matt283 10th Aug 2018 14:22

I thought agreement was to put 9 a/c for SAS Ireland and now seems like they have 7 active a/c and waiting for delivery of 3 more.

Did something change...?

MD80rookie 10th Aug 2018 14:41

Well, judging by the staffing situation at the Malaga "base" it's very unlikely that a total of 10 airframes will be int traffic anytime soon.

Last night they made a crew change in CPH to operate CPH-AGP. Why would you do that? because you need to transfer people to AGP from LHR where the few that still are left is based. This particular flight was 2 hours delayed "awaiting crew from another flight".

Soon, SAS will have to wetlease to cover the wetlease gone wrong...

BluSdUp 10th Aug 2018 19:27

SAS cancelled 500 flights in July and are buying days off to the tune of 2600e a day.
Time to dump the numnuts in management?

CaptainProp 11th Aug 2018 11:25

I’m surprised they have even been able to crew 7 aircraft!! Goes to show how many numbnut colleagues we have out there who are willing to accept T&Cs on offer.

CP

Serenity 11th Aug 2018 18:21

According to CEO of SAIL the last two aircraft won’t be seen before end of the year.
They can’t crew them!!

BluSdUp 12th Aug 2018 10:48

Super experienced Cpts , no doubt!

CaptainProp 12th Aug 2018 13:19

Offering freelance contracts now as well. About 60% of daily rate when compared to standard freelance rates.

CP

matt283 12th Aug 2018 13:45

I wonder if parc finally created Spanish contract of employment or pilots are still employed under uk intention of employment contract...?


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