MASSH
 

I was contracted to Rishworth a few years back and found them very helpful, I would still be with them had things beyond the control of myself & Rishworth not forced an end to the contract.

It may help you to know that the other company acting on this contract was Parc, all the pilots contracted to Parc wished they had used Rishworth due to the problems they had with Parc.

A lot of pilots expect far too much from a contract agency and voice their dissatisfaction on these pages.

A bit of help
 

as for the taxation policy in the UK with this contract, has anyone actually got any figures of how their tax has been? Has it been better than expected or worse?

And with the new £10,600 "tax free" allowance, will this not make its easier, plus if you wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, partner (whatever) doesn't work you are entitled to their £10,600 allowance to, this adds up to £21,000 "tax free" on your salary- obviously you have to got though the tax man for this but it is allowed.

Helps when my wife's a trained accountant!

I don't know where your wife trained as an accountant but in the Uk, your spouses tax free allowance is not transferrable to you

As of this new tax year you can share your tax free allowance with your partners- I'm not 100% how it works but she was told by an ex-colleague that this is now possible. Especially those that are on low income, I'd guess you'd have to speak to an official tax advisor to get the "actual" ruling on This.

You are partly correct. As of this year one earner in a low income family can transfer up to £1060 of their unused allowance (tax saving £212) to their spouse provided that the spouse is not a high rate tax payer - so that rules most pilots out of that juicy £212.

I must add that I'm not a tax advisor but all this stuff is on the internet.

That would make sense- when she told me I thought it sounded to good to be true, and with uk tax it normally is! Well the extra £212 will go towards my bar bill each month!

Either way I've applied for DEC is there anyone else who has applied lately, wat was the timeframe of them getting back to you?

Interesting we are now discussing tax rates for low earners in the NLH thread ! sums it up really.

Im pretty sure bonds will be paid up front before a type rating course commences. Otherwise a trainee could complete 95% then bail out and do the remaining simulator stuff himself. Not sure the point of this as its just a paper endorsement without flight time.

Ultimatly, Norwegian require a financial leverage allowing them to retain potential disgruntled pilots who may find its not quite the ball they were hoping for .

Clearly, they don't want people to up and leg it after the investment in training.
A lot of people have used a ' bank guarantee letter ' I believe, but in the UK, it's an unknown idea - or it was when I spoke to HSBC

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Why not treat people in a civilized manner instead, so they don´t WANT to leave... It´s just a thought, or more of a dream maybe.

Griffin

That is so last year.

Well, I don't think any airline doesn't bond except BA. And an acquaintance of mine left there after a year, thus proving the reason why airlines do bond ...

Plenty of airlines bond with a contract clause. Not many ask for cash to be seen upfront.

Fade to grey

Bond?? This isn't a bond at NLH. A bond if only. That was also so last year.

a promissory note was also accepted by the contracting agency instead of "sending cash" upfront :ok:

So last year indeed.

Rather like Norwegian’s US DOT, Foreign Air Carrier, Permit application, or was it the year before, it’s been so long now I can’t remember. An ultimate decision is sure to affect 787 recruitment or possible lay-offs! - how would that affect debt repayment of the 40K bond?

The Kjos “standing room only” (not enough chairs) Washington road shows, free ticket campaigns and cabin crew rally’s all seem to have stalled. One week Kjos arrogantly boasts to the US he does not need the Permit and the next, he is writing begging letters to DOT Secretary Foxx to ask for immediate Permit approval to provide US jobs. However, he conveniently does not disclose Norwegian's jobs do not comply with Article 17 of the current US EU Air Transport Agreement – ref links below:

"It really does not matter" - Kjos, DN news 4/29
- Vi kan fly til krampa tar oss med de tillatelsene vi har - DN.no

Kjos requests speedy resolution - DN news 6/3
Norwegian lokker med flere jobber mot USA-lisens - DN.no

Article 17 - "The opportunities created by the Agreement are not intended to undermine labor standards, or the labor-related rights and principles contained in the Parties' respective laws"
http://www3.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/De...DOTStatute.pdf

Are there any reports currently available about NLH Lifestyle?
Like how many consecutive days off are possible from from experience (not guessing, actual Situation)?
Those expats who are based in LGW, do they rent a flat or just arrive the same day from somewhere or the day before and stay the night in LGW?
How many "cycles" are to be expected?
(A cycle in my understanding is for example: A Pairing like LGW-JFK-OSL-ORL-OSL-JFK-LGW)

Cliff,
Did I miss something dear chap ? Am I released from my servitude....

Daedalus737, there's enough flying out of gatwick that W patterns only really apply now to the destinations that aren't served daily, such as Orlando.

3/4 of roster is gatwick, returning to gatwick .

Norwegian will be at the Paris airshow, rumour mill has it that an order for 20+ 787-9's will be announced......

€90000 per year for LHS, no doubt they can male a decent profit and order new planes to boot,

Paris ? Not a good place to order Boeings ...

Its their new business model, buying and selling aircraft no messy requirements for pilots etc etc !

I've decided not to deposit 30.000€ with Norwegian and let the Dreamliner fly someone else. Social, isn't it?

I did the same

Opportunity
 

So I'm in the same situation, I have the opportunity to fly the 78 with NAS ....

Positives- good type rating and wide body experience

Negatives - lack of days off
Paycut
Bond
Upgrade time from RCA to 'full' cpt

Mmmmm decisions decisions

I will stay where I am too thanks.

Fade to Grey

I may have mistaken you - apologies if I did - but I took it from the context of what we were talking about and your post that you viewed the NLH set up as a bond. If I mis read you, my apologies. If I did not, my point stands. Laying down a chunk of change is not a bond.

Pot Noodle, have you tecently interviewed and been offered a poition with NLH? When did you apply? Im guessing not to the recent adverts?

Any truth to the rumour that BK has bought a server and placed it on a remote undisclosed island in the pacific ocean. Well guarded by local militia. Sources telling the sole purpose with the server is to use it mining Bitcoins at some point planning to start paying his staff that way instead of using cash money saving some money and the same time making air-travel cheaper and more available to the general public?

Please can someone in the know tell me what the arrangements are for the type rating and bond for a DEC on the 787.
Many thanks

@Gypsy likewise, If they are asking you to Pay up front with No Confirmed offer? On your head be it. If its with a written offer its not a bond its like a security Deposit. They don't have to spend Money chasing you over a bonding agreement which they may lose if its viewed as a Financial Penalty.
Basically if you go off before time they have nothing much to lose as they have your Cash already. Its been done before In a well known SE Asian Country before and others with Foreign Contract's. I Guess its here in Norwegian , I stand to be corrected but would like to know the lowdown also that's all.

Who is asking you to "pay up front" and to whom?
Norwegian's 787 pilots are all employed by an agency and supplied to Norwegian (like catering and cleaning services). Any agency employment scheme involving fees, may not comply with the Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003. The Employment Agencies Standards Inspectorate, EAS, should examine any "pay up front" revenue generator.

EAS information Link: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/p/r...workers_V2.pdf

If you need to know the bonding situation, speak to rishworth as they are solely engaged in this.
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.

For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.

Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.

I've had €20k back so far with no problems

Bondi, some of your post portray a bitter and twisted person , akin to a barrack room lawyer, this is an aviation forum, not a human rights soap box. Your post No 11 (17/08/2012) " Norwegian did not pass Your assessment? " There is a world of difference between supporting the industry standards and derisory comments when guys are simply trying to work. As ventilated many times posts regarding VAT refunds, contract Law etc etc have little use when someone is trying to secure employment rather than stand on the ground gazing into the air..with respect a bit more balance would not go amiss. No one has the right to tell other people how to spend their money..Yes the NLH system appears to have flaws, but its a personal choice..If I believed half the stuff about THY I would have blown my own head off years ago, some complete and utter cr@p posted on these forums sometimes..

Well said Kirks. There appears to be a lot of chaff on this thread and very little wheat. As I understand it the bond does not attract VAT because it is not paid to anybody. It is held on account and paid back annually. I don't know about any interest accrued but I do know from guys that are there that it is paid back on time.

Kirk you really an expert in communication. You sneak in on an unrelated thread to pump THY...ah ah ah you are the master !!!!
A bit sad as an attempt thou. Well above 90% of the thing you read on THY are 100% true by the way. The best European Airline is a pilot nightmare..not necessarily a expat pilot only.
Well I think you and your cronies managers and CFO/ CEO meeting at IATA to find ways to fill their pockets by screwing the lives and emptying those of professional pilots...and may want to think of this.
Times are changing man you will sure run of idiots to milk.

https://disciplesofflight.com/pilot-...did-pilots-go/

fade to grey - thanks for the info above.

I would also like to know about rosters etc, days off, leave - how much and how difficult to get. Hotels - are they good etc. How long is the training. Anything useful to help with decision making. I know Rishworth have lot of this stuff but I'd just like to hear it from balanced first hand reports.

Post 187 mentioned a roster pattern but over how many days is that flown?

Many thanks

So you need to pay the type rating plus the bond? 60 k aprox?

no, you make a deposit of 30k (or according your previous rating)
after 12 months it is reduced to 20k
after 24 months it is reduced to 10k
after 36 months the bond is fulfilled

Gypsy

The big plus of the company are the people. You won't work with a better bunch of pilots. Perhaps as they're thrown together in less than ideal circumstances they just get along, very well.

Rosters - rubbish.

Leave - Request away but you won't get it. Probably bought at the end of the year.

Hotels - Rubbish. Mainly airport hotels due free transport.

To summarise, you wouldn't regret the move as the working environment is enjoyable but you may want to apply elsewhere one you have the rating.

What real use is the rating?
I want to pay a mortgage off not fly for just for fun.

How can a noisy airport hotel ever be fun?


At some point the lifestyle has to be more important than the rating. Chasing ratings is a mugs game
and will land you off in a far flung part of the world working with guys who dont give a flying f;(k who you are. Unless you convert to Islam. Or marry a chinese.

The rich will like NLH. The wannabes will love it .
Dunoo about the rest.