I believe that Jet2 have just about filled all the perm slots, they always have a bunch of Zenon contractors due to the flexibility this offers for the summer season.

I was told upto 20 of those Pilot Apprentice Sprogg types joining in 2015! So that's how we're filling all those leavers!? I suppose it fits with the "pound foolish" culture!

How long before the CAA make an enquiry into the experience levels?!? :ugh:

Sean Dillon,

That doesn't seem to worry the CAA wrt CTC and Easy!

PFO received, 4600TTL, rated and current on both B737(3100 hours on type) and B757/767(1000 hours on type) applied for both.

But got a better paid gig months ago

(Sounds like) a Lucky Escape !

Maxed-Out,

easyJet training department is VERY experienced, VERY established and not focussed on "niff-naff and trivia" like Jet2 (because they have no experience levels!)

And I KNOW they don't have the number of (in fact, nobody does!) "Significant Events" that Jet2 does!

Positively driving out/down the experience...

SR-22: Glad you got a better offer, although not that difficult, don't look back - Jet2 is for "losers and locals"

Sean Dillon
 

Ouch don't hold back say what you mean..............

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Sean,

20 Apprentices is less than 5% of the total - not the biggest dilution in reality is it? And some of them are good - very good! If you don't like it, just leave. Or did you fail BA selection?

I respect them for the apprentice system! Giving the newbies a chance to learn the industry and get flying. Much better than just profiteering from the rich kids like most scummy locos, the Orange one included!

May even produce a pilot that can understand the Atc slot system!

It was a harsh post I know, but I stand by it, it's a very odd place, although not unsurprising the more you learn and understand about the gentleman at the top, who is still in-control, despite any rumours of having a "back-bench"! Most of the issues unnecessary and it WILL have to change - good, experienced pilots come...and then go, leaving...well...don't want to upset anyone else!

Interesting assumptions from those within like Station_Calling that we are all at this airline because we have "failed" to get out elsewhere! Really doesn't say much about what we all generally think does it?! Something to think about on ASBY eh SC?!

Advert for 757 Captains & FO's has now appeared!

Where has this advert appeared?

Type-rated only, or NTR invited?

Is it permanent positions or just contract agency stuff?

What utter rubbish. If this were the case Ezy would be grounded long ago.

As my annual "Jet2/Zenon" email just arrived, sounds like contract or at the VERY best, 70%/50% salary for the first few months and add a 3 year bond if non type rated Big swerve and DELETE!

Ah well, fair enough.

I would need 100% permanent and non-rated.

No go for me.

Thanks for the info.

SD
 

Dunno Sean,

too busy flying and being a loser at the moment it would seem. Not saying it was because you failed to get out, more probably you are in because your last airline failed with you in it. Still, never bite the hand that feeds you and pays your mortgage eh?

J2 has its faults, like every other company under the sun and it needs to improve, but just slagging it off publicly from within isn't going to help is it?

You sound one bitter angry person "Sean Dillon". I've worked at an overseas operator with a far worse reputation on here than Jet2, far worse. It wasn't as bad as pprune would have you believe. It wasn't great and had faults but still, nice people. No matter which, I would never see myself so twisted and angry as to jump on here and call my own colleagues losers for remaining in employment within a company.

We are all just trying to carve out a groove in life, earn and support families and lifestyles that are in the fringe. Jeez. You must have had some bad crap happen to make you so bitter even towards your cohorts. Pick on the the management but don't :mad: on your fellow soldiers.

Sean Dillon. I normally just read in amusment the ongoings on pprune, wondering if its really the same company that I work for that I'm reading about. However your posts show a level of contempt for the company and its staff unusual even for here.

Station Calling did not suggest that we are ALL in this company because we failed to get out, only you. It seems logical that with strength of feeling you clearly have against Jet2 you would have tried to seek employment elsewhere. As it seems all pastures are greener in your eyes, people would be justified in assuming that the pastures turned you down.

As someone happy with my base I can at least sleep easier knowing that I am labelled a local rather than a loser. I'm not quite sure what makes the rest of your colleagues who get the pleasure of your company losers, but I'm obvisouly missing something.

It's when I read posts from the likes of Sean Dillon and Honiley that I realise the first 'P' in the title of this website does not stand for Professional'. :rolleyes:

I was there from the Channex days and stayed for over 10 years. I really liked it - up until my last year or two. The training was really good, the rosters, while they weren't 5/4 stable, gave plenty of variety and the pay was great. Ops, rostering and engineering were all fine and even the management were good.

The big change came when they pushed out RB as DFO and replaced him with TWE, the biggest mistake PM ever made IMHO.

Almost overnight the atmosphere changed for the worse. Treatment of staff, particularly pilots, went downhill fast and the race to the bottom started.

Just the fact that a hell of a lot of ex-Jet2 pilots are now to be found in Ryanair tells you all you need to know!

It's a shame, it used to be a great company to work for. :ugh:

This comment can be reversed. Plenty of FR drivers from both seats are in Jet2 now. I know numerous who wouldn't look back. Horses for courses I suppose. If you can join FR at the base you want and get over the 'contractor' crap then it's fine. Plenty have joined Jet2 to get away from the BRK/STM debacle and the fact that they are or potentially could be based a million miles from home. I can understand the arguments for joining either airline.

Vmike
 

I can understand that ! In all my dealings RB I arrived at the conclusion that he was one of the very best people in the industry.

Never heard anything nice about Jet2 to be honest-full of ex-forces clique apparently who aren't to be trusted even amongst themselves.

Personally I cannot equate to all the negative comments about Jet2. Too many people with axes to grind I think. The Company is not perfect (show me one that is) but there is a genuine effort to improve things and progress. Standards are high (maybe that is some people's problem?) and virtually all the people I meet and fly with are high quality and excellent company from both a personal and professional perspective.
If you don't like it go somewhere else - you spend too long working to be so bitter and twisted!

Mach 79. As an ex forces person, who served my country with a pretty fair degree of dedication and loyalty for 25 years, and now working at Jet2, I would like to know how exactly is it that I am not to be trusted? There are a fair number (still a smallish minority) of ex military pilots within Jet2, but I know of no cliques or funny handshakes, and I certainly have not had any preferential treatment as a result of my background or experience. What makes you - apparently an expert judge of people's moral character - able to pronounce so firmly on people you have no direct knowledge of. It is true that we as a group tend to get on with things and not complain a lot - which is not to say we don't maintain standards or question authority. We are just used to being bu####ed around by professionals in the services, so the many annoyances in civil aviation seem somewhat trivial by comparison.Please remember that hiding behind the anonymity of the internet does not entitle you to spout spiteful garbage. I am sure you don't want to be labelled a troll do you?

The thing is with pilots in Jet2 is they fall into a number of categories:

#Cadets...lots of them! Or have only done Jet2 - Not a problem, but haven't a clue what's good or bad!

#Ex Airforce! Point above totally proved by retro! Haven't a clue what a good airline is!

#First 'Big Jet' - lots of ex BMI Regional who wouldn't have a clue what a quality charter airline is all about!

#Ex Turbo-Prop, first Jet! Most ex Eastern, then to Jet2! Haven't even come close to seeing a good employer yet!

Talk to all those in the crew room who have experienced quality employers/management, all are "it'll do until something else..." Sums up Jet2 to a tee!

So, how many new managers/Directors this week?!?

Sean you do talk out of your arse. You've missed some categories off your list too.

That about sums Jet2 up for me. To the guy on the last page, label me a troll, there are problems with jet2, no doubt about it, but it pays the wages and is good for locality. But, many at the company have had a problem with certain people that can be construed as a clique. I wish it was different but its poisoned in ways.

Yeh, Sean, I'm a Jet2'ie & it suits me. I mean, home every night, paid on time, a package of £95K/yr for <400 hrs/yr ain't too bad a gig after nearly 30 years in the job....

And just for the record, I ain't ex-MIL, ex-Cadet, ex-BMI or any other regional.

I'm me, I've been around & have a little bit of experience & I'm very happy at Jet2, thanks very much

Clique?
 

I'm ex-mil, and enjoying Jet2. However I'm now a bit worried as no one has invited me to join a clique :hmm:

With mates flying for a lot of different airlines I am under no doubt that our package is not as good as some, but way better than others. My experience on the flight deck has been thoroughly enjoyable, and the guys I have flown with have all had great stories to share and been thoroughly professional.

It takes a fair bit for me to raise my head above the parapet on here - but some of the extreme negative views simply do not chime with my experience. I look forward to flying with our new hires and hearing their stories soon.

SCINHead
 

Sssssshhhh

The first rule about the Jet2 Clique, is do not talk about the Jet2 Clique.

What a strange comment to make from Scratchingthesky! But there you have it, a wonderful and damning insight into the childish and 'interesting' culture that is Jet2! Thank you Scratchingthesky...and you're a happy one!

Don't the resignation numbers, on both fleets, speak for themselves so far this winter?!?

Well there's been quite a bit movement in the industry. Not just LS who have people moving on. With a fleet of 50+ there will always be larger numbers moving on.

20+ flight crew resignations in 3 months is certainly not normal or good! That never happened in Leipzig! And no Brits left in that little potential "pool" as DADDY-OH so arrogantly tried to start a discussion about 12 months ago! Interesting what those that made the move think now...

Nice update from "The Plog" - said nothing as usual...wet leases an answer to appalling roster management, that's an interesting business decision!!!!

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 

Any actual confirmed resignations this month though?

50 Shades of Grey(battleship) & Red room of pain
 

There has been a lot of revolving doors this past few months amongst the main 737 operators, the main beneficiaries seem to have been Ryanair who have offered direct employment in your home (where you want to live) base and no Brookfield crap at least for DEC's

The most recent OCC's at FR have had DEC's from NAS/J2

Roster stability or more accurately lack of is the most common complaint about J2 some of the disruption is off the back of aircraft reliability, but most is poor planning, so unless you live close to a J2 base most find commuting very difficult.

How long FR's charm offensive keeps up is anyones guess.

After NAS botched winter crew reductions and forced base changes a few have voted with their feet, mainly to FR, yesterday's reported €100m+ loss at NAS won't help either.

I have already had several Zenon e mails about J2 Summer contract this past 10 days, hmmmm should i consider the red n silver room of pain?? in the end all will screw you

It's really not that bad here and Honiley paints a ludicrously inaccurate picture.

As with most "review" sites, the people that take the time to comment have normally had a "bad" experience and the disproportionate number of poor-rated contributions do not reflect the real picture - PPRUNE seems to be no different (in this respect).

I agree with goaroundnow. The negativity seen on pprune re jet2 is far worse than that that I've experienced on the line. I've worked for another major uk airline so do have a baseline with which to compare jet2 to. While there are issues, notably with rostering, it's generally a nice place to work. Friendly crews, almost always 2 sector days, and about 750 hours per year (a lot less if you're on the 757). The vitriol on here really does surprise me and is just not necessary. We should be wanting all uk airlines to be successful and expanding. I just don't get why people waste all their energy being negative, it's just not worth it - if you don't like something, just ignore it (or in the case of those working for Jet2, apply somewhere better).

There is a High court hearing soon between J2 and Balpa regarding "rostering". If they really are losing a lot of crew and roster patterns/lifestyle are part of the issue, it all seems a bit odd.


Balpa maintain that this is part of Pay, Working Hours, and Holidays scope, and the company should negotiate with it about pilots rosters. J2 disagree and a High court hearing will decide the matter.


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