how 1700£?how much is the gross salary offered?

The info I received from Rishworth, I have 7000+ hrs/4500 pic on Boeing, but still go in as relief captain due to no wide body time, the gross salary is £5810 + £830 allowance = £6640 gross , bang that into UK tax calculator = £4461.68 NET. In my current lot I NET average £5617 per month PLUS company pension contribution of around £550 ( matched by me but taken out before tax and the above net figures)

So around £1700 less a month, plus the prospect of banging £30k against my house!

I wonder how many UK based guys are willing to jump at these figures.

The stated recruitment aim was to attract those near retirement, house paid off, etc. But seeing as the recruitment seems to be never ending I'm guessing that supply is/was limited. If more money is needed to attract a younger workforce, then I'm guessing they would need to up the pay for the existing workforce. Something that will probably and sensibly be resisted for as long as possible until it becomes impossible to crew the aircraft. My guess, and theirs, is that they will be able to attract enough crew on the current terms eventually.

“..they will be able to attract enough crew on the current terms….”

But there remains the issue of Norwegian’s treatment of its workforce:-

“Management are snooping around on forums and chat apps at the moment and as we're only contractors, I don't think anyone is putting too much information out…..”

Nothing shatters the tranquility of a group, creates a fear culture and discourages others from joining, more than a witch-hunt by those having total control over others. It is a matter of record that Norwegian’s have excelled at witch-hunting.

Previously, selected individuals were hauled before an inquisition, suspended, and terminated without representation. Divided, disorganized and powerless colleagues could only witness the shameful treatment (much like today).

http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/03/03/n...kjos/37978024/

A post on another thread is applicable to Norwegian’s unsavory labor practices:-

“I know of a number of politicians who are completely uninterested in their constituent's situation within the industry. Taking action and forcing change is a big challenge, but they were not even entertaining sympathy for the pilots in question”

However, US politicians are very interested and have met the challenge by taking positive action against Norwegian’s unprincipled labor schemes:-

http://files.cwa-union.org/national/...41204-foxx.pdf

Today, E24 Norway News reports that after two years of opposition to their circumvention labor schemes, Norwegian is still waiting approval from the DoT for a US permit:-

Kjos gir ikke opp planene: Har søkt ny USA-lisens med nytt selskap i Storbritannia - Norwegian Air Shuttle - Børs og Finans - E24

Direct Bondi,

I don't disagree with you at all, but let's not kid ourselves that the US airlines opposing Norwegian's US DoT application care about the Pilots and Cabin Crew. They're only interested in protecting their Transatlantic monopoly. It's all about the Green!

:sad:

Bondi, 69 of your 93 posts are Negativity directed at NAS

You clearly have an axe to grind and it must be cpvery sharp now.
However I'm sure those coming on here looking for the real T&Cs are getting fed up with it.

You must have reached bondi now, please go and play in the sun

I don't understand this website sometimes. Everyone bemoans the state of the industry, the on going deterioration in conditions, the way airlines treat their staff and that there is no end in sight.

But when someone tries to show people how things are in one place, people complain about it. You can't have your cake and eat it in my opinion. Maybe if people knew the real state of airlines in this case, there would be less applicants and maybe, just maybe, the conditions might improve.

Ok so Bondi is posting the same kind of things, but someone has to bang the drum.

Thats 24 posts that are positive !
More than I would have guessed....

It is nice read in last week’s FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL , that this company is on the TOP in raking of reduced emissions per per seat per passenger . Much better than BA.
B787 is a fantastic machine !

While on the subject of TOP rankings, this company, Norwegian, did not make the top 20 list of the safest airlines in the world, as reported in the Norway daily newspaper, Aftenposten, 1/14/16. However, SAS is placed firmly on the list - Link:

http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/De-20-sikreste-flyselskapene-i-verden-668692_1.snd

SAS Director Knut Morten Johansen said, “This list confirms there is a correlation between the life and teachings of our company”

The Aftenposten news article did not make any comment on the respective “employment” relationships between the pilots and the top 20 safest airlines.

It will be as it crams far more seats into its 787 than BA - 391 vs 214.

Has anyone signed the OSM contract for the 787 yet? I hear the deadline has passed! :eek:

Economy on both airlines has a 31 inch seat pitch. BA then have 25 World Traveller plus seats and 35 flat seats. That's how NAS "crams" more seats in.....

Wow, that must be a first for low cost - do they tow the extra 100 in some sort of winter wonderland sledge!? ;)

291 seats, not 391.
-9 will have 344 I'm led to believe

FriFagbevegelse | Nytt nederlag for Norwegian





those working for Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer. The Court of Appeal gives it authority that the case should be tried before the courts.
Erlend Angelo
Norwegian appealed, but Court of Appeal states that pilots and cabin crew should get tried his case in the courts.
Yngvil MORTENSEN
[email protected]
Published 01.21.2016 at 13.21
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The eight pilots and six cabin crew who last year sued Norwegian claims it pursues unlawful hiring and requires employment with the company they believe is their real employer.
Norwegian call requirements abstract, and requires that the court dismisses the whole matter. The airline claims the pilots and the cabin crew have no "legal interest" of a judicial clarification of the question of who has employer responsibility for them. It is both the District Court and now Court of Appeal disagreed.
"It is (...) a real straight uncertainty, the appellant contests the existence of an employment relationship (wholly or partly) between the parties," says the ruling.
• Read more about the case
- Ready ruling from the Court of Appeal
Attorney Christen Horn Johannessen in the legal department of the union Parat represents pilots and cabin crew in the case.
- In our assessment, the Court of Appeal ruling right and very clear that the plaintiffs have a legal interest in obtaining a clarification of Norwegian Air Shuttle (parent company of Norwegian, journ.anm.) Is their employer, says lawyer FriFagbevegelse.
- The High Court through its rapid handling the case also done what it can to prevent this kind of procedural objections means that a legal claim can be delayed by the it is aimed at.
The ruling was handed down Monday this week.
Requires permanent employment of the parent
Requirements for employment in and a collective agreement with the parent company, the real employer was the core of last year's pilot strike.
Two years earlier had Norwegian changed its corporate structure and created several subsidiaries. Amid the strike last year established Norwegian three new subsidiaries and moved pilots there. The Norwegian pilots were moved to Pilot Services Norway, which is registered under the industry "provision of personnel" and the crew to the subsidiary Cabin Services Norway.
If the court finds that there are unlawful hiring, they claim judgment that they have permanent employment with the hirer - Norwegian, according to the Working Environment Act §14-14.
Norwegian disagrees that this is contract labor. Norwegian believes that the subsidiary Pilot Services provides an enterprise on a pilot service.
FriFagbevegelse has not yet succeeded in getting a comment from Norwegian to the ruling.

Do you happen to know the wait between online tests and email confirmation?

Thank you for the information, let's see if anyone can comment on that

Fly 4 more,
You don't seem to have much grasp of your potential employer.

There are lots of pilots on an LGW contract.

How can you sign a contract before you've been interviewed ? You haven't been offered a job ?

You don't go to Oslo for 2-3 weeks. Rosters are variable but you can fly out of Gatwick, Oslo, Stockholm or Copenhagen.

Interview used to be , the old style , can I sit with this person for ten hours. Not sure if it's changed

Does anyone have a roster?

Norwegian is a labor relations disaster with potential for further unrest.

When applying definition terms used by the International Labor Organization, Norwegian is the real employer. The ILO Guide to Regulating the Employment Relationship in Europe contains an abundance of legally binding "employer" definitions from various EU countries. The guide may be downloaded at:-

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf

Hypocritically, Norwegian declares on its company website;

“We place great importance on ensuring compliance with employee’s basic human rights as outlined in the International Labor Organization’s core conventions” - Link:-

https://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/company/corporate-responsibility/human-worth/

reasons people resign from NLH:

1) is obviously rostering, planning, etc... But more than all that it is the attitude of some people of those department (especially Replanning). They are arrogant, rude, incompetent and definitely not helpful, for them it is only going their way. They don't see it as a win/win situation.
2) is the contract : pension, social security, insurance...
3) is the salary : as we have no pension having significantly more to give us the chance to invest.

Sadly tripulante521 is spot on.
How they've got the balls to say the rostering is getting better is beyond belief.

Register now for the Norwegian Long Haul and Rishworth Aviation B787 Pilot Roadshow - Rishworth Aviation

I wonder how many F/O's will fall into their propaganda trap during the roadshows, EU bases and quick upgrades will be what they will try to sell.
They won't tell you about being hired by a Singapore agency, based in LGW on a cr@ppy temporary contract, on a horrible roster, being thrown all over the globe in a totally disorganized and random way by a bunch of ops amateurs.
As far as Captains are concerned I seriously doubt anyone working in the middle east would want to even come close to Norwegian.

"quick upgrades" ? yeah, the Contractor FO's on the 737 will give you a better idea than me . . . .depends what you mean by "quick" . . .quick like Ryanair ? or quick like SAS ?

Anyhow, suffice to say , most Contract FO's who came from Ryanair did not find it sufficiently quick, and on the 787, well, you have still DEC's (same prob as 737 ) and CRZ Capts in the way (with the CRZ Capts suffering the same blight as the 737 FO's I.E DEC's )

Believe nothing you are told at interview, truly, don't .

Pilots leaving Norwegian long haul /roadshows
 

I have heard that more than 30 pilots resigned and almost 40 reaching the end of their contracts in one month. No reasonable renewal contract have been offered but even worse T&C. I am going to attend a roadshow in April and wondering why so many are leaving.

Anybody can send me his roster of LGW capt based..
i''m looking any information there...
thks
cheers...

Belgian pilots for Norwegian 787
 

Hi guys,

Any Belgian 787 pilots here that would send me their PM? I would like to have a chat before applying at Rishworth. My e-mail: [email protected].

Thanks a lot, this would help me greatly in the decision making!

Hi friends,
I need some Infos about tax in uk. rishworth gave some figures for FO which are:
Gross pay £4150
Per diem: £830

Considering to come back from Asia and having a wife with no job, how much will be the net figures? Anyone in my same situation?
I don't have any clue about where to move my residency if is better to register my family in uk or Italy.
Please do not blame my choice I have to come back, my parents are getting old and one is sick, my wife wants to come back in Europe.

Thank you so much for who will help me to figure out how it will be.

The end of contract is going down like this: Kjos' henchman, that runs this LH sharade holds a gun to their heads and telling them "accept degraded T&C or I will fire you and make up the slack with wetlease"

Don't we all dream of working for "people" like this?

Seems the "Dream;)Liner" is regressing to its former troublesome past



http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ound-test.html


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...-collapse.html


And yes, "The Norwegian Way" is perhaps not as you may be expecting it, if you had watched the cheesy recruitment/staff motivation videos so beloved of management with no intention of honouring the principles championed in them.

The €40000 is too much for an old dog line moi to shell out . As much as id like to fly the 787 , it still any other widebody twin. I cant leave my current repetitive but secure position for the unknown.
I'm sure its ok as long as it lasts ( 3 years) but too stressful if it goes south.
It seemed like the perfect job but all things considered, i wont be signing this contract .

Perfect Job except for the short contract, insecure employment, ever changing conditions, very very low pay, high taxes.......:8

Would a current Line Captain be kind enough to share a typical roster month?

Thanks

uchy, 5 Jan:
“someone can kindly show us an example of a typical monthly roster”

Mach 81, 6 Jan:
“Still looking for an example of a roster…”

Catacroker, 26 Jan:
“Does anyone have a roster?”

pinasse 33, 19 February:
“Anybody can send me his roster of LGW capt based”

Winston, 7 March:
“Would a current Line Captain be kind enough to share a typical roster month?”

There are no public responses to the above. Is it possible the smiling rock-ape has misled pilots regarding their Dreamliner, bonded lifestyle?

Anyone got an up to date figure for a Year 1 Captain?? I have been quoted two different figures of £7470 and £8125?! Thanks.

As far as I know it is £7470 + £830 per diem. Figures from Rishworth.

The above figures are correct. Dont forget the allowances are upto £830 and must be claimed for duty time Ex UK ie layovers, on a daily basis.

It will be interesting to see what effect the US state Department travel warning has on the trans Atlantic travel market , the meat of NLH ( and BAs) profits.
" The State Department alertsU.S. citizens to potential risks of travel to and throughout Europe following several terrorist attacks, including the March 22 attacks in Brussels claimed by ISIL. "

British pound devaluation / Euro
 

Hi Guys ,
Since severale weeks we assist of a devaluation of the Pound .
For non UK resident, it's a big losse of incomes.
Do yo have in your Risworth contrat a protection against this devaluation.
The brexit in UK is soon what Will happen if the No is winner.
Anyone can explain me ?
Thanks a lot

Hello,
I would be interested to get some more information about the 787 RC interview and the recruitment process. Thanks for your time!