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£52k needs to be put into perspective:

84% of the population of England earn less than 50k
In London, the average income is £27,868
Income in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's about the same pay as a Dentist (7 years of Uni plus 2 years of internship, and the average for ALL dentists, not just those with NO experience, is 53k)
UK average salary is £26,500 but figures reveal huge pay gap between rich and poor - official earnings list - Mirror Online

I was hoping for some advice from chaps already in BA, as I'm really in two minds on applying. I have zero interest in long haul, so what are the prospects for a long term career on BA short haul? How many block/duty hours in a typical month, how many nights away, how many days off per month, or anything else that might be pertinent? Also looking for more detail on winter leave available (my other business interests get too busy in Winter to continue flying full-time). I know there's a lot of info posted here, but it would be great if someone could sum it up.

Of course you don't have to live in Windsor or Kew. There are many areas North and east of LHR where you can get a decent 3 bed semi for 120K or a 4 bed detached for 200K and have a commute of only 70 mins or less.

The call out time on Stby is 120 mins so that gives quite a large radius in which to find somewhere suitable. With the recruitment rate at the moment you won't be on the bottom of the 320 list for long so will be able to bid for tours. This will reduce commutes to 5-6 a month.

I would allow anything from 1 to 2 weeks and sometimes more after submission, as previously posted in this thread.
Your circumstances are manageable and I would rather that half full glass ;)

There is a lot of fixating on the lowest pay point which I don't really understand.

In my opinion looking solely from a monetary point of view, attaining a quick command and potential LTC position in Easyjet etc is going to be lucrative in the short term. My own quick ballpark maths, which may be incorrect, gives me an age of 31 as the point where it is not worth joining BA, from a monetary point of view.

If I were lucky enough to join BA I would certainly lose a considerable amount of cash over the next 10 years, but I should in time catch up. There are plenty of young pilots that don't want to endure the pain for the longer term gain because they do not wish to sacrifice their current cash-flow and lifestyle, a perfectly valid outlook. Each to their own. For me, the decision to apply to BA rests with lifestyle and longterm gain.

Comparing apples with apples I believe KLM and Aer Lingus offer a similar starting salary to BA? I have friends who joined SAS recently who describe living on their pay point one as "challenging". The decision to join these career airlines is not about starting salary, for me at least.

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I for one would love a crack at the selection, I have applied and would very much like to work for them.

Good luck to all applying. :ok:

Good stuff :ok: and good luck Harry.

Out of curiosity, anyone here previously hold-pooled and emailed the recruitment team directly, as advertised, had a response yet?

Does anyone know why last month the minimum hours were dropped to 200 and now they are back to 500?

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How likely is for an expat (albeit with ELP 6) to get a job with BA?

As long as you have the right to live and work in the EU, you can work for BA.

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In a behind closed doors deal which we were informed of lastnight, BALPA and BA have torn up Bidline for Shorthaul.

You will be working to EASA limits from Jan 1st.

In a comprehensive betrayal of its members, the Union has looked after its mates in longhaul, and thrown the rest of us to the dogs.

Pardon my ignorance, but what protections does Bidline provide to crew, over EASA FTLs?

It always was the BA Longhaul Pilots Association.

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....Just come over from this AM's debate on the BA Balpa Forum by any chance?


For completeness this what the BALPA newsletter I got actually said on that subject:

FWIW yes, I feel the deal is pants, most especially given the lack of movement in efficiencies from other areas of the workforce....and yes, I know "we" (as in Long Haul) "will be next".

As an aside beyond the heated rhetoric I really feel the BACC has a serious communications problem......personalities and their position in the scheme of things on the line is definitely getting in the way of any chance of a reasoned debate.

Wiggy I agree, until the current chairman changes, and a less confrontational, my way or the highway character takes over, the BACC will have a problem with it's comms.

Airbus Unplugged - it's not BALPA or BA that have thrown you to the dogs, it's the market. We live in a capitalist system. BA short haul needs a lower cost base to remain competitive, turn a profit and ultimately - survive. This is derived through 'efficiencies'. Bid line is not the most efficient way of rostering your human resources.
It's a cruel world. But don't worry, BA long haul will have to face it's own day of reckoning in the near / medium future. Wait for Norwegian or similar to crack an acceptable cheap transatlantic service and everyone will have to follow.
Everything has changed. It's horrible for all our T and Cs, but there's only one way this is going.
Don't go blaming BALPA or even the company. Our country's / the world's economic model is set up to make this happen. Customers will chose the lowest cost acceptable product they can find - and businesses must provide what is wanted or go under.
Sitting as a BA employee it would be easy to feel slightly immune / protected / outside the cut throat nasty world of cheap low cost no frills airlines. As Morrisons, Sainsbury's and Tesco's have found out - you're not. Aldi and Lidl are coming for you. I'm afraid BA is not Fortnum and Masons or Harrods. At best it's Waitrose - and even they have to have a competitive cost base, comparative pay and staffing.
It would also be easy to think BA just needs a little tweak here and there. Minor adjustments to bid line etc. Willy Walsh knows this isn't the case and that wholesale reform is required. Terrible, but true.
Most BA pilots know that the market and reality is barking at the door. Those close to retirement might just walk out the door and not face the new era. However, for those younger, and those contemplating joining, be in no doubt, the last hiding place from the harsher airline world is going to disappear.
I really wish it was otherwise.

The 'we've all been shafted on SH and you're alright on LH' argument doesn't really help anyone.

Excepting those who are already in the LHS on LH and will, probably, remain in that position the natural 'flow' to LHS LH is through LHS SH.

Therefore, for the majority of pilots in BA who aim for LHS LH they will have to accept the new SH regulations. Ironically these regulations would have become law anyway in 2016. What is coming in is increasing the productivity for the SH crews whilst at work without increasing the number of days at work.

Nothing is ideal, we would all like to go back to the heady days of the 60's and 70's where one or two trips a month was the norm. It isn't going to happen unfortunately.

As far as the communications from BALPA BACC have been, in my opinion, atrocious and the 'we know best we'll feed you the crumbs when we deem fit' approach hasn't helped ease tensions.

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Any news on the recruitment campaign guys? Did they successfully recruit enough airbus rated people for this year and next. The same for the Boeing wide body opening? Is the Non rated recruitment just to fill a small gap in the numbers? Even after all of the above postings I'm still interested. :O