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MikeHoncho 31st Mar 2013 11:49

I applied for it. For me this can be a good opportunity to switch from the military to civilian and gain a type rating and hours in a common type of jet.
PIC in a C17 does not make the airlines line up for you, I noticed :) So I see it as a future investment in a good airline career. Sure the contract is probably not the best and I have to take a pay cut but at least I gain proper experience in the airline industry. This might count for more guys out there flying T-props or at less stable airlines.

SR71 31st Mar 2013 12:07

What everyone who succeeds at the process needs to do is subsequently decline the job in solidarity with their other "successful" colleagues.

And watch yourself all get an instant £10K pay rise as EZY management realise we can actually get together and look after each other.

:ok:

Fair_Weather_Flyer 31st Mar 2013 13:15

It amazes me that so many pilots still firmly believe that by accepting whatever terms and conditions that EasyJet, offer they can fast track their career. This is why the industry is screwed as a place to work. This job seems to be the fast track to nowhere. Pay for a TR, maybe take a pay cut, work as casual labour with no sick pay or other benefits, move base to a very expensive area and sure enough in a few years time you'll be on a full Captains contract with great T's&C's. If not, just use that valuable TR and A320 time to move to one of the many other A320 operators all offering the big bucks.

I can understand 21 year old cadets believing this little fairytale but it is frightening how many ATPL holders believe this too. EasyJet are arrogant enough to believe that they can employ whom they for whatever they want to pay. In reality, they are just likely to recruit the most naive and foolish pilots and that may well prove to be EasyJet's undoing in the long run.

Fair_Weather_Flyer 31st Mar 2013 13:29

.....but what exactly is on offer? On EasyJet's recent record, it is not going to be good.

eiefkei 31st Mar 2013 14:25

On offer is the NEC (New Entrant Contract), basically what has already been offered to all the Flexicrew guys (coming from CTC and Parc) who have achieved at least 2 years flying easyjet planes on the 1st of April 2013.
The NEC differs from the old contract because:
- the loyalty pay has been replaced by a Performance Based Scheme that pays a bonus only if the airline meets the targets that management sets for themselves at the beginning of the financial year (5% on target 10% stretched)
- Fixed roster pattern (5 earlies on 3 days off 5 lates on 4 days off) has been replaced by Random roster for the 100% pay. If you want 5-3-5-4 you will get 90% pay and as far as I've understood (I can well be wrong) you don't get to ask for one or the other, they offer it to you and then later on you may be able to ask for something else.
- Basic contract is on a 75% basis 75% pay, IE 100% in the summer 50% in the winter. Again they offer it to you, you don't get to choose. So far in LGW people have been offered a variety of 100% Random or 90% fixed pattern but on a Full time base, no 75% as far as I know, but again in smaller/other bases this could be different but the STANDARD is 75% if you get 100% FRV is a bonus. (Bear in mind that fixed pattern on a 75% is effectively 90% of it, so 67.5% of the basic salary)

drfaust 31st Mar 2013 14:42

Sod that. They basically removed any reason for rated/experienced guys wanting to join them. Nevertheless I still think it's a good development that they are hiring in this way and are not just taking freshly baked 200 hours lads and lassies from flightschool, because at the end of the day experienced prop drivers need to have some sort of civilized entry into the jets.

Deano777 31st Mar 2013 14:52

I don't think there will be any issues filling the spaces. If they want 200 of these "experienced" drivers then Easyjet could clean up at Flybe overnight even with this contract on offer. Alot of very frustrated Flybe drivers (Q400 & EJet) would be looking to move on at long last. With the threat of redundancy hanging over alot of our heads I think most would be willing to fund a type rating somehow. Let's face it, the Airbus rating is king nowadays and if there's a chance of a permanent contract on the back of it then they'll find the money.

hobnobanyone 31st Mar 2013 17:36

Ok, I'm going to go on a tangent now:

So with regards to the factoring of hours in order to achieve SFO positions. I believe that to get an SFO position that you need somewhere in the region of 2000 factored hours? And is there a minimum basis of operating hours achieved on easyJet aircraft before an SFO position is offered? Equally, is there really any advantage in this in terms of pay/T&Cs?

I was wondering if somebody would be able to advise the factoring scheme on this?

For example, say I have 3000 hours on heavy turboprops - what does this come out to?

Sorry if this seems a bit of a rapid fire question post!

99jolegg 31st Mar 2013 17:49

Assuming the contract is the same with no changes to the details I have, you'd need 2500 factored hours (multiply yours by 0.7 if you're an FO) and 2 years service to become an SFO.

eJ may accept a few with less service to become SFO in favour of experience but realistically, they don't need to given the demand.

Edit: that factoring assumes multicrew airline turboprop hours. Basic pay rises to £55120 exc sector pay.

JB007 31st Mar 2013 18:48

As well as the turbo-prop chaps, the appeal is also for those who have been forced abroad through job-loss in the last 3 years and would love to come home and appreciate the security offered...some of my ex colleagues from TOM will also be Airbus rated at QR and bond free...and all very experienced...

Until you've juggled a travelling life/taken family's to live in Doha, quite frankly, the so called gamble of 2 years Flexi is just insignificant and gives an appreciation of what matters in life...

Big picture stuff, between MON & EZY, (Jet2 doesn't count until they start to take pilots seriously!) this is just good news for all UK pilots...bring it on!

SpGo 31st Mar 2013 18:52

According a company Q&A the new entrant conditions for SFO (>2500 factored hours) are:
"Including basic pay and sector pay (based on 322 nominal sectors) the gross earnings would be approximately £46,884 plus a further £2,894 pension contribution from the third month onwards "

99jolegg 31st Mar 2013 19:38

SpGO quotes the adjusted figure for a 75% contract inc sector pay.

£55,120 is basic 100% FRV salary.
90% of that if you're offered 5354 fixed pattern
75% of that if you're given part time (full time summer, part time winter)

SD. 31st Mar 2013 19:45

That sounds much more reasonable for anyone joining with more than 2500 factored hours.

Do you know if the other nice things like the share save scheme would be available after the third month?

hardcase 31st Mar 2013 20:00

Hi 99jolegg, what do use to factor for heavy TP Captain Hours when factoring for SFO?? is it 0.8??
:ok:

silverknapper 31st Mar 2013 20:03

I may be missing the point but why should 5/3/5/4 on a full time roster attract a 10% pay cut.

SpGo 31st Mar 2013 20:39

Because 5-3/5-4 offers less flexibility.
The only contract which is on offer at the moment is the 75% one.
If you join next year you will have 300ish 75-ers waiting for a 90 or 100% in front of you.
I wouldn't count on more than the quoted figure for the first 3-4 years.

99jolegg 1st Apr 2013 07:41

SD,

Remember that's an SFO position that you will more than likely be required to have 2 years service for. That's the deal for flexicrew going on to this deal.

As SpGO says, it'll more than likely be 75% contracts. eJ have been offering 100% so far to ex-flexicrew as far as I'm aware but will likely change in the coming months once they fill their quota.

hardcase,

0.8 if it's for an airline or 0.7 if it's not.

Shamrock 75 10th Apr 2013 18:59

I've heard from a good source, easyjet have received over 2500 applicants for 200 positions.

Good luck to all involved :ok:

RHINO 11th Apr 2013 10:18

Yes and I have heard it from a source that the people they are going to recruit are not those where English is their mother tongue......

Breakthesilence 11th Apr 2013 10:28

I'm sorry guys, maybe I missed it, but how's the Type Rating paid by the applicant? Is it in form of bond or direct bank transfer? :ugh:

WX Man 11th Apr 2013 15:43


Yes and I have heard it from a source that the people they are going to recruit are not those where English is their mother tongue......
@Rhino, could you give us a bit more info? Where did this info originate? Any ideas which nationality will be preferred?

RHINO 11th Apr 2013 20:02

It is simple WX man,

BALPA wrote a nice and quite reasonable letter on behalf of their members but the board are just not interested, in fact they have decided they quite like the Ryanair model ergo lets recruit some nice desperate Europeans.

Ryanair....stab you in the front.....easyJet.....stab you in the back....

PT6A 12th Apr 2013 00:00

easyJet's plan is for the vast majority of the pilot vacancies to be filled by rated pilots with in excess of 1000 hours on type, then there will continue to be CTC cadets, PARC and now a small number of none type rated ex military and a few none type rated ex civilian guys.

*Source internal news letter (Jan 2013)

Artic Monkey 12th Apr 2013 08:19

So if that's the case why did they even bother advertising for non type rated? What a waste of everybody's time. :ugh:

PT6A 12th Apr 2013 08:50

Why? Market research.... Don't know if it will change anything at all but the new CP is from Qatar, see if has any ideas of his own?

However, it is BT that seems to have the say on where the pilots come from.

EMB-145LR 15th Apr 2013 12:27

Does anyone know when calls will start going out?

Boeing 77W 15th Apr 2013 14:14

Been told the call/email will be within a month of the application being submitted.

airbus_driver319 15th Apr 2013 14:33

Interviews are going to be conducted for rated guys first (they are considering rated as meaning TR 1000+ on type) once they have worked through that they are looking at ex mil / non rated civilian.

G-IZMO 15th Apr 2013 17:57

Within a month of submitting your application or a month of the closing date for applications? True, the confirmation e-mail received said a month, but perhaps the lucky people trawling the applications will take 4 weeks from the 10th before shortlisting.

Superpilot 18th Apr 2013 15:52

Anyone else got an invite to do some online assessments?

EMB-145LR 18th Apr 2013 16:23

Nothing here yet. Mine still just says 'Application Received'. Then again, I'm in the non type rated category, so I'm sure it will take a while to filter down to unrated pilots.

Immelmann1979 18th Apr 2013 16:27

Nothing yet... I'd reckon it will take some time. Is it common for them to have online assessments?

Direct DIKRO 18th Apr 2013 16:37

Super pilot,

Congratulations on your successful progression through the process!

May I ask, are you already Airbus rated?

Just checked my status, like the previous posters, it states application received.

I am one of the very many non Airbus rated applicants.

airbus_driver319 18th Apr 2013 16:44

Looking at SuperPilot's profile his is indeed an A320 First Officer. This would match up with what the company have said internally they are looking for.

Superpilot 18th Apr 2013 16:48

Yes, I'm rated but totally unprepared for such tests which appear to be typical flight school entry type tests. As I've lost hope in this industry of late, I need a bit of practice and motivation before I'm going to attempt them. :\

MikeHoncho 18th Apr 2013 18:42

No news here. 2300 TT and 1200 PIC on the C17

Is it still possible to view your application on the Easyjet website?

eaglesnest1972 18th Apr 2013 18:58

Got invited too.
Deadline is 7th may.
No idea what is this about.
looks like its a new kind of test.
Could it be something similar to compass?
Rated on the 320.
Would be nice to hear something from a current easy driver.
Good luck to all.

Direct DIKRO 18th Apr 2013 19:41

Is the link to CTC?

I wonder if they're getting them to do it and will send the unrated candidates through CTC?

Any ideas how much CTC are charging for an easy Airbus rating?


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