The Legend that is Honest Frank - when he was in the Training Department, Jet2 was worth working for...

The problem is, there are simply much better deals out there now.

I've been here a decade and like everywhere, the company does some things brilliantly, some not so much. I've had more roster changes this year, than in the previous 9.

The Easyjet captain coming the other way is on about £1,300 per month net more than I, has staff travel, a pension worth £900 per month more, crew meals, newer aircraft and a better uniform policy. All from a company that's 4 times bigger, but makes 10 times the profit.

Virtually all those I know who have left, were northerners either going to Ryanair or BA, but were intending on staying in the north. This isn't so much of a southerners exodus as it once was.

If things don't change rapidly on the T&Cs front I think they will struggle next year, and do feel the management recognise this and will subsequently react. I just hope on so many levels they do it properly and promptly for so many reasons.

This is a good company to work for, but with some fairly obvious changes and some small tweaks could be a great company.

Horizon Travel, Holiday Tour Operator, created Orion, their in-house airline. Both traded very successfully and were eventually sold to the Thomson Travel Group, who own their own in-house airline, Britannia, all of which is now owned by TUI.

The JET2 "mob" are as successful as the foregoing companies, acccording to their published public company accounts. Furthermore JET2 did not lay off 100+ pilots in the last economic crisis, as did Thomson/Britannia.

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 

As successful or not that jet2 are, if people don't want to work for you you're doing something very wrong. 15%+ attrition is not sustainable for any employee group, particularly one that has such long lead in times as pilots. As management well know people leaving now have wanted out for a very long time. Jet2 lost them last year or even earlier. No amount of tinkering will change the minds of anyone who has decided they want to out.

6 on 2 off and hitting every single limit of cap 371 as several of my friends who are still there (but are also waiting to hand in their notice) are doing will not help that situation.

People working in the cargo bases have always been slightly protected because the Royal Mail business was the holy sacred cash cow that could not be late or disrupted. Historically they have always been over crewed and generously rostered with a very light programme. With the reduction of the first class mail guarantee and a fully privatised business, how long do you think the mail will be willing to pay 10 times rail or road fare for a first class letter?

That's when the seasonality of the business and jet2's incapability of securing any significant winter business will really bite. Coupled with new expensive aircraft. Good luck chaps and chapesses.

A Jet2 pilot has hit 900 hours in 12 months? That's gotta be some achievement!!

Ok mea culpa. That's the only one missing. But again that's because of the company's inability to find winter work.

As an upside to all of this and the possible potential for a company to evolve, if they "grow up" and remove the OAP at the top who clearly knows nothing else, for those that wish to stick out the bad times, it could all come very right for T&C's IF LFFH changes its tack!?!

Just a thought!

The 'only one' gorter? You now saying LS pilots are operating to max FDP on each duty with min rest between and are hitting the 14 day, 28 day and 12 month duty hour limits as well? Or do you mean they are knocking on the door of 100 block hours in 28 days? Pretty sure there will be TOM, TCX, MON pilots who will be on similar hours (there certainly was when I was there in the 'good' old days).

O the good old days report for duty, take the handover and go down the flying club for a few sherberts and oggle at the DAD's (Dan Air Dogs * a well known group of crew on temp assignment to EMA * non PC statement, nice bunch of lasses really).
Crews worked hard, played hard, none of this us and them bollixs, never heard the F word once. None of the it's all about me moaning Nigels (sorry Giggler) O I've had my roster changed 3 times in the last hour (the curse perhaps of e-crew access to rosters, in the old days the rosters changed just as much just the crews never knew it!!)
Somebody transport me back there please. Now days its all too much like hard work...:\:\

Mr A of P...
 

It's ok, Dani will tell you I've never forgotten my roots! Will never say 'no'!

So you did understand? Or you didn't, like you first suggested?
Actually you are wrong. But I couldn't give a :mad: either way.

Wrong again. Not a good record so far. You really know absolutely nothing about me, what I know or what I think.

Cover what? Your difficulty in understanding a sentence or simple mathematics? Not really.

Rumour has it, the number of leavers has got so bad, the "once a year" recruitment policy is being binned, with year round, continuous recruitment replacing it.

Anyone else heard this one?

No, another long day sailing and barbecuing actually, which is rather relaxing. And like I said you know nothing about me.

It's still not clear whether you understood simple maths or not...

As a Jet2 reject I wonder why you're so involved in this thread?

And into a new week...and 2 more resignations from the 757 fleet!

It's a good job there isn't such a thing as a winter flying program! Bets on when aircraft will be parked up?!

What do you find so satisfying about resignations?

It's all positive news my little Prickly friend!

Think of all those good folk bettering their careers and employment packages by quite a margin, their job satisfaction and long-term choices. Think of all those guys that have been stuck on turbo-props for years that now have an opportunity to get onto a jet, and then ultimately move on themselves in a few years to that career airline...think of all those Pilot Apprentices that will be moving onto type-rating courses within/less than 12 months...

It's all fantastic industry stuff my little angry sailor! The fact you don't get it?! - Reverend Meeson Cool-Aid drinker!

Have a great day my little patronising, argumentative cabin boy!

You've answered the wrong question. I didn't ask why it was good for the industry, which is readily apparent, but why you find them so personally satisfying. I don't see you posting about every resignation at other airlines.

Surely you should be enjoying your commute and time at Cranebank by now instead of teasing your Jet2 hard on everyday, you sad man.

Sean, congratulations, I hope your career move works out for you and the future brings all that you wish for. Can I ask you now please as a former colleague to leave those of us who are enjoying our career at Jet2 and also have hopes and dreams to let it go? You may have a dislike for your former employer but your posts are hurtful and unnecessary to your former colleagues. Thanks

This thread seems to have far less traffic from potential applicants than the last two years of recruiting. I wonder if that is due to a decrease in interest in the positions or people from the last two years who had a similarly difficult application process just can't be bothered applying? I certainly had to mentally prepare myself for another few months of misinformation and poor communication. Having previously been through a sim assessment and placed in the pool only to be eventually forgotten. I hope this year is a little different.

I concur with bluepilot, SD grow up or take your bitter unwanted and childish vitriol elsewhere.

What is a cool aid drinker? You keep mentioning it. Koolaid is an American drink. Can't see the context you're using it in.

From Wikipedia;

Quote:

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"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a figure of speech commonly used in North America that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure. The phrase oftentimes carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. It can also be used ironically or humorously to refer to accepting an idea or changing a preference due to popularity, peer pressure, or persuasion. The phrase derives from the November 1978 Jonestown deaths, in which over 900 members of the Peoples Temple, who were followers of Jim Jones, committed suicide by drinking a mixture of a powdered soft drink flavoring agent laced with cyanide. Although the powder used in the incident included Flavor Aid, it was commonly referred to as Kool-Aid due to the latter's status as a genericized trademark.

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My point about Orion was that many fore runners of J2 have come and gone. Here today gone tomorrow. Many doing quite well, but caught up in the endless take overs and mergers in the industry.

Have management made any moves to steady the ship? Surely this is busy busy season?

And you are heading straight for it. Anybody that has doubts about Jet2 all they need to do is look at the Dart Group share price which is at all time high. The City folks are no fools.

Richard Branson quote.
Even FR have adopted a charm offensive to both customers and staff.
Where FR leads others follow, eventually.
Learn the lesson.

Air Crew ARE one of your most valuable assets.

Just to add some perspective...in Monarch, all pilots are on an 85% percent contract with no prospect of 100% working.

Its not that we are saying other places aren't having a tough time, the threat of the next problem at Monarch must be awful, and many of us have gone through redundancies in the past, lets hope they stay and turn it around. I know Jet2 management will be licking their lips if Monarch were to fail, the influx of pilots would solve all of their problems... apart from the training aspect, the year round training program must be leading to TRE/TRI's looking elsewhere for more enjoyable employment.

Morale is at an all time low, management burying their heads in the sand and denying all knowledge. The rostering questionnaire due out will not be pretty reading, and the results will no doubt not be distributed to the workforce like the last one.

So no, things could be worse, and we know that, but with certain management factions and lack of care resignations will continue UFN!

Jet2 in now the biggest employer of ex bmibaby pilots, the people at Norwegian that wanted/needed a Northern base have long since joined Jet2 or Ryanair, the ex baby pilots remaining in Monarch are now approaching the 3 year point since flying the 'bobby' so its not just a few days in the sim anymore.

The one distributed to the yes men who will tell the company that everything is rosy.

Online Tests
 

The application this year indicated that there would be some online tests, namely personality, numerical and verbal reasoning. So far only the personality test has appeared. A colleague says he had the same, but then another says he had the numerical reasoning test. Can anyone clarify what tests they have had? I'm starting to worry their online system is playing up again.

Regards
Loop

Applied 1 week ago, got personality, verbal reasoning and numerical test. No email or acknowledgement so far, however the job-application page shows "received" status and that all online assessment have been completed.

Indeed their online recruitment system left a lot to be desired few years back, so hopefully this is a better version.

Good luck

PZ :uhoh:

Dont expect to hear a thing from the recruitment department unless they need you. Like Norwegian, easyJet and the rest , they lack the decency of basic communication skills.

Ostensibly, the pilot employers can treat you as they wish because they know you have no other options or you certainly would not have gone through all the hassle of applying.

Well, over 100 of their pilots have got other options so they may want to start embracing that "Take me There" thing!

Jet2 tests
 

For those who only received the personality test had you applied and completed the online tests previously within the last 12 months. I think it means your scores are still valid.

JB007

not sure what you mean? I have in on "good authority" from LFFH that only 17 pilots have left in the last year, all of which were young FOs bound for BA long haul and they also think that Jet2 is an employer of choice.


:ugh:

Ah, but he's biased. He's happy to enjoy last minute roster changes at his current employer but bemoans roster stability at his last.

Any sense there?

Hello Spandex! Missing you!

You can't be serious...
 

Yes - mainly FO's but also Captains. Only 17? More than 17 alone from MAN have left. They're going to BA, FR, the sand pit. And BA short haul as well as LH. Complete rubbish you have been given "on good authority"

I last did the tests at the end of 2014. I've no idea if I passed them; like many others, I only received a PFO at the start of this year when it appeared Jet2 were about to be inundated with ex Monarch pilots.

My current application status says Under Review.

Loop

Station_Calling what Artie Fufkin wrote is the nonsense management has been feeding the workforce since January. The actual figure is somewhere between 85 and 100 pilots. For the reasons why they have left us, have a look at all the negative comments in this topic.