"There is a seniority list in Norwegian, we are on it"

Norwegian has no obligation to follow any seniority list with respect to contractors. The agency employment contract does not contain a seniority clause with the lessee airline, Norwegian.

Irrespective of your eligibility and any training payment, as a contractor you have no recourse whatsoever should Norwegian not offer you the opportunity to upgrade.

If you are looking for something to work out, try working out the length of a Kjos "transitional period", after which you are offered direct employment with a company in the Norwegian Group - ref Kjos letter to DoT, June 1, 2015.

Relief captain to LGW
 

Hi ,
Anyone CAN tell me How much tax do we have to paye in UK for a non UK tax resident based on a salary of 5800£ for relief capt .
Can we have a claim back on the UK tax paid against a europeen country that have an agreement With UK .
Thanks for the answer

If you apply , pass the online stuff, and are invited for assessment, they will send you full details of the none uk resident tax situation. Basically you will pay tax on a percentage of salary earnt. So say 30%of your basic is then taxed at 25% or something along those lines.

Would they be quick with upgrading a guy to relief captain if he has more than 5000 hours a320 but no pic and no wide body hours?

The Crew
 

Thanks for your answer about UK taxe .

Having done online tests a couple of months ago I've heard nothing since. Does anyone know how the internal process works and if I should merrily move on?

The Crew, actually that's not correct, the amount of UK tax you will pay depends on your country of residence, if a DTA exists and how the UK see your tax status:

https://www.gov.uk/tax-uk-income-live-abroad/overview

You will normally always be stopped your NI in the UK as this is paid by the employer and the employee, social security benefits can usually be transferred to your country of residence.

In the UK if you are a " tax payer" the UK HMRC will give you a tax code which allows for a tax free amount. If you are non resident you will not get this allowance.

https://www.gov.uk/tax-uk-income-liv...ad/taxed-twice

You can contact the UK HMRC helpline, as for the " non-resident" section and they will clear the fog.. +44 135 535 9022

Does anyone have any info about B737 recruitment in Norwegian?

So, seems that the process is ongoing. I have received an email that sounded like "be patient and wait". The screenings are spreaded along the whole coming year, but no chance to have exact dates or periods. I guess how people can organize their roster, their days off in order to participate to the selection.
Is not like Ryanair that catches unemployed students and call them also for the day after, here there is people who lives in all over the world and they needs infos in advance to move back to Europe.

Btw wait and be patient. There is really nothing to do.

You are perhaps overly generous in your justification . . . . "disorganised" may be the simpler less palatable explanation.

Hi guys.

Can someone that has any idea give a realistic time too upgrade from relief captain.

Also what would be the net salary if you don't live in the uk.

Best regards too all

Yr

Hi all,

Just for curiosity, is commuting possible at NLH?

Thanks.

@You rock,

I believe it takes longer now for new-joiners than it took the first two years until today. We have pilots that started as FO that have already upgraded to RCA and now upgrade to CPT. This is possible because there is a seniority system, and Norwegian is following it. No exception.

My guess, if you join now as RCA, is that it will take at least three years. But I can be wrong. Can be less. Upgrade is strictly based on seniority, and for internal CPT upgrade you'll need 6000 hours of which 1000 on wide body. Until now, about 50% of all pilots that can upgrade (i.e. all FO and RCA) have already upgraded. Norwegian takes good care of their pilots in that sense. Well, that's what I believe anyway. Other operators stop upgrades and only take direct entries. Norwegian on B787 fleet has minimized direct entries on behalf of internal upgrades.

Hi Boeing operator

Thanks for the heads up, could you give me a idea of the rostering practices, I am considering commuting from italy. If you like just pm me

YR

If you're LGW based expected to be bounced out of Scandinavia for up to two weeks so they don't have to give you home base days off. This might change as more 787s go onto the UK register.
The S2 ticket system on Norwegian is very good .. the rostering is awful.
I don't think any Norwegian 787 pilot would argue with that!

Thanks fellas.

All I really need to know if I was firstly successful getting a job and secondly being based in lgw. How many days could one expect at home say in Italy.

Lastly how much would it cost me inclusive of hotac prior too flights and standby travel to get home.

Xmas is approaching wishing everyone all the best

I guess the search function doesn't work on this thread then!:ugh:

Any of you know what is to be expected at the assessment in Oslo?

"I guess the search function doesn't work on this thread then!"


My apologies. I should have searched before posting. I found the information as soon as I started looking for it.

Thanks Avenger.

So the contract is the pilot is the employee of UK crewing, An agency set up by Rishworth. Itself n agency.
The employer ( UK rewing) then contracts the pilot out to the "client" , who not Norwegian but Norwegian Singapore Private Ltd .
Good luck !

Does anyone have a Jan 8 sim/interview date?

If you have a sim, what is your background / experience?
Good luck.
G

About 5000hrs longhaul on A330, previous Military fighter pilot, 25yrs airline experience with 20yrs as Capt A320/330 but haven't flown for last 2 years.

Interview
 

I have Skype interview in a week or two.
I know nothing, but have read some old negative rumours.
What is the current state of affairs with T's & C's?
Regards.

TnCs as stated in the email info they will have sent you. Thats it. Basic plus allowances which must be claimed, not paid automatically. A lot of paperwork.

Contract fine print, is very one sided, not in your favour. You work for a UK agency, working for the employer, and sub contracted to NLH Singapore Pte ltd.

The Crew,

For the benefit of others thinking about applying to NLH, Would you mind "giving us the numbers" please?

NK

Received a few days ago, all Gross Payments, UK Gatwick base:

➢Captains: Salary £7,470.
➢Relief Captains: Salary £5,810.
➢First Officers: Salary £4,150.
➢Fixed per diem: £830

Thats it except for ~£50 phone allowance.

total pay is same as easy-jet basic, forSkipper anyway. Not highly competitive if you are currently employed in europe.

The nitty gritty details and details of "how you will be expected to work to max EASA duty hours "
of the contract i cannot disclose so sugest you apply !

Probably ok jobin 5 years time .with rostering sorted. Contract suits none UK residency.

It doesn’t look so bad.
How much are the taxes? With percentage should we take for it?

“It doesn’t look so bad” ………….

Beginning in late 2012 Norwegian began its journey of broken promises to contract pilots. The first, was to unilaterally abolish the promised on/off rotation. Many later expressed regret at leaving the rock solid 5/4 at Ryanair, and some returned. The second, was the promise of direct (CORE) employment.

In this instance, CORE refers to the directly employed Scandinavian pilots. Their privileges are the government employment laws, labor rights and labor principles workers are guaranteed directly with their employer - the entity controlling your working life. These virtues are not “banal” or merely “interests” to be granted at the whim of management. Unfortunately, they can be circumvented by unprincipled organizations.

There are no laws applicable to airline expansion preventing additional crew being directly employed by the airline. Agency sourced crew, or direct employment circumvention, allows Norwegian to gain a huge competitive advantage over their rivals, but at the severe cost to the workers of the aforementioned employment laws, labor rights and labor principles with their effective employer – Norwegian (such a scheme does not comply with the EU US Open Skies Agreement, therefore a US permit cannot be issued).

Union bullying was mentioned on another thread. There is no bullying by the union at Norwegian. On the contrary, it is the upper echelons within the Fornebue rats nest who seek to masterfully hammer home their anti-union and selected crew bullying tactics. This, while hypocritically soliciting a just culture open-door policy, peppered with disingenuous comments of “good union relations” from a paid mouthpiece (DN News Aug 7, 2015), and, after dismantling an airline into three divisions during a lawful union strike!

However, bullying is not exclusive to Norwegian and they appear to have found a willing and proficient partner in OSM.

Intimidation of the workforce:

DN News, Mar 4, 2015
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they refuse to transition to OSM”

DN News, Dec 13, 2012
"Within Norwegian threats of reprisals against crew being used in daily operations"

Nettavisen News, July 10, 2013
"English [Norwegian] intimidates officers and employees from expressing themselves"

DN News, Nov 14, 2013
"None of them [agency crew] want to come forward for fear of their future with Norwegian"

E24 News, Jan 26, 2015
"Threatened pilots to sign a new contract using aggressive tactics and threats to revoke contracts if pilots did not sign"

Intimidation of selected crew:

Dagbladet News, March 3, 2015
"Feeling exposed to a witch hunt from Kjos" - “Dream job was a nightmare” [sacked cabin crew]

DN News, Dec 4, 2015
"It emerged very strong testimony in court which in my opinion very damaging to confidence in the management of the company and created the basis for settlement. A continuation of what we heard on Tuesday would have been so devastating for Norwegian short and long term that the company had no choice but to arrive at settlement" [the out of court settlement of a sacked Safety Officer]

There are many other reports in the Scandinavian media of Norwegian’s misguided idea of “labor relations”. No doubt, Scandinavians in particular find the abhorrent treatment of workers by Norwegian to be grossly offensive to the region’s reputation for quality of working life. It is no wonder that “Half of Norwegian’s pilots want to quit” and “75% of pilots surveyed would not recommend Norwegian as an employer” - DN News, Sep 26, 2015.

Norwegian has turned hypocrisy into an art form and has the affront to declare on its website:

“We place great importance on ensuring compliance with employees’ basic human rights as outlined in the International Labor Organization’s core conventions”

The Norwegian regime has previously summarily dismissed agency pilots and cabin crew without cause or permitting individuals to respond to any allegations made against them - a blatant violation of ILO core conventions and further testament to Norwegian’s insincerity toward meaningful labor relations. As an agency pilot, you have no employment law, labor rights nor labor principles directly with Norwegian - the entity controlling your working life.

In consideration of all above, you may understand why CEO Bjorn Kjos smiles with apparent blissful satisfaction when photographed standing closely behind Norwegian crew.

Using a tax calculator it's approx 35% deduction from those figures paying tax and national insurance.

I am interested, I have 8000hrs short haul Boeing experience,and with 20+ years left in this game I'm looking for something a bit different, would anyone care to share a roster? Or at least number of trips per month,days off etc?

Also time from Relief captain to full captain, I have 4700 hrs pic on Boeing,I've heard anything from 6mths to......whatever!

In general,ignoring some of the comments on here,is it a good/easy life?

Cheers.

I'm in pretty much the same position, local to my base, home every night ,but I cant see myself doing 4 sectors every day for the next 20 odd years,retiring without having tried something different would be a big regret. A small pay cut for a more relaxed life........

I believe you don't actually pay anyone the 30k,I understand it's just held in escrow/bank guarantee.

And it's only 3 years,if I don't like it, I'll leave! (But with a few 787/777 pic hours...)

someone can kindly show us an example of a typical monthly roster?
Thanks

according ppjn :

Type rating on B787 given by Norwegian with 2 year bonding.

Quote: "I believe you don't actually pay anyone the 30k,I understand it's just held in escrow/bank guarantee. "

When I was looking into it last year, I approached most of the high st banks about providing a bank guarantee. I got replies from "no, dont do that sort of thing" to a look of total incomprehension.

So I would have had to put up the 30k. That is what has happened with friends and former colleagues who have joined.

The money was to be held in Rishworths account in NZ.

I also asked if I would get my bond back if I was made redundant through no fault of my own within the bonding period. Eg bankruptcy, base closure etc, and was told no, because I have a marketable rating. I thought this was very unfair. I could understand it if I left of my own accord within the bond period, but not if it was out of my control.

Kika

It isn't a marketable rating unless you want to fly in Vietnam, which is one of the few places in the world where you are required to have a 777/787 rating before applying. Almost everyone else will rate you at their expense pending a paper bond.

It all boils down to the fact is that it's a really friendly airline. They want to do the right thing. However, the guys at the top down are out to screw you into the ground.
If you have a 777 rating from the ME, desperate to come home then NAS doesn't seem bad. However look at the Gatwick base that isn't a base (It may be when they have six 787s there on G reg) plus the amount of days away you are. It's a pants deal.
You only need to see how many FOs have jumped ship to VS and experienced TRIs in dispute with the new contract AND the management still not getting it.

Anything in particular you can tell us about on here?

Still looking for an example of a roster if anyone has one they can de identify!

Rishworth sample roster
 

Hi, if you want to see a sample roster just email Rishworth.
Management are snooping around on forums and chat apps at the moment and as we're only contractors I don't think anyone is putting too much information out sadly.
It's a nice airline, training more than chopping but the rostering is diabolical.

Cheers nearly man,

I received some info from rishworth, is the allowance taxed the same as the salary or is it paid separately under a different tax rate?

I know it's been asked to death on here already,but realistically what would be the time from relief to full captain, best case/worst case?

It's going to be pretty tough on that salary for a few years! About a £1700 net per month drop from my current lot !!!