Certainly that rate isn't sustainable but it can only mean better things for those that stay.

BA or the desert lifestyles aren't as attractive as they used to be and commuting contracts in the Far East have far exceeded anything you'll get at Thiefrow or the Sandpit.

I have an 8 mile, 13 minute commute, I do two sectors a day, sometimes I work (but never fly) 6 days in a row but then I get at least 3 off and I do bugger all in the winter, which means I can go and spend a lot of time in another country's summer on full pay. The only time I get close to an FTL limit is when the French or Spanish get their knickers in a twist and go on strike (1 times use of discretion in 4 years). Compare that to BA where you will do 900 hours a year, normally three sector days (enjoy that 2 hour turnaround and visit to the crewroom between flights which makes your day even longer), normally night stop - in a different hotel each night as you do hotel tours around Europe - drive the M25 every other day or commute which used to cost me the better part of 500 quid a month at least. Yeah, yeah I know in 36 years time you'll be earning top scale but I'll be retired long before then and don't care anyway.

Lots of people here whine about management (I presume you think you can do better?) but who cares what they do. I get paid on time every month and have as little to do with management as possible, which is nothing. And no, I don't read Tailwind or the latest department communication.

I go to work, have a laugh, then go home.

Oh, and flying a 25 year old aeroplane is no different to flying a 2 week old one which I used to do regularly. They all break every now and again, it's your job to deal with it.

That sounds like my world 15 years ago - winter off, work hard in the Summer. In today's cut throat, cost efficient world do you think this is sustainable long term? Presumably the aircraft are paid for so that gives some cost saving. However, it looks like an accountants dream scenario to take the knife to it.

Who knows?

But when I eventually end up working as hard as everyone else is now I think I'll be grateful for the slack years I'm having at the moment.

NNUTS
Nothing new under the sun. What's wrong with F/O's moving on. Good luck to them. I know a Captain who joined Jet 2 and almost immediately asked to return to his previous employer (unlucky). Grass is green. Things may / may not get better and winter is only 3 and a half rosters away.

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 

......winter is coming ..........


Right off to Jet Blast

Problem creating Login on Jet2.com careers page
 

Hi everybody!

I seem to have a problem creating a login profile on the Jet2.com careers page.

I get the following msg:
'Your log in credentials cannot be validated. You may have created an account in the past, if so please click the 'forgot your password' link on the Welcome page to reset your password.'

I can't recall having ever created an account in the past (I only got drunk once in my life having holes in my memory, but that was years ago in college :ugh::confused:).

Did anybody have the same problem?

Also, can anybody confirm the latest T&C.

You can PM me.

Thank you for the reply

Cheers

Invite
 

Been invited to an assessment on Aug 5th if anyone fancies meeting up the night before in LBA? PM me if you like. Experienced FO, non rated and non jet... 2300TT and applied on the day it opened, did the tests the following morning.

Also is the pay scale on PPJN correct? Could one assume that you would go in directly on the FO pay scale of circa 50k and not the SO pay scale? Because 50% of the SO scale during the first couple of months would be rough.

Any current Jet2ers who could clarify would be appreciated.

Not sure on the PPJN scales that 50kish is SFO not FO I think? SO is just for pilot apprentices so with your experience you could expect FO which is 40k something but maybe a current Jet 2 FO could correct me on that?

Expect 50% until end of line training, if non TR that will be 3-6 months depending on time of year. I think they changed things last year where if you go beyond 13 weeks and it is their fault they will increase the wage anyway.

Post 50% it is pot luck on contracts, you may go 100% straight away or 70% for some time. Most people I know recently were 70% for 12-15 months so you should prepare for that in your budget if you are successful.

How long are people waiting from application to reply either way?

Cheers for the reply, I guessed the 50K was too good to be true! Is it 50% of 100% or 50% of 70% if that makes sense? And once on the line with flight pay (if such a thing exists) what could an FO expect to take home on 70%?

Three colleagues who sat in the pool from the previous round of recruitment just got offered 100% in their base of choice. I will worry about the contract stuff if/when I get an offer but the apprentice i spoke to on the phone was very relaxed and straight forward so hopefully the assessment is the same. I waited 2 weeks for the call.

SO is the Pilot Apprentices, not sure why the salary is but it's painful.

FO is just over £50k

SFO is around £56k.

Expect half pay until passing your final line check. I joined already type rated, requiring the minimum of an OCC,LPC and 10 sectors....which took 2 1/2 months!:ugh:

That being said, we did receive a partial refund from the company due to the longer than expected training period. This effectively bought the time on half pay down to 7-8 weeks.

From what I've seen, your experience of Jet2 will largely depend on your base. In my experience at my base the people are great and I look forward to going to work while being far enough removed from management at LBA to remain anonymous. Which is the best way to be at Jet2!

As for the company itself, there's enough on this thread for you to make up your own mind so I'll leave that subject alone. Just go in with your eyes wide open!

ATB

2W2R

Great, thanks for that, I think I could handle the pay cut for that period of time with the long term gain in mind. It is the same with any airline, as it is with life, there will always be those who are not happy... but Jet2 would suit me so hopefully it all goes well

Sorry I stand corrected.

It's 50% of 100% and sector+duty pay on top during line training (I think correct me again!).

As I say it's random on base/contract, I know 2 from my old company that got 100% 1st base choice and several others got 70% and no base choice at all!! Seems like the 100% and base choice always comes through in the end except for EMA which seems to be the most popular choice and as such can take a long while.

As for 70% FO take home no idea but 70% skipper was about £4200ish mid summer and about £3200ish mid winter and you will be on a few £K less than that as 100% FO and less sector pay so should give you a rough idea.

I guess it depends on where you have worked before for perspective. My story is fairly typical, as I would take being home every night in the UK and living in the north any day of the week over bigger money/shinier planes or living down south or abroad. Add to that a good mix of interesting destinations, full flights, a company that makes profit (novelty to me) and what I think is good money (see previous companies!). So personally think it's great but can see why some people don't like it and why some are looking to move on.

I bet if they only paid expenses for the first year, and 50% for 2 more years, you guys would lap it up. Its better than being unemployed you would shout.

Who's married with kids at independant school, taking home around £4000 ave/ month? Ah thought so.

Shiney big jets on big salary has its attractions .
Living in Leeds with November " off" hmmm

No actually i think it is The Crew and scratching the sky who miss the point, if Jet2 offer me 70% without the need to move base it would be a 5k pay rise, 100% would be a 15k pay rise. So why wouldn't i accept?! Do you know why office staff get full time contracts? Because its a **** job that no one wants to do. Pilots get bent over the desk because we are an inherently selfish group who have allowed our own T's and C's to spiral, we only have ourselves to blame. If we had half the self respect of the tube drivers we might stand half a chance, but last time i checked you couldn't buy yourself into the front seat of a tube at 18yrs old with no experience. Also no one forced you to pay 'upwards of 100,000 pounds' for your licence, I paid less than half that for mine and have worked for 4 different companies so far, never has the interviewer commented on what school I went to.

Could be worse
 

Just to add my thoughts. Whilst it would be great to get full pay throughout training, I did four months months without any pay with my current lot whilst doing the TR, and in month five earned about £400 for a couple of office days we did.

Just think that's four months I did with zero pay whatsoever. I had to pay for my own accommodation and had to sell my car (a six year old Korean hatchback, nothing fancy) just to make ends meet. So it certainly isn't a Jet2 issue alone. It could be better but it could be a lot worse.

70% would suit me fine if I can get my local base. I currently spend £600-700 on commutting and accommodation per month, not to mention the nonexistent lifestyle. It may be a pay cut (I'm currently 75%) but I imagine I would be better off financially, and you cannot put a price on the quality of life it would bring.

Good luck to all those who are applying.

I totally agree, its about time we have a bit of leverage behind us, my current crowd don't seem to understand that if every one of their pilots goes to BA or Jet2 this year that the airplanes won't fly themselves!

Changed your mind?

Two or three years ago they offered me the B757, 70% contract, pay my own type rating, and don't get any pay until I start online. Suffice to say I politely turned them down.

I suspect most people would rather have a job with the expectation of Ts and Cs improving, as they must, than wait to have a job with improved Ts and Cs.

CC, I believe that was the deal dreamed up to take advantage of soon to be redundant Flybe bods.

Unsurprisingly not many accepted it.

The irony is you would be much better off now had you taken it.

Chesty. This was before the redundancies kicked off, I think this was when jet 2 opened up to non type rated bods for the first time in eons. I reckon it was about 3 years ago. I believe they were phoning alot of people up offering similar deals to which alot said no but as this was the first signs of recruitment in the UK for a while I would imagine alot said yes. I just couldn't accept it because my mortgage still needed paying for the 3 months minimum it would have taken me to get online.

Interesting. I came here in 2012 (under the shadow of redundancy) as a 737 DEC, 100% bonded.

It was only shortly after that I heard about this "deal" from friends who'd stayed at Flybe. They said it felt like Jet2 was trying to take advantage of their current employment position!

Wasn't there a presentation specifically for Flybe types to attend at Leeds?

Maybe it was four years ago, it was certainly way before the redundancy situation at Flybe and it was certainly in the middle of the recession. I believe the feeling was jet 2 were phoning up candidates and offering this to "test the water" to see what pilots would accept and what they wouldn't accept. I know a fair number of my colleagues were offered something similar, as were some of my colleagues in other airlines.

I have personally since May this year spoken to 4 pilot's that have joined on 70% and have heard of more.

I agree that 50% pay while training is rubbish and 70% contracts are less than ideal. However you have to look at your own individual circumstances to make that kind of decsion. For some people 70% at Jet 2 will be the same or more than they were on with their previous employer and for some it is an employer that is on the verge of making you redundant or going bust. The 70% part leaves you with 5 months per annum off pro rata. If you book your leave right you can end up with 4 straight months off, in that period you can work somewhere else to make up your wages.

Add into this a free type rating and a small financial sweetener if your training drags on. Add to that living in the north UK and being home every night is an absolute necessity for your personal circumstances and you start to see why people make the choice to go to Jet 2. Is there any other choice in the UK that meet those requirements (especially for DEC) these days?

Yes it's not ideal and 50%/70% is bad for the industry but don't be so quick to judge people that do take it because for many there is simply no other choice. In the schemes of things the deal at Jet 2 is nowhere near as bad as many other employers and once you are on your 100% in your base of choice it's amazing how quickly you forget the misery of 50%/70%!

Narrow
One of the down sides to be a Pilot is they are highly paid (in most cases) assets. Certainly in my previous airlines they were on more $$ than the MD and a lot lot less commercial pressure.
Jet 2 are a seasonal airline as you know. They are just taking advantage of the market conditions. As you know it's quiet common for Cabin Crew to be seasonal so instead of laying Pilots off (fearing they won't come back unlike a lot of cabin crew do) they go to these 70% contracts. Yes it's crap but it might suit some F/O, get the hours and move on, or Captains - move close to home for family reasons.

My experience of Office Staff levels is lean n mean and the 30% saving for a Captains salary will pay for a few!

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Office staff also have no job security. No attempt at a 'Just Culture' or even explanation for removal. No union representation. No guarantee of location. No notice period. Guess all this equals what the CAA would call churn.....

Anyone else out there doing online tests have server speed issues? Far from ideal on a times test. Wondering which end of the line the problem might be!

How are the online tests? are they as difficult as before? any good ways to prepare? last year they were very very hard

Verbal reasoning ! Am I the only one who cannot complete even half the questions in the allotted time ?

Have people started to hear either way? PFO or interview date?

I submitted mine and completed the assessments about a week ago. Not heard anything either way yet but I'm sure it will be a good while before we hear any news.

For the tests is read up on currency conversions (A to B to C etc) and it was s hectic 20 minutes! The verbal reasoning I found ok. The 220 personality questionnaire took ages as the iPad didn't seem to like it. Perhaps it's better doing it on a desktop.

It won't be long folks, interviews are taking place in Leeds today.

The company will just about get through this summer by the looks of it although things are beginning to get chaotic. Next summer is a different story altogether if the rumoured number of guys and girls in the BA and FR Hold Pools turns out to be accurate!

As for these online tests, they're not too taxing (unless they've changed in the last couple of years) but none the less a load of utter s***. Jet2 HR behaving as if they're better than they are!

Good luck to those applying. Nice people at Base level but join with your eyes wide open!!!

2W2R

FO's are constantly hitting the 100hr in 28 day limit this summer due to the numbers of FO's leaving for the likes of BA.

Any indication of how many positions are on offer yet and the deal that is on the table from anyone that has already interviewed?

Lots of positions will be available on both fleets at various bases.

I believe the deals being offered are weighted more towards 100% contracts this year but I've also heard of HR continuing to take the p*** by offering 70% contracts too. The current thinking seems to be NTR get 70% and TR get 100%.

But that could all change as resignations from people off to BA and FR continue to land at LFFH.

I did the assesments recently. I found them difficult and no chance i could complete the tasks in the allotted time. I presume this is the whole idea to introduce a time pressure element, but even so.

Rocket scientist m not, however the numerical reasoning stuff was A level statistics. Which i did . Years ago. And mechanics. If you need a calculator then its hardly a reasoning test?

Im not going any further if this is what they are looking for. Im B767/757 rated with 6000 hours P1 on my UK licence.

The process is all a bit baffling to those of us who have been use to the face to face interview process.

Ill stick to what i know, oh yes flying !

Glad to hear I am not the only one here! I don't mind the odd tech's Q&As sheet but...personality test and verbal reasoning after you are past the 1/2000 hrs mark?

Too many decent ones would slip through the net, I guess.

Well, at least Jet2 HR man is an extremely approachable guy so one can still go fact-finding after 4 weeks of nothing heard...

DK :(

I think that personality and psychological tests will form a huge part of licensing, medical and recruitment in the future.

The unfortunate events in the French Alps will demand it.

Possibly but from what I gather right now it seems more that everyone is tarred with the same brush, regardless of whether they are cadets or experienced guys under scrutiny. Not sure it's so wise in terms of quality vs. quantity.

My 2p

DK :rolleyes: