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P0tt3r 16th Jun 2016 16:05

Sounds like the verbal has changed (maybe now easier).
Think the numerical is the same (but I went through in October).

Numerical-

*If it's 30secs per question and it's taking longer...move on
*you can eliminate some answers with rough maths
*just practice basic, FAST number crunching.

Good luck

B-U-S-S 23rd Jun 2016 03:20

What impact would a Brexit have on employment of non-UK residents?

wiggy 23rd Jun 2016 06:53


What impact would a Brexit have on employment of non-UK residents?
Non-UK residents who are UK nationals: I can't see there being any reason for any change...fortunately most countries allow their own nationals to work within their own borders.

Non-UK nationals, regardless of their country of residency: Nobody knows.

IMVHO and as far as BA is concerned my guess is that if it's "leave", eventually and after negotiations there will be "grandfather rights" for those non-UK nationals already in BA to allow them to remain employed. For new recruits I'd hazard another a guess: based on the demand for employees and the numbers of suitable applicants within the UK and elsewhere BA will try very hard to ensure the UK government issues work permits/visas for those from the EU (and perhaps elsewhere) who want to join BA.

Knowing the way BA work I certainly cannot see them meekly accepting they can only recruit from the UK labour pool..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause

Doug E Style 23rd Jun 2016 07:02

Well let's hope so. There could be severe work coverage issues otherwise...

wiggy 23rd Jun 2016 07:08

Exactly. It's bad enough as it is..................

HeartyMeatballs 23rd Jun 2016 10:51

Well KLM employs almost interest Dutch crews (apart from ex KLMUK crews), Air France recruit almost entirely French people, Iberia entirely Spanish and Alitalia almost entirely Italian. They don't have problems keeping their planes crewed. Neither will BA.

wiggy 23rd Jun 2016 12:30

Oh I agree they could in theory, but I rather suspect BA have a different approach to costs, and are less hindered/less limited by legacy agreements with the likes of professional associations, national educational requirements (e.g concours) and language proficiency than some of the airlines you have mentioned. BA sure as heck will want to continue to recruit from the biggest pool possible, to get what they want at a price they are prepared to pay.

Since you mentioned the Dutch..get rid of them from my Fleet's training department and we would be in severe do do, so I rather suspect regardless of the "in" or "out" the demography at BA isn't going to change any time soon.

In the context of this thread I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a Brits only recruitment policy, we're a heck of a long way from that, if it ever happens.

Cuillin Hills 23rd Jun 2016 14:49

And all credit to BA for their recruitment policy - it is how it should be done.

From first hand experience KLM (and the VNV) do not follow the same rules.

The way that they treated the, generally, British pilots in the takeover of Air UK/KLMuk some years ago was disgraceful.

Compare the KLM takeover of AirUK to the way that British Airways integrated Cityflyer Express at LGW - no comparison.

One more reason to vote out.

wiggy 23rd Jun 2016 16:16

Just to clarify, BA have plenty of trainers of many nationalities, more than a few of them Brits! I just picked the example of the Dutch nationality because I've worked with a couple of them and if a "no EU nationals" working at BA rule came in overnight that would leave the training department on at least one fleet a bit short, but not out, of trainers.. ..as for:


would/could & should they not be english if BA applied the same criteria as other airline mentioned
Not sure I'm on your wavelength and I really don't want to go off at a nasty tangent. Are you asking why BA don't currently give preference to British applicants for training positions?

If so I'd suggest it's because in the UK at the moment that would be very difficult to do easily and pretty much impossible legally. The UK system in general is quite permissive (for example professional organisations such as BALPA have no input into recruiting or selection for promotion/training), we don't really have a competitive national examination system to gate entry specifically into aviation, and we have a language that many europeans are frighteningly good at speaking. I like it the way it is, I think BA is the better for it, I accept others may think differently.

hec7or 23rd Jun 2016 17:34


As Wiggy and others have stated, BA mainline do not accept Direct Entry Commands.
unless they buy an airline, Midland, Dan, BCal, Cambrian, for example.

Stocious 23rd Jun 2016 20:14

Not strictly Direct Entry though are they?

Juan Tugoh 23rd Jun 2016 22:02

Kind of a risky strategy to get a BA command though. First get a command at another company and hope IAG buy them. Further hope they are incorporated into BA. Further hope you pass the BA incorporation training. Still think it's easier to apply and do your time in the RHS myself.

kirungi1 23rd Jun 2016 22:50

VJW, I know of a Brit on 747 with KLM, commuting from the north east :confused:

Tontito 23rd Jun 2016 22:57

VJW, you would never get a job with English level 4 at BA. You need to be fluent in the local language as in Af, KLM, LH,....
The foreigners who get a job in BA are almost bilingual, if you, as a Brit, are bilingual you won't have a problem getting a job in AF, KLM, IB,... It has nothing to do with nationality only with (language) skills, so where is the discrimination?

Exina 24th Jun 2016 07:05

Hold pool update
 
I am currently bobbing along in the holding pool (12 weeks now) for LH. I spoke to them a few days ago regarding a course. They told me at the moment they are having an 'employment review'. This has resulting in the courses being put on hold while they decide on their requirements. Now they are unsure how long this could take, could be a few days, could be a few weeks, it's uncertain. They asked me to call back in another 2 weeks to see if they have an update. Thought I'd just let those fellow bobbers know in case they also had a heart attack when their phone rang with hope of start dates.

JulietSierra6 24th Jun 2016 07:05

Have to admit that as someone in the hold pool today's result does not fill me with confidence. Repeat of previous years perhaps :ugh:

Thanks for the update Exina!

Plastic787 24th Jun 2016 08:01

There's no real indication that brexit is going to affect the employment trend at BA at this point. The recruitment being done today is (as far as I'm aware) based on planned retirements, running the current schedule and the additional long haul hulls, not by expansion driven by the wonderful UK economic performance. If I'm wrong though, maybe those with the self entitlement to apply purely for long haul positions and therefore not taking one of the many available positions on short haul will regret their decision not to be able to join the company at the earliest opportunity.

wiggy 24th Jun 2016 09:03

As Plastic787 has said I don't think today's decision will effect the current round of recruitng.

Down the road it wil be interesting to see how this plays out for IAG as a whole and BA's part in it...

centropy 24th Jun 2016 12:32

I doubt the profit warning issued earlier by IAG is good news for recruitment though:

British Airways owner IAG sounds profit warning within hours of Brexit result

wiggy 24th Jun 2016 16:23

TBH I wouldn't read to much into that warning.

Most of us on the shop floor were aware that last financial year's performance was an outlier and this current financial year profit levels would more than likely return to something more normal.


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