And the Trainers keep peddling the nonsense! Good one JFP! Jet2's "brick wall" getting ever closer....

Is the recruitment process an on going process or is there a closing date for the current advertised NTR 737 positions ?


Did you fail a sim check given your general beef with the company ?

Honiley,

What is your issue?

I've heard people speak more fondly of their ex-partners after toxic divorces than you do about Jet2.

For those seeking a more balanced view, Aluminium shuffler #121 has summed it up nicely.

Shuffler

Which were mostly posted on the crew room wall!

If you are on that good a contract, I'd say you've made the right choice. You would definitely miss that 5/4.

Some of my friends on the old old contract, or the floaters did very nicely, but I was assuming you we're on the new old, or even the new new deal. Also, if you weren't a cadet you're probably a captain by now, so not facing a base change. All these things turn it into a judgement call. I'm a lot better off: only a little below the industry average. So I can't complain. Still do, though!

Those wanting to get in.

People who post negative things about Jet2 are not unhappy cos they failed. They're unhappy cos they've had to deal with the lies and betrayal of the senior members of the company. It's a good job to be based at home. But that pleasure won't last long when you see the way the company works on the inside. Feel free to join. But don't complain when your morale is low and you've wondered why you've joined on a 70% contract to be sat with no chance of upgrade due to company politics.

For anyone interested in a NTR DEC position, J2 only offer a 70% contract which 'should' be made up to a 100% contract at around 14-16 months after your start date. This is to cover the cost of the type conversion I was told, yet a 14.5k training bond was imbedded in the contract when it arrived! There was no mention of the 70% contract as being the only option to NTR guys at the assessment day.

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He must be 'puffing' that stuff again together with that dragon that lives near him! It does make him rather bitter, doesn't it? That autumn mist does seem to 'fog' his views somewhat! Do you think that he ever worked there or is it just that he didn't get in?

peddling the nonsense!
 

Honiley, you appear to know me, I don't hide behind a cloak here, everybody knows me and I'm happy with that. You appear to know little about the current recruitment however, as there was no nonsense in my statement.

I see many pilots coming for selection, from all backgrounds, many trying to return to Jet2 having tried the water elsewhere. Many of those that come for the assessment do not get through for one reason or another, they are from all backgrounds, not just inexperienced pilots, they are type rated, or flying other jets both considerably larger to somewhat smaller, to turbo-prop pilots to zero commercial experience at all. So if we can't be choosy we wouldn't be showing the door to so many experienced pilots would we?

Jet2 evidently isn't/wasn't for you, you obviously have a far better life, contract, T's & C's than those of us at little old Jet2, so enlighten us all Honiley, what is the name of this land of milk and honey airline that you are working for that permits you to Lord it about Jet2 so that we might be able to take a "balanced" view of your opinions?

It was 28K over 3 years for the last lot. Starts after FLC and does not reduce for first year. If it's only 14.5k now that's a big reduction.

They also told the 70%'ers that they would be offered 100% after first season but the 16 months is much more realistic representation of the real timescale to 100%.

14.5k is if you qualify for ZFT (Zero Flight Time) Training.

In other words, it can all be done on the sim and no expensive aircraft circuits.

To back up Johnny FP’s comments, it’s surely a question of “one man’s meat .. etc etc”

I spent a great 10 years at Jet2, and only left because the law doesn’t allow aged old f*rts to transport the general public. Being completely ‘up front’ I was in pilot management and training there and so you’ll understand that my views will inevitably be coloured by that fact. Nevertheless, it gave me a very good overview of how the company works.

I would venture to suggest that no airline is perfect, and one must take the posts about Jet2 in the context of comments on this forum about other airlines. These are direct cut-and-pastes from PPRuNe:

BA CityFlyer: “Go in with your eyes very much open... Morale at an all time low... mass exodus underway (at last)”

Norwegian Air Shuttle: “Norwegian is disgusting, Speaking as a current Norwegian pilot / former Ryanair pilot. My only advice is to stay away from Norwegian at all cost. Unless that is you enjoy to be terminated with one month notice ..”

Qatar Airways: “The training is generally of a very low standard and it's also fear driven with very little positive feedback or encouragement, parrot fashion regurgitation of the ops manual is encouraged, using your brain to think laterally and solve problems is not. Get used to saying "yes captain I see captain" a lot, even when the guy is an ignorant third world buffoon, they can make your life hell if you disagree with them.”

Ryanair: Where do I start? How about: “Sadly Ryanair do not value experience in the flight deck, nor anywhere else within the company. I have never met such a bunch of morons as the management there.”

I could go on with airline after airline with identical sentiments. I would point out that in each case above there are at least an equal number of posts expressing a precisely opposite opinion. It seems that no airline is lauded by 100% of the workforce, some like where they are and some don’t - and of course there will always be those who permanently sport a face like a slapped bum and will never be satisfied anywhere.

It’s all down to what suits you personally. I know Johnny FP and I think that he speaks honestly, and with the majority voice. For me, Honiley’s view doesn’t match mine by a long way – and let me say that the airline has the lowest twit to good bloke (girl) ratio I’ve ever come across; in 10 years I only encountered one person who I really didn’t like flying with. The current Chief Pilot (now Deputy DFO) is an absolute gent and is honourable and decent, and the training is first-class.

I miss it.

I'm sure UK109 is close to the mark, there are good and bad experiences in all airlines, a lot really does come down to personal circumstances and crucially how the roster fits your home life, we would all like zero roster disruption but thats not realistic and in Summer Jet2 are very very busy and delays and changes are a fact of life when working older aircraft very hard. On the positive side winters are a breeze provided your on a 100% contract.:ok:

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 

Agreed... Every where has it's pros and cons! Back onto topic for the people trying to get in. Jet2 can be better and it could be worse. Do what makes you happy :)

16024, now you get it - different deals all over FR. My contract is old enough at 10yrs, and as DEC I havent had to put up with the base transfer shennaingans. It best not to make assumptions about what deal someone has until you have all the facts. I have one of the best line shag contracts in RYR and am well aware of the few benefits we have, but still want to move on. Jet2 offered me a 100% contract right off the bat, and if I could have made the figures work, I'd have taken it because I felt them to be more humane. That is a big issue for some of us.

There's nothing humane about Jet2. They are ruthless and will screw you over to save a pound. I've been there and got the t-shirt.

It sounds like roster stability is still as bad as it was five years ago, so there's no reason to think it won't be just as bad in another five years.

In that case winters are a gale force wind on 70%, only downside is being skint and the wife thinking you have actually been sacked but have neglected to tell her!!!

As long as word still keeps creeping out about the reality of this gutter airline, then hopefully it will be forced to change, a win for those wishing to join and those employed

HON

I would firstly like to reiterate my question as to where you work, still no reply I see.

Secondly, whilst I won't dispute your awareness that 2 pilots intend to resign during this week, I would have to question the motives that you have cited :-

Job security - consistent profit making airline that has, and continues to grow steadily.

Boredom - really puzzled, bored of what exactly? 50 odd routes to a varied and diverse set of destinations, combined with ad hoc charters, so I don't think its that. Sitting at home quite a bit in the winter, perhaps, but having had a busy summer it should be a bit of a relief.

Jet2 will never be able to compete with the likes of BA or the desert, but there appears to be many looking to return from the latter.

JFP...
 

... agree with you, and I think there may be a few more resignations to boot.

The only bit I disagree on and agree with Hon on (A first, as I think he is a bitter twisted person who failed J2) is on boredom.

The B757 fleet don't have the diversity, but do have a lot of sitting around in an office all day - not what pilots want to do. It has a big impact.

JFP.

Honiley is a frustrated DHL pilot, not happy with his lot there.

I believe he was not successful with the Jet2 selection process on 2010, what is DHLs loss is Jet2's gain!

Really?
 

LSM - really? Not what I hear. They either want to fly or be at home, but not stuck in never never land.

SC, when the 757 was in NCL there were no complaints;)

I guess it's changed now they're all sitting in Cheese House.

Well, no. As this is a thread for people who might want to try to move to J2 from somewhere else, I think they'd be more interested in hearing that 90+ % would be better off than about one guy on a special deal who was still having to weigh it up.

I have no particular axe to grind here.

Had (yet another) unsolicited call from that nice lady in Zenon a couple of days ago, asking (maybe because I live in Spain ) if I fancied a job flying the "Classic" in ALC.

Apparently, the contract is now all year round, and "promised" ;) as ongoing, I have heard all the bad news, but, if I wasn't otherwise engaged I would have been open to it, as one devoted to remaining in "Sunny Spain".

Folks for strokes & all that, but, for some at least, this is a little "oasis" totally alien to life in LBA, that may be attractive to some ? (or am I missing sumfink bl**dy obvious ? )

From what I hear, those based down there permanently are enjoying the lifestyle. Not much flying though, but plenty of time sitting at the airport. Maybe a good chance to do an Open University course...

Could anyone who went for assessments in Nov or Dec let me know (either on here or via PM) if you have heard anything yet....just wondering if I'm the only one still waiting.....:bored:

Everhopefully
 

You may be the only one still waiting, which is positive for you because i know of 4 who have heard nothing and in the meantime have signed with another 737 operator...............hang in there a good outfit if you do get the call.

Still waiting. Received an update email mid December to say my application is still being considered and that they would be in touch the following week. Nothing since.

Rumours that the Pilot Manager has or is in process of leaving? I don't know if that might be why job offers are slow to go out?


They have made the mistake in previous years of thinking that a big pile of applicants means that there is no rush to recruit. Finding out the hard way when making offers, that crew have already secured jobs elsewhere.

I was interviewed in November and singed my contract a few weeks ago starting in a few months time. My friend also received the good news. Both of us are type rated. I received the same email in mid December saying they would be in contact the next week and received the call and contract exactly a week later.

Is the recruitment process still ongoing or is it finished for the moment?

Call and ask, they are an approachable bunch in my experience. There has been offers of 100% contracts to 737 rated bods (both seats) prior to Christmas. They start mid April. You would assume these are the main courses prior to summer; but I'm only speculating.

Just received my PFO! Luckily had been offered a job elsewhere in the 4 months between applying and today, so this concludes my interest in Jet2 for the foreseeable.

A shame as I really wanted to work for them at one stage, but right now I have no idea what they are looking for! Good luck to the rest to of you still in the 'process' :E

PFO for me today for non-TR FO (2000TT on TP). Had tried to get bit of inside track on recruitment and was keen for a base in Weegie-town, but made no difference in the end. Can't say I'm surprised given the probable volume of applications and availablity of TR'd folk. Suppose there's maybe next year...

Best of luck to anyone still in the process.

PFO for me today too. Next time maybe. Good luck to those still in the running.

Annual call
 

Yesterday I got my annual phone call from an agency that supply's pilots to Jet2.

So from this I gather that they are looking for pilots.

Same boat, they were offering ALC base, and said it was "ongoing" rather than "seasonal". . . that was a surprise.

I bet you told the lady the same thing as I did !

You really don't want to spend most of your life at ALC sitting around Jet2's version of the QRA shed.

Interesting A and C, the recruitment department is saying that they have all that they require for the year. I watch from a distance these days, it seems to be the best way.

Many within Low Quality House, Training Department and The Mint very much in a "Jet2 world" of their own, they'll spin what they want out there! The reality is a lucky many leaving for better options and "quality" flight crew options are slim pickings!

Better delve into that Pilot Apprentice pool again!

Ooooo, the "Weekly Presentation"...